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It's for Mike Pence to Judge
whether a Presidential Election
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Posted By: helpme, 12/27/2020 10:04:47 AM

On January 6, a joint session of Congress will open with Vice President Pence presiding as president of the Senate. His power will be plenary and unappealable. You heard that right. As president of the Senate, every objection comes directly to him, and he can rule any objection "out of order" or "denied." His task will be to fulfill his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and to ensure that the laws be faithfully executed. This is a high standard of performance, and V.P. Pence will have two choices.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: helpme 12/27/2020 10:06:10 AM (No. 642455)
FTA: "If the votes of all seven contested states are registered as zero, President Trump will have 232 votes, and Joe Biden will have 222. The 12th Amendment says, "[T]he votes shall then be counted[.] ... The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President[.]" In plain language, Donald Trump will be re-elected, since he has a majority of the actual electoral votes. There will be no need to involve the House of Representatives to resolve a contingent election."
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Reply 2 - Posted by: RedWhiteBlue 12/27/2020 10:13:04 AM (No. 642467)
I don't really trust Pence to do the right thing.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Sully 12/27/2020 10:33:29 AM (No. 642484)
Great article. Author is right: if Pense does his duty and declares victory for the rightful winner, President Trump, the worst that can happen has already happened. Of course I trust Pence. Does POTUS look worried about him?
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Reply 4 - Posted by: John C 12/27/2020 10:34:36 AM (No. 642486)
That would be wonderful. Stick it to the supreme court and the democrats at the same time. Probably why Harris hasn't resigned her seat.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna 12/27/2020 10:38:27 AM (No. 642488)
Let justice be done...though the heavens fall. Mikey might just be the literal minded, straight laced, narrow, doctrinaire kind of guy needed here. Can't think of a better road to sainthood for this otherwise boring and monotonous helper. Take your shot, buddy !
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Cindiana 12/27/2020 10:45:32 AM (No. 642497)
One man can change the world. Batter up, VP Pence. We have your back.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: grampus 12/27/2020 10:50:36 AM (No. 642500)
I hope that Pence is bullet-proof, at least for the next couple of weeks.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: bpl40 12/27/2020 10:54:23 AM (No. 642508)
There have apparently been two cases in front of the SCOTUS where there were invalid state votes involved. In one case the court ruled that the Electoral College number stays unchanged (or whatever the number was before Alaska and Hawaii) , if neither candidate gets the requisite number the election goes to the House. In one case they reduced the number to valid votes and the winner was the bigger tally. Either way Trump looks golden.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: BillW. 12/27/2020 11:07:21 AM (No. 642515)
From "So Simple," an email sent by a friend Christmas Morning. This is the factual summary and process going forward from Jenna Ellis, President Trump Attorney: Electoral college votes will be sealed and sent by special carrier to Washington, DC where they will remain sealed until January 6th when the U.S. House and Senate will come into a joint session to open the votes. The media is going to make you believe it's all over and Joe Biden is now officially president... On January 6th, Nancy Pelosi will sit down with House members as she has no special power or authority over the hearing... Vice President Mike Pence will have all the authority as president of the Senate for that day and will accept or reject motions to decide the next steps to be taken by the assembly. Remember... Mike Pence is in full authority that day as written in the Constitution. The ballots will be certified today December 14th, but that means nothing... On January 6th, the votes will be opened and at that point, one House member could, and most likely will, raise their hand to object to the Vice President on the state of elector's votes. That objection could cover fraud or any other reason, and with the seconding of that objection, everything changes. Everything. The House and Senate will divide for two hours (at least) to debate, then vote. The vote will be per Senator with Vice President Pence being the deciding vote if needed in the Senate, while the vote in the House will only be ONE vote per delegation, per state, not per House member. The Republicans have 30 delegation votes compared to the Democrats with 20 delegation votes. If this scenario runs true, President Trump gets re-elected. ”
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Reply 10 - Posted by: MDConservative 12/27/2020 11:13:23 AM (No. 642523)
Mike Pence won’t do anything like this. He has a political future. SCOTUS would be all over this, hang any jurisdictional arguments. The UNIPARTY won this election “fair and square.” It will not be denied.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Daisymay 12/27/2020 11:25:33 AM (No. 642533)
I would rather put my fate in the Hands of VP Pence, any day of the week, over The Back Stabbing Senate or House! Pence is a God Fearing man. He will do what is right! The Senators and members of Congress will stab Trump in the Back because that's what they've been doing through this whole Election Debacle!
