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Here’s why Kyle Rittenhouse, the teen shooting
suspect in Kenosha killings, is likely to get off

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Posted By: Pluperfect, 9/5/2020 4:58:28 AM

This is my conclusion as I emerge, blinking in the light, from the rabbit hole I’ve been down all week of self-defense law, jury-instruction language, charging documents and online, frame-by-frame analysis of the videos of the tragic shootings in Kenosha during street protests on Aug. 25. Rittenhouse, a 17-year-old from Antioch, Illinois, has been charged with first-degree intentional homicide, first-degree reckless homicide, two counts of first-degree recklessly endangering safety, attempted first-degree intentional homicide and possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18, in the shooting deaths of two protesters and the wounding of a third. The homicide charges carry a maximum prison sentence of 65 years.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Right Republican 9/5/2020 6:55:38 AM (No. 531987)
Eric Zorn's tone indicates that he is regretful about it. Let's go far out on a limb and call Kyle Rittenhouse's actions "vigilantism". Still, if so, what makes his actions more illegal and worse morally than those of the violent and sometimes-armed rioters and looters? We live in an upside culture nowadays.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Roy Davis 9/5/2020 7:04:41 AM (No. 531992)
Kyle is a HERO! He went there to help people, he is an EMT. He can be seen in video offering help to anyone who was injured, on EITHER side. He was then attacked, and he acted in self defense. He had brought equipment with him for BOTH possible circumstances, to help the injured, OR to protect himself or others.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Toby Ten Bears 9/5/2020 7:36:20 AM (No. 532006)
Medal of Valor for Kyle!!
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Reply 4 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 9/5/2020 8:10:36 AM (No. 532033)
"it’s legal for civilians to openly carry military-style assault weapons in public spaces" "with a weapon of war slung across his back" Big Lie - it is an assault weapon in appearance only. Assault weapons fire multiple rounds with a single trigger pull. Rittenhouse's weapon does NOT. It is illegal for citizens to have true, military, automatic fire, assault weapons. This is a rabble rousing statement. Wisconsin law ... bans minors from carrying guns. OK, valid point. This would be a Class A misdemeanor and given the intense scrutiny of the case and depending on the judge, could invoke a significant penalty. Big Lie "Did the teen willingly put himself in that fraught milieu and illegally, allegedly, risk a horrific escalation of that danger by carrying a gun on the scene?" If an adult had been on the scene and armed, he would have every right to be there and be armed. In each incident, Rittenhouse was pursued and assaulted. The last person to be shot, affiliated with the rest of the thugs who had attacked him, APPROACHED Rittenhouse with a visible weapon. It is entirely reasonable to assume he was a threat. If the thugs had left Rittenhouse alone, there would have been NO problems at all. The thugs were assembled illegally for illegal purposes. The thugs assaulted Rittenhouse. Other citizens in these riots who were unarmed have been severely beaten by the thugs. Let's be real about WHO caused this, the thugs. If the Police/government were doing their jobs, they would have arrested armed and destructive thugs. Then it wouldn't be necessary for citizens to stand up to protect property.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: bpl40 9/5/2020 8:13:52 AM (No. 532037)
A brave teenager facing a violent howling mob of murderers and pedophiles. Stepping in at great risk of personal harm when the police fail to do their job. Why on earth is this a prosecutable act? Are we losing our collective minds??
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Krause 9/5/2020 8:28:11 AM (No. 532048)
In order to convict him they would have to show that you don't have a right to self defense.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Pete on the Coast 9/5/2020 8:33:14 AM (No. 532056)
According to Ann Coulter: "The people he killed were: a convicted child molester and a convicted domestic violence repeat offender, both of whom had served time in prison. (It takes a lot to get prison time in America — especially if you’re white, right BLM?) The guy Rittenhouse shot in the arm had a firearms conviction and was coming at him with a gun."
