Reply 1 - Posted by:
stablemoney 1/17/2021 12:18:35 AM (No. 663621)
Newt is in Italy and has no feel for what is going on. The establishment Republicans have betrayed the people. The Republicans do not hold the Democrats accountable, so there is no one to do it. I will never support McConnell or Liz Cheney or McCarthy. They stuck a knife in the back of Trump, so they deserve the same.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
panther361 1/17/2021 12:26:45 AM (No. 663625)
One thing in life I would very much like to see people learn is not to panic and go off in unfounded directions. Especially now when thought and regrouping are things we need. Assess what has been learned and apply it accordingly. In simple terms, get your shinola together and come back.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
DVC 1/17/2021 12:52:48 AM (No. 663631)
No civil war. I am done with Republicans.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Venturer 1/17/2021 12:56:13 AM (No. 663633)
Can't wait to change to being an Independent.
If Trump forms a new party, Count me in.
I hate to say it Newt, but i have had these Republicans like Mitt Romney. Collins. Liz Cheney .right up to my ears.
I really don't care if the Democrat take the Congress in 2022 as long as it gets rid of these back stabbing butt heads.
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When the security guard comes to your desk and hands you a cardboard box, that isn't a "civil war." When stockholders vote out underperforming directors, that isn't a" civil war." When members of a political party refuse to renominate incumbents who no longer reflect their values, that isn't a "civil war "either.
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a gop civil war? hardly. Not worth the time and effort to try to fix that broken, faded and rusted toy,
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
judy 1/17/2021 1:29:57 AM (No. 663653)
It may be what Newt says but I no longer trust McConnell & McCarthy. The republicans allowed the one sided Mueller investigation to go on for years when their no reason to investigate.
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I find Newt is usually one of the more sensible and pragmatic thinkers in DC, but I think he is off base on this.
He’s right that there won’t be a civil war. However, that is because the Republican Party is now a zombie. It would be interesting to see how many Republicans have changed their voter affiliation to independent in the last 2 weeks. The time is ripe for the birth of a new party, if we could find viable candidates. The Republicans are going to be a minority party for a long time going forward.
By ensuring our votes don’t count, there’ll be a lot of disgusted folks staying home and not voting.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Captleemo 1/17/2021 4:43:41 AM (No. 663675)
Before the 2022 midterms we will hear from the pundits that this coming election is the most important in our lives and that we must return the republicans to the majority or its all over. We hear that lie over and over and over again. Winning and then holding on to power is just not in the republican parties DNA. There were enough never Trumper republicans who hated Trump so much that they were willing to bring about the downfall of America rather than see him reelected. They got their wish and I seriously wonder if America can survive what will be the continuation of Obama's goal of bringing America to its knees.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
DCGIRL 1/17/2021 4:54:52 AM (No. 663678)
#9, you are right on. Every election we hear how this is the one that will break the nation. Well, it does not work anymore. The republican party let us down and I know that many in PA said that will not vote and watch the republican party die. I'm waiting too President Trump to start a new political party and I will follow.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Califedup 1/17/2021 5:50:45 AM (No. 663686)
What Planet has Newt migrated too? Saturn? Mars?
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
OBX Pete 1/17/2021 6:15:04 AM (No. 663703)
If Trump couldn't win against all the voter fraud in 2020 why would anyone think that he could win with a third party in 2024 against the two existing parties AND voter fraud? The dims got away with it so why wouldn't they get away with it in 2024?
