Honeywell fined US$13 million for
sharing military specs with China
South China Morning Post,
by
Catherine Wong
Original Article
Posted By: happywarrior,
5/5/2021 6:38:07 PM
US defence contractor Honeywell has been fined US$13 million for harming national security after sharing technical information about American fighter jets and other military aircraft with China and other countries. The US State Department said on Monday it had reached a settlement with the company on 34 charges relating to 71 drawings it shared with Beijing, Taiwan
, Canada and Ireland between 2011 and 2015.
The documents included the specifications of parts for the F-35 joint strike fighter, B-1B Lancer long-range strategic bomber
and F-22 fighter aircraft, as well as gas turbine engines and other military electronics.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
curious1 5/5/2021 6:49:42 PM (No. 776418)
Honeywell is a company. It didn't do it. A human did. Who are they and when are they going to prison or a gallows? Must be a big democrat donor for them to gloss over it this way.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Ribicon 5/5/2021 6:49:54 PM (No. 776419)
It was OK when Bernard Schwartz of Loral taught China how to aim its missiles at us, so why is this a problem? After all, it boosts commerce and drives the need for even newer generations of weapons that we'd not otherwise need. FTA: “Since Honeywell voluntarily self-reported these disclosures, we have taken several actions to ensure there are no repeat incidents,” the State Department said. “These actions included enhancing export security, investing in additional compliance personnel and increasing compliance training.” It's pointless to ask whose side they're on; they don't even pretend.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Zeek Wolfe 5/5/2021 6:53:58 PM (No. 776420)
It would be nice to know when action will be taken against the Clintons. They sold military secrets to the Chinese early in his presidency. This caused concern but no uproar in the MSM because the media always supports Democrats. You think this fantasy? Review, if you will, the kind words in the MSM about the Rosenbergs and Alger Hiss, after the fact. Honeywell got into trouble because the company didn't bribe the right people.
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Under the Obama administration.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
DARling 5/5/2021 6:58:33 PM (No. 776425)
Got treason? What is this fine nonsense?
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
SALady 5/5/2021 6:59:30 PM (No. 776426)
Why are we not hanging the individuals that did this?
And I do mean hang them in the public square for treason!!!!!!
$13,000,000 is pocket change to Honeywell!!! They are laughing at our incompetent government like everyone else has since January!!!!!
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
bighambone 5/5/2021 7:19:50 PM (No. 776439)
Where did Honeywell get the thirteen million dollars that they are now going to use to pay the fine? Guess, from the US Government of course who got that money by taxing Americans. The fact is some people employed by Honeywell violated the law by handing over classified information to unauthorized foreign countries and those people are the individuals who should have to pay the consequences for their unlawful actions.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
skacmar 5/5/2021 7:25:05 PM (No. 776443)
Only $13,000,000.00? How much did the government pay Honeywell? How much did the foreign countries pay Honeywell? How abut loss of contracts and NO MORE GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS! Why continue to deal with the people who gave away your secret stuff? Only government!
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
weejun 5/5/2021 7:36:59 PM (No. 776451)
Not so fast, #6. Most likely, Honeywell's actions have fallen under ITAR compliance, the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, which, quite frankly, are a minefield for companies to understand and negotiate. Typical of the US Government, they are both vague and non-specific in many cases. First, there are ITAR categories, and companies must understand if their products fall into specific categories (i.e., munitions, optics, chemicals, training equipment, electronics, etc.). Depending on the category, an ITAR item may be regulated/governed by a different agency than another item (e.g., State Department, Commerce Dept., DoD). A non-sensical example: my company used fiber optic amplifiers/transceivers to conduct electromagnetic pulse testing for the US government. We purchased these from a UK company with no problems. But if one of these broke and had to be sent back to the UK for repairs, it suddenly was classified by the US government as an ITAR item, requiring the full ITAR process, which includes an application to export an item, review by the government ITAR agency, and then a determination on whether or not it could be "sent back" (exported) for repairs. The ITAR reason: because it had been used to test US military equipment )(note that no test data would have been contained in the test equipment when shipped back for repair). Because the fines are stout for ITAR violations, many tech/manufacturing companies hire people who do nothing but work ITAR issues. Even then, a company can screw up, and the best recourse/least expensive thing to do is "confess" to the government before they some how discover your screwup (it is analogous to the IRS: you can ask three different IRS agents a tax question and get a different answer, but if you do what they say and is wrong, guess who pays?). I am guessing that Honeywell found this mistake via its own internal processes and has wisely decided to bring it to the government's attention in order to minimize the fine (imagine what it would have been had the government found it, with possible criminal charges filed in addition). BTW, this same scenario has befallen many a US company over the years, and one can argue it is often due to the vagueness and sometimes not "sensible" ITAR rules.
Hope this helps a little in understanding what might be going on here.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
GoodDeal 5/5/2021 7:37:51 PM (No. 776452)
Not to worry I’m sure China will reimburse them for the cost. Xiden and Hunter will make sure they get covered.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
DVC 5/5/2021 7:46:19 PM (No. 776456)
Unbelievably incompetent.
I worked for a major weapons system manager on classified systems for a long time, and I cannot imagine ever being even SLIGHTLY confused about what information was classified and what was not.
And some information is specifically classified NOFORN....because no foreign person may access it, ever.
I hope some people have been terminated.
I grimly note that the reporter is Catherine Wong, in a Chinese newspaper in Hong Kong, now ruled by the ChiComs.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
24tea@Mag 5/5/2021 10:02:26 PM (No. 776532)
Not nearly enough for such treachery! Anyone loose their job or go to prison?
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
sanspeur 5/5/2021 10:08:11 PM (No. 776537)
well nothing happened to the pantsuited uranium salesperson . what difference dies it make ?
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
bobn.t 5/5/2021 10:46:25 PM (No. 776562)
How about prosecution and jail time.
Oh, never mind.
What difference does it make?
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
DVC 5/6/2021 1:01:52 AM (No. 776641)
#9, I did business in the former soviet states for a decade. Believe me, I know ITAR. And I had an ITAR specialist who I made sure double checked everything I sent to those countries to make sure we didn't go awry. Complex, detailed categories of goods that may not be transferred.
I was supporting some very advanced tech stuff, so it sometimes was very frustrating. Often we had to purchase equipment in Europe and ship to our partners because we couldn't ship identical American made products. A lot of it made absolutely no sense. Why worry about shipping an American item when there are three or four companies in Europe making technologically identical (just more expensive and money being spent in Europe rather than in the USA) machines or parts? we unfortunately had to purchase some lab equipment new in Europe that I could have gotten used for free from the US partner....but not possible because of ITAR.
"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you".....run, screaming.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Trigger2 5/6/2021 2:17:11 AM (No. 776681)
The Biden commie party only fined Honeywell $13M? They should have put them out of business.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
DVC 5/6/2021 4:08:51 PM (No. 777299)
#16, because they 'self reported' these errors, the blowback is far less than if it had been covered up and discovered another way. Shows that it was inadvertent.
If it was ITAR violation.....easy to do if you aren't well trained. I see ITAR training in Honeywell employee's futures.
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