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Reply 8 - Posted by: franq 9/5/2020 8:37:58 AM (No. 532061)
I understand his lawyers are pursuing a loophole that allows 16-17 year olds to carry rifles under hunting guidelines. But the one attorney admitted that portion of the law is "poorly drafted". It's already been shown he did not carry the gun across state lines, so that charge topples. The self-defense claim is evident on face. We'll see.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Catfur27 9/5/2020 8:45:00 AM (No. 532064)
..if he has even a halfway decent lawyer...all he has to do is make sure he gets at least ONE true American ( ie - a Trumpster) on the jury...no matter how many times they try the case there will never be a conviction
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Reply 10 - Posted by: KatieJo 9/5/2020 9:06:08 AM (No. 532081)
"Get off"? Kyle was there helping people until he was attacked. Then, he defended himself, and quite capably I might add. There should be no charge to "get off' of. He's more of a man than most of the males I know.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: lakerman1 9/5/2020 9:06:21 AM (No. 532082)
no matter what happens to the shooter, he made a major contribution to the entire marxist riots everywhere. Until Rittenhouse shot the three, rioters/looters/bullies of the wo0rst kind have pushed everyone around, seemingly with impunity. Those days are gone. now those bulli8es will think about consequences, I would hope. Now if the police start policing, instead of playing observor to the riots, things will calm down.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Tanker76 9/5/2020 9:07:26 AM (No. 532083)
It is NOT illegal for citizens to own fully automatic weapons ! You merely have to fill out the appropriate voluminous ATF paperwork and pay the Feds the enormous fees involved, plus actually find one for sale. They are terribly expensive, if you can even find one for sale. I used to work at a gun store and one of our older employees owned several, which he would occasionally bring in to display and let some of us ex military types fire on our indoor range. He owned a 1913 machine gun with tripod, a Thompson sub machine gun from Attica State Prison and a fully auto AR in 9mm, among others, collected over a lifetime.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: anotherctyankee 9/5/2020 9:08:43 AM (No. 532084)
I would love to see the district attorney charged with malicious prosecution.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Strike3 9/5/2020 9:27:34 AM (No. 532107)
The law means nothing when prosecutors and judges are evil and dishonest. This young man will be made an example, just like the innocent General Flynn.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: bigfatslob 9/5/2020 9:54:10 AM (No. 532133)
Assault rifle is a tiring use of a term. A rifle doesn't assault anything a person does it's an act. The 'black guns' look intimidating to some with magazines sticking out maybe holding 30 rounds, pistol grip triggers and sight systems to shoot at the moon but they are not any more dangerous than a bolt action deer rifle. Remember they are not 'automatic' they are auto feeding of a round after pulling the trigger. The author of this shows his ignorance. It the rifle would have been taken the rioters would have used it on Rittenhouse just as the person with the skateboard if his first strike would have worked. There were many other guns present and the person with the handgun who got his arm nearly blown off said he acted too slow meaning he didn't shoot soon enough so his intent was to shoot someone that night. It what I call a 'righteous kill' call it vigilante but we might all be face with this same situation soon.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: RuckusTom 9/5/2020 10:14:56 AM (No. 532160)
He's going to have issues because he was from Illinois and he was armed in Wisconsin participating in a protest. Sure, it was self defense, but the Hatfields and McCoys had a case regarding bounty hunters taking suspects from one state to another that went all the way to the Supreme Court. Crossing state lines while armed and participating in a protest - one one side or another - is a pretty big no no. In the extreme this would mean the governor of one state could call up the National Guard and invade another state.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Ditto1958 9/5/2020 10:18:32 AM (No. 532167)
I tried to read this article, but the guy is a idiot. 1. You don’t have to be a lawyer to read and understand statutes. Read the whole statute. It’s legal for a 17 year old to carry a rifle or shotgun in Wisconsin. 2. He’s “outraged” that it’s “legal” to to openly carry a gun like that in the streets? It’s not just legal. It’s a right endowed by our Creator. 3. But what about “assault rifles?” Hmmm... the Framers understood we all have the right to bear arms. They carried the exact same “assault” rifles used by the military at the time.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Starboard_side 9/5/2020 10:41:16 AM (No. 532188)
Whether it's this case, or many of the others, this idea of rush to judgement is destroying the justice system. And, think of all of those prosecutors and politicians who are supposed to prosecute all the other cases brought to them, and how so many have gotten it wrong simply because they were rushing to judgement. There are way too many innocent people who've spend decades in prison on rush to judgement due to high-profile crime that politicians needed resolved quickly, which resulted in promotions and political advancement at someone's expense.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: DVC 9/5/2020 11:46:15 AM (No. 532253)
I think he misses a key legal point. Mr. Rittenhouse is absolutely a member of the unorganized militia, under federal law. That is absolutely clear in US Code 10 para 246. I think that this fact may very well override the Wisconsin law on minors in possession of a firearm, since it is pretty clear that he was working to protect property, one of the militia duties commonly construed. More informed minds than mine will have to decide whether in the last few decades the left has successfully managed to make the term 'militia' a pejorative rather than the positive thing that it has always been in the USA. If there is belief that the average juror would see militia membership (a hard legal fact by federal law) as a positive thing or possibly as a negative thing. For me, a militia is generally a positive thing, although there certainly are some unsavory characters swaggering around and calling themselves by that term.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: rytwng 9/5/2020 11:59:46 AM (No. 532269)
It's a shame he only got two. Somebody should get at least two every night.
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