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
former lurker 1/17/2021 6:29:03 AM (No. 663717)
The easiest way to replace the Republican Party is to follow the progressive/Marxist roadmap which they used to create their party. They took over an existing party. There effort took them a while, from the 1960’s to the election of Obama in 2008. We have the plan, we have 75 million supporters, if we flood all the polling places in the US with serious monitors who will not be intimated or thrown out, we might be able to achieve victory in one or two election cycles. The Republican Party is the vessel we need to create a Constitutional Party.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
idahoskook 1/17/2021 6:39:18 AM (No. 663723)
I’m not and never will be a Republican. If we don’t take this opportunity to form a new political party at this moment in time, we don’t deserve to keep our Republic. Both parties are corrupt to the core. You cannot reform the Republican Party. If you haven’t learned after this, you are never going to learn. Go ahead, keep watching Fox News and keep voting Republican, but you will be doing it without me and many other MAGA Patriots.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
F15 Gork 1/17/2021 6:57:42 AM (No. 663732)
“Will not happen?”.....pretty sure Bull Run 3 is already in the rear view mirror.....
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Bur Oak 1/17/2021 7:33:13 AM (No. 663748)
We should all work at the local and state levels to strengthen election laws to reduce voting fraud. Without honest elections it matters little what party one belongs to.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Timber Queen 1/17/2021 8:07:39 AM (No. 663771)
A civil war within the Republican Party assumes that conservative voters think its worth fighting to keep the GOP alive, and that's just not the case. If we take the example of a failed marriage; Republican voters are the equivalent of the husband that goes out for a pack of cigarettes. There's nothing at "home" to go back to.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Yuban 1/17/2021 8:12:32 AM (No. 663774)
There was a time the Republican Party was the lesser of two evils. That time has passed. If Conservatives want my vote they best get rid of the R after their name.
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Never-Trumpers are entitled establishment power brokers, who are livid that their power and influence have been lessened by the Trump movement. Newt is one of those who has been diminished.
Because these people are in this group-think bubble, they really don't know they have lost their base and lost their party. They continue to use the same old tried and true techniques to manipulate their deplorable patriots. If Romney, McConnell, Collins, Sasse, Murkowski, and Toomey stay entrenched, we have no voice and no party. Have them push for term limits and/or retire, and then we might vote republican again!
I have decided I will even vote for a democrat to beat out my senator Bill Cassidy and my representative Garrett Graves, because an entrenched republican is just as dangerous.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
thelmalou 1/17/2021 8:59:41 AM (No. 663814)
Newtie is correct. There will be no civil war in the GOPe... we're just leaving. They can do what they want. The rest of us real conservatives will figure out what to do as we go along.
"Oh," you say, "but you must remain with the GOPe so we can be unified against the Democrats and have more power and make a comeback." NO. Wait, that's not right...my answer is HELL, NO. I'm 60. My entire lifetime we have supported the GOPe with money, with volunteering, whatever. We held our noses and voted for stupid characters like Kelly Loeffler time and time and time again. DECADES we have done this. Then finally, we get a President whom the GOPe didn't want but whom we did, and who governed more conservatively and got more done than anybody ever imagined he would. And the GOPe supported him...sulkily, and with words, but no actions save a tweet here or there from Ronna McDaniel. So. We. Are. Done.
"You can't just leave!" you cry. "You need us to make your vote count...you'll be throwing it away if you don't stick with us!" Oh, yeah? We had the best President of our lifetimes headed for a slam frickin' dunk of a re-election, and not only didn't he win, but we continued the loss of the House and then lost the Senate. So to sum up, Democrats have control of the Presidency (with the specter of Kamala Harris lurking as VP) and both Houses of Congress, and with John Roberts, possibly SCOTUS.
This is the worst possible time for this to occur. If we ever have free and fair elections again in the US, which I *highly* doubt, I will vote for the most conservative candidate or not vote. If that person is a Republican, fine. But no longer will I have anything to do with the GOPe, in any way. I am done. Any psychologist will tell you that when you have a relationship of a giver and a taker, when the giver has given and given and given and given and given so much that he/she finally snaps and walks out, there is no reconciling. That person is DONE. That person now is me. My bags are packed, I've removed the few pieces of furniture that were dear to me, and the taxi is waiting. In the words of the old Lorrie Morgan sing - if you think I won't go, just watch me.
I wish y'all remaining GOPe'ers all the best. Not totally, because I can't wish best wishes to your candidates like Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney. But as much as I can, I do. Goodbye.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Sanchin 1/17/2021 9:01:37 AM (No. 663816)
Nope, no civil war within the GOP will occur, and as the above comments clearly illustrate quite a few dependable supporters of the GOP will not be giving their money and vote to GOP candidates in future elections. Also, as long as Dominion is allowed to have their contracts and machines in place and vote by mail is permitted, no future election anywhere will be credible. This election may have seen 74 million people vote for Trump but that does not mean all 74 million will support a 3rd party started by Trump or someone who espouses his ideas. It simply means the GOP no longer has any relevance in the near or medium-term (I suspect long term as well).
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
TCloud 1/17/2021 9:02:29 AM (No. 663818)
Go ahead GOP, win back my VOTE!
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
chumley 1/17/2021 9:23:18 AM (No. 663838)
I changed my affiliation to independent during the Romney campaign, and haven't changed it back since. They have done nothing to earn my support back. My US rep, a supposed Republican, just sent out an e-mail saying Trump was responsible for the Capitol fiasco and probably committed an impeachable offense. I sent him back a nastygram for whatever good it might do. I may vote for the democrat next time he runs.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
Kitty Myers 1/17/2021 9:29:27 AM (No. 663846)
Let's be honest; there's nothing we can do in the short term. So we should sit back, keep quiet, and watch the Left's civil war.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Strike3 1/17/2021 9:38:08 AM (No. 663849)
Newt is obviously out of touch. The Republican party is nearly dead now and just needs somebody to blow it over. We the voters have been unhappy with them since they took up the habit of Obama-worship and their abandonment of President Trump just struck the killing blow. Honest elections or not, they are finished.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
FormerDem 1/17/2021 9:38:33 AM (No. 663850)
I was playing with the idea of a new party but now I realize that ousting Pelosi in 2022 depends on unity, and the threat of ousting Pelosi is what our livelihoods depend on in the meantime.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
dallasobg 1/17/2021 10:16:11 AM (No. 663887)
I agree with the poster who said we should not start a new party but take over the one we have. We need to organize like we did earlier with the Tea Party and elect our own as Republicans. Eliminate the GOPe and replace with GOPmaga. And first things first. Support ouster of Newsome as California governor. Replace Pelosi as speaker. Then work for local, state, and federal change within the GOPe. It will be hard sometimes to identify who these people are because they lie to get our votes. We need to open our eyes and know who we are voting for. Don't just listen but look at the record. If the person has no political history, look at the person. We need to know the judges, commissioners, and legislators we are voting for. Make sure the right people are running for office. Don't just vote R. Easier said than done but I am willing to try as hard as I can.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
little guy 1/17/2021 10:29:49 AM (No. 663905)
In "Revelations" (3:16), a Man much greater than I said it well:
"So, because you are lukewarm ---neither hot nor cold --- I am about to spit you out of My mouth.”
This is how I feel about the Republican party now. I get the concept of "the big tent" and all that but too many clowns are now running the circus!
I have to break bread with Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Lisa M., and now Mitch!? No thanks.
Not a dime for the RNC from me anymore. I've walked out just like Rhett did ... and frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
zephyrgirl 1/17/2021 10:34:30 AM (No. 663913)
There won't be a civil war because Trump supporters will leave and the GOPe will retain control of a greatly-diminished, permanent-minority party.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
MDConservative 1/17/2021 10:38:09 AM (No. 663916)
Keep whistling past that graveyard, Newtie. The GOP will be torn asunder, deservedly so. This is 1964 again, and you should know better.
Does the GOP honor its promise of smaller, less expensive government taking less tax and promulgating fewer regulations to expand the prosperity of Americans? Or does it pass multi-trillion dollar stimulus packages it cannot begin to pay with real money, damn the consequences?
Does the exposure of the UNIPARTY/GOPe, led by our heroes Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy, matter? The grassroots Republicans are seeing the GOP for what it has become, a partner of the Democrats engaged in a giant kabuki fraud to bilk Americans and spread it around, after lots of "Big Guys" take their vigorish. I think you're relying on the "fool the people" game too much, too often.
If the Republican party offers really no more than the McCain/Romney/Graham world view, what's its point, its raison d'être? Today's Republican party is little more than a foot dragging ally to the liberal Democrats in terms of social issues. It doesn't even paint in pastels these days.
If the Republicans win a majority in two years it will only be because the public fears the future, wanting to put a foot on the brakes to slow it down. Liberals are like rust, they never sleep. Republicans are like paint applied over rust. It doesn't take long before the paint flakes off and the rust emerges having spread further.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
bigfatslob 1/17/2021 11:04:33 AM (No. 663949)
Make the Republicans insignificant by leaving them. I'm not a Republican any longer but one thing is for certain I'm waiting for a new party, just say when. In the next voting cycle the remaining (r)epublicans will find out how all the voters abandon them and they will lose to the democrats or a new party. Civil war? There will be none I wouldn't fight to save any part of the republicans. The democrats and republicans are a Uniparty like two gangs with different turf and gang tattoos. The time is right for President Trump to start a new party of patriot constitutionalist. It's in front of our eyes the republicans will find out what it's like to stab 75+ million voters in the back. First we have to rid the nation of those Dominion voting machines and no paper ballots outlaw them both or there will never be another legal election.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
MickTurn 1/17/2021 11:11:05 AM (No. 663959)
Newt, you know this BS is right out of the Communist Manifesto...they have to blame everything on someone else...
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
Speedy2 1/17/2021 11:16:23 AM (No. 663971)
I will get aboard a Trump Party. Republicans don't perform.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
Kate318 1/17/2021 11:18:46 AM (No. 663976)
Talk of no third party is like talk of electing Republicans who “reach across the aisle.” It may have once been a viable strategy, but that was decades ago. The current state of elections in this country will never allow any Republican to win, so attempts to “rebuild” the party are pointless. No, the Uniparty has us exactly where they want us, and they don’t intend to let that change, ever again. But, freedom is in the DNA of all humans, and like all tyrannical regimes, this one will eventually fall. We just don’t know when. It might not be in my lifetime. In the meantime, we do what we do best: go into the socio-political catacombs. Stay under the radar, organize, patiently grow our numbers, and do night raids. Heck, we might as well have some fun before we’re carted off to the re-education camps.
To my thinking, a third party isn’t about winning—although with Trump at the head, you just never know—but rather having a deliberate hand in whatever was going to happen in the election, anyway. If Republicans lose, so be it. They will never again be able to court my vote with promises of conservatism and then stab me in the back as soon as they get to Whorehouse, DC.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
ArizonaGal 1/17/2021 11:19:39 AM (No. 663977)
Number 27 is right. First, we have to win elections at the state levels and get rid of dominion voting machines, purge voter rolls, prohibit unsolicited ballot mailings and solicitations, require signature verification, etc. We'll NEVER win another presidential election until we fight those battles.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
Zigrid 1/17/2021 11:21:30 AM (No. 663983)
Yeah... yeah...it's all about a narrative for the media... remember the media said gleefully... after President Nixon there will be no Republican Party... yeah yeah...I have crawled over broken glass many times to vote for a republican candidate...it was always a DC candidate... whether democrats or republican... WE know that now... thanks to President Trump...WE know there's a swamp party and it's DC all the way... they take care of their own... it's the inbreeding.... everyone is related to everyone...WE call it a CLOSED shop!!
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
Chuzzles 1/17/2021 11:52:40 AM (No. 664016)
Newt could be in DC right in the middle of this and he still wouldn't have a clue #1. Maybe he should be more worried about why Obama's PM buddy's government is collapsing right now. All those DC elites are so tone deafened when it comes to the anger of the voters right now. Deaf, Dumb and Blinded to reality is not a good look for you Mr. Newt.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
DVC 1/17/2021 12:08:33 PM (No. 664043)
McConnell and a wide swath of other Senators and Congressmen work for the Chinese, or are freelance Communists or just useful idiots.
I don't see any easy way back, if that is even possible any more.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
Kate318 1/17/2021 12:13:21 PM (No. 664046)
Just realized that I should’ve clarified my “night raids” comment in #34. I meant politically speaking, not violence.
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
The Remnants 1/17/2021 12:18:59 PM (No. 664059)
Not a war -- just a desertion.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
Mike6 1/17/2021 1:41:16 PM (No. 664143)
I am not predicting a Republican Civil War.
However, I am predicting that President Biden, Kamala and Queen Hillary will grant voting right to 15 million unwashed illegals.
The Republican Party will vanish like the Whig Party vanished in 1856.
Biden and Queen Hillary will transform our America into a Castro Communist nightmare.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
happywarrior 1/17/2021 2:16:41 PM (No. 664167)
Just the fact that those dolts rehired Ronna McDaniel (Romney's niece as you all know) tells you everything you need to know.
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
NYbob 1/17/2021 2:22:41 PM (No. 664171)
Logically this is just stupid. THIS was the final battle for the Republican Party to do it's job or fail and drag the country down with it. They utterly failed. Now nothing matters. Political parties are meaningless, the Constitution is meaningless and every political position that opposes a globalist/corrupt Capitalism position is meaningless.
Even if battered American citizens wanted to try and gather the shredded Republican remnants together for a 'new,' 'reborn,' republican party, IT WOULD NOT MATTER. The Chinese Communists have won, Newt. You will be lucky to survive the next 5 years and I mean that literally. THEY control the ballot box, the justice system, the financial system and now the government. They have always had the media and the educational system for the last 60 years, now they have it all. Enough republicans knew THIS was the moment, but they didn't have the guts to put their personal careers on the line. They think they will be the last ones they come for. Like most things they are probably wrong about that as well.
Newt is trying to blow up a burst balloon, but even an optimist has to understand what was lost on November 3rd. On Wednesday it will be official. In many ways well deserved. The left's betrayal has been apparent for decades to normal people. Now everyone can see how many from the republican party joined them to destroy the country and make no mistake, the USA is in the process of being destroyed. The damage is far worse than most realize or admit, but it will soon be clear now that the scum has won.
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
Casper27 1/17/2021 3:06:22 PM (No. 664214)
My heart goes out to Rush. And with prayers excessive. I' m not far behind you Rush.
Rush feels he has failed. He was always trying to win the argument. That is not what this is about.
This includes you policy man Newt. Democrats are out to win elections not policy arguments.
Well whoopee Rush you won the argument after 30 years of broadcasting your beliefs and look at
the results. A socialist, communist America with no free speech. Yet, you won an argument. What a joke.
You are a joke Newt, and all you argument winners.
We could have won Rush if you had endorsed conservatives like McDaniel in MS, but no you stayed neutral winning arguments with no endorsements of people.
Well there we are, lost in a field of people like Newt. Still tryting to win arguments, the Democrats control the House, Senate and Presidency with the arugument of socialism and stomping on the grav es of our patriots who who fought for America and the constitution. I spit on this mess.
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
sanspeur 1/17/2021 5:04:26 PM (No. 664330)
and of all people .. the newtster ! he who had the house and played in the bedroom ignoring HIS promises . Defund npr , pbs , kennedy stuff yada yada . glad his wifey is in the vatican poohbah brigade for red francis . Newty was one of the first “blow hards” to talk & talk and do less than nothing . he is interesting , folkloric but ultimately a liar .
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
crull 1/17/2021 6:38:32 PM (No. 664415)
I have been getting texts and emails from the GOP asking for suggestions they never listen too, and for money. I replied that I will donate directly to the candidates of my choice and none to corporate. My choices are those that stood with the President and I am keeping lists of who was and is naughty and nice in case my memory fails me.
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
Newtsche 1/18/2021 5:33:15 PM (No. 665360)
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Any tension within the Republican Party will rapidly be replaced by anger at left-wing Democrats