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Expressway shootings surge in Chicago area.
Illinois State Police say they need license plate
scanners, despite privacy concerns.

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Posted By: AltaD, 7/21/2020 8:58:25 AM

Expressway shootings have surged in the Chicago area this year, already surpassing what is normally seen in an entire year and increasing pressure for the installation of better cameras as well as scanners that read license plates.The Illinois State Police have recorded 61 expressway shootings in Cook County this year. That compares with 52 for all of 2019, 43 in 2018, 51 in 2017 and 54 in 2016, a year when gun violence in Chicago hit levels not seen since the 1990s.(Snip) In many instances, the existing cameras can’t provide the make, model or even color of vehicles.”

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino 7/21/2020 9:27:35 AM (No. 485695)
There is an acute shortage of affordable firing ranges in Cook County - - so where else can Chicago's minority gun enthusiasts take their practice?
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Reply 2 - Posted by: hershey 7/21/2020 9:31:53 AM (No. 485706)
Just watched the video series "Manchester Police' about the PD in Manchester England...England has more CCTV cameras than anywhere else in the world, and it includes an Automatic LIcense Plate Number Recognition system. That being said, most of the video replayed in the series was actually pretty crappy video, about what we see here. And the ALPNRS did a pretty good job of ferreting out stolen cars. That being said, it's amazing we can read a license plate from 200 miles in the sky and can't get a decent video down on the ground. But thinking that will cut down on Chicago crime is a joke...until they can start injecting some kind of morality into the population, it ain't gonna happen.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Strike3 7/21/2020 9:37:16 AM (No. 485716)
They identify vehicles well enough to mail you a bill for $3.50 when you blow by one of their many toll points on their "Freeways."
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Reply 4 - Posted by: mc squared 7/21/2020 9:41:22 AM (No. 485720)
I support the cops but this is a case of them not letting a crisis go to waste. Filtering through millions of tag numbers to find a highway shooter (who may be driving a stolen car anyway) sounds like the knee jerk reaction after 9-11, and brought us the TSA.. #2; we watch many UK crime shows and it appears they have cameras on every block and mile. How's that working keeping crime down?
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Reply 5 - Posted by: smcchk 7/21/2020 9:42:03 AM (No. 485721)
Have avoided the Dan Ryan for several years (too dangerous) although taking it to the Skyway reduces my travel time significantly. Only use 294 now, go around the city and avoid Chicago entirely. Unfortunately, 80-94 can be congested at times.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: HotRod 7/21/2020 9:44:27 AM (No. 485723)
If the people of Chicago don't care enough to vote the democrats out, and install some law and order politicians, then they deserve what they are getting. People who do vote for law and order, but are continually outvoted by the liberals, can either tolerate the violence, or move. There is too much corruption for citizen involvement to improve things. People who try to have a good city and nice neighborhoods, and pay the taxes that democrats steal and waste, will not survive under the current political regime. The city will only continue to get worse, as the thugs get increasingly bold. Who is going to stop them?
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Clinger 7/21/2020 9:50:22 AM (No. 485729)
Ok you get the tag number of the shooter then what? It's not a stolen car or stolen tag? You make an arrest then what, you let the bestard back out on the street?
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Dave292 7/21/2020 9:56:18 AM (No. 485734)
Would be curious to know if the bulk of these shootings are random, or are they motivated by specific traffic incidents? Neither are justified (in case I need to say that), but are these resulting from being cutoff in traffic, perceived slowness, etc., or are these entirely random? Curious... also wondering if snipers are involved; any instances of shootings from overpasses... that sort of stuff.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Hugh Akston 7/21/2020 9:56:30 AM (No. 485735)
What we need is a better quality of citizens...then, we would have so many of these other 'needs'.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: SkeezerMcGee 7/21/2020 10:28:28 AM (No. 485759)
Privacy concerns?!!!! Nonsense. Ignorance! There is no privacy regarding recording license plates on public streets.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: mc squared 7/21/2020 10:34:46 AM (No. 485765)
It's not privacy, it's the efficacy, or lack of it. Read #7. So you've got thousands of cameras, what next? The shooter's car will be long gone, maybe stripped and burned because it was stolen anyway.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: snowoutlaw 7/21/2020 10:39:27 AM (No. 485776)
Many cities around here have license plate scanners on most stop light poles around here. Time/date are recorded and the numbers are checked against known wanted license plates. They do not use them to access DMV data.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: The Remnants 7/21/2020 10:42:32 AM (No. 485783)
More third-world stuff. Who wants this stuff in their state?
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Lawsy0 7/21/2020 11:09:30 AM (No. 485811)
Oh stuff and feathers. If a tiny little town like Oak Ridge Tennessee has license plate scanners, surely the big fat overpaid Windy City could have them if they wanted them; especially for highway overpasses.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: john56 7/21/2020 11:20:50 AM (No. 485822)
I'm thinking if I were driving cross-country on I-80 or I-90, I might detour in mid-state Illinois, take I-39 south to I-74 to Indianapolis and head back up on I-69 and totally avoid Chicago. It's worth the extra 200 miles and 3-4 hours to avoid that cesspool.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: hershey 7/21/2020 11:26:45 AM (No. 485825)
Sorry for 2nd post, but the UK (and I guess some others) License Plate scanners are 'real time'..they can identify a stolen vehicle and get the Constables on patrol after them immediately...some of the segments in the series (Manchester PD) dealt with this....
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Reply 17 - Posted by: F15 Gork 7/21/2020 1:00:59 PM (No. 485931)
A division of Marines needs to surround the South Side and begin a door-to-door search and destroy clean out of that rathole. Got a gang tattoo? You will not have a good day...
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Reply 18 - Posted by: DVC 7/21/2020 2:46:35 PM (No. 486041)
#2, it is not possible to "read a license plate from 200 miles in the sky", although it is widely claimed in popular press. I spent some time with an satellite optical design engineer from Hughes discussing the technical limits of on orbit optics. The laws of physics do not permit enough resolution without an 'aperture ' larger than