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Urgent Fury 12/27/2020 11:32:01 AM (No. 642539)
This seems way too easy.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: davew 12/27/2020 11:32:20 AM (No. 642540)
The history of this process is pretty "pro-forma". The VP opens all the messages that were transmitted to him and they are read by a clerk. The members of the joint session are then allowed to object. The real issue with the certifications is that they are based on documented acts of fraud and supported by voting machines that were designed and have been used to distribute votes algorithmically in violation of the one-person, one-vote principle. Any votes tabulated by these systems must be rejected as uncertifiable given their corrupt intentional design. For any SoS to assert that their vote tallies are true and accurate is an unsupportable deception based on willful ignorance and malfeasance of office. My suspicion is that the people who cooked up this color revolution knew full well that neither the Congress or the SCOTUS had the technical expertise or the political stomach to reach the logical conclusion required. The scale of the steal is so comprehensive and the collusion of thousands of Trump hating bureaucrats who were entrusted with running a fair election is so deep that the public's eyes just glaze over at the irrefutable evidence before them. The best lies are the big lies and this election is the biggest lie in American history.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: volksford 12/27/2020 11:35:20 AM (No. 642543)
Damn right Pence should not certify these fraud ridden swing states ! Texas,Florida and New York manage to conduct their elections in the proper manner. The citizens of the fraud states have no one to blame but their Legislatures who should have done their constitutional duty to begin with.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: BarryNo 12/27/2020 11:36:39 AM (No. 642549)
I hope Pence is up to the Task. I hope ALL of his loved ones are protected like the President, himself! The Democrats will stop at nothing. On that note: How sure are we that our nuclear weapons are under lock and key? The people behind the Dems would certainly be wiling to annihilate every lapdog Dem if they could kill Trump and Pence. And are we sure these idiot Libtards didn't help the Chinese to sneak one over the border? This is the beginning of the End, if we don't get this right! Want to see a Post-Apocalyptic World? The chances are its coming, because if we go down, we are taking the bad guys with us.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: franq 12/27/2020 11:41:25 AM (No. 642556)
Not inspiring, if this is true. I don't know if it is. https://www.johndenugent.com/pence-created-own-vp-club-with-trump-enemies-biden-and-cheney-men-he-met-and-spoke-with-frequently-during-election-campaign-on-both-domestic-and-foreign-policies/
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Reply 17 - Posted by: BarryNo 12/27/2020 12:04:45 PM (No. 642578)
Uhhh... MDConservative... right, sure. Anyway, this action, taken in Congress is not like some law that can be debated. They will be following rules set down in the Constitution, itself. They won't even be hashing out "Penumbras' or whatever pap the SCOTUS uses when illegally "making" law. You can scream all you want. But this decision, will stand. The ONLY recourse, will be revolution, if one side or the other objects. Its the reason Nixon caved in 1960. But if Pence is smart, he'll know he has no future with the swamp, anyway, and no future with AMERICA if he fails to follow the Constitution. The left is already lawless. The right has only been holding off while there is a chance the Law might be upheld. If this travesty is left to stand, WE ARE !NOT! just going to go home and grumble. We will take our country back by blood ad steel!!
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Reply 18 - Posted by: ROLFNader 12/27/2020 12:05:54 PM (No. 642579)
Agree wholeheartedly with #5 Mike Pence is the president from central casting. Says what he means and means what he says. Always HAS and always WILL!
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino 12/27/2020 12:41:18 PM (No. 642617)
Now that the Gen. Flynn persecution has been resolved - - favorably for Gen. Flynn - - the rabid Flynn-haters on this forum are trolling along to other matters. Now they have another honorable man on their evil radar - - VP Pence. But bad news for the trolls - - Pence will be in - - like Flynn - - for another four years. Suck it up, losers.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: MDConservative 12/27/2020 12:51:07 PM (No. 642629)
OK, #17 - Believe what you will. Pence has kept proper distance from PDT. When has he jumped The Swamp Creatures? He has been the “moderate voice” of this administration. BTW: You must be new here. The protocol is to use post numbers, not user handles in responses.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: TrueBlueWfan 12/27/2020 1:39:20 PM (No. 642665)
I certainly hope this is going to happen this way. If VP Pence fails to do his duty here by throwing out those electors from the contested states, he will truly be a man without a country. The left might like him for about an hour, but will quickly revert to hating him again, while conservatives will have him in their contempt forever, and frankly, he might need to worry.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Strike3 12/27/2020 2:06:25 PM (No. 642691)
I doubt if Joe Biden has as many votes as stated. Odds are that there are other states where democrat cheating put him in the lead other than the contested states. Democrats cheat everywhere, in every election. It's how the party stays alive. Pence is a solid, reliable Christian man who has always supported the President and only spoke well of him. If a man of his caliber fails to do his Constitutional duty then the country is not going to be saved by legal means and it becomes OUR duty to take it back. The Supreme Court failed us big time, I DARE them to open their treasonous mouths over this procedure.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Omen55 12/27/2020 2:41:37 PM (No. 642705)
For Pence to do it would require courage & honor. He's a poly & therefore has neither. Now Pence prove me wrong.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: dst4life 12/27/2020 3:04:02 PM (No. 642720)
LDotters, please do not accuse me of comparing Trump to Jesus Christ. Nobody, nobody, compares to my Lord and savior Jesus Christ. One of my professors in graduate school said, "You are lucky if you have five good friends in your entire life." She was essentially saying that it is hard to find a good friend. You know who your friends are when things become really difficult for you. Only ONE of Jesus's apostles was at the foot of the cross when he was at the most difficult time in his life--being an innocent, righteous man being executed. Trump is facing the most difficult moment in his presidency. And look at how many people are defecting. This is why I don't trust his right hand man Pence to do the right thing. I want to believe otherwise. But it remains to be seen. He may simply be another careerist.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: lakerman1 12/27/2020 3:14:02 PM (No. 642726)
Dr. Noel gave us the neurological dirt on Lady Lucifer in 2016. I wish he would do the same on Dementia Jo.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: NotaBene 12/27/2020 4:19:30 PM (No. 642769)
Nice dream. I will never forget the treason of Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and ACB. President Trump is a giant that stands all alone. We love you, President Trump. And thank you for all the wealth.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: padiva 12/27/2020 7:56:26 PM (No. 642916)
It's a time for constant prayer.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Johnny of Marin 12/27/2020 8:23:33 PM (No. 642933)
Mike Pence has all the earmarks of your typical Gentleman Loser Republican. I hope that I'm wrong, but I don't expect him to go against the strongest flow, that being Globalism.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: Melonpatsy 12/27/2020 8:28:07 PM (No. 642936)
anyone else hear he plans on leaving the country after he opens the votes? I can't recall the source, or if It was credible.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: Ketchuplover 12/27/2020 8:52:46 PM (No. 642953)
VP Pence is a man of God who loves the unborn. He knows that the opposition hates God and loves abortion and perversion. He knows that if he allows this corrupt election to boost an evil lying greedy power-hungry baby hater pervert to the highest office in the land, when he has an opportunity to stand up for truth....he will have to answer to the Highest Office of all.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: deerejon 12/27/2020 9:28:53 PM (No. 642972)
Well he might as well cave,Like everybody else is.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: danu 12/27/2020 11:39:12 PM (No. 643029)
*.... the deciding vote if needed* ...the biggest IF since The Ancient World. And just as dangerous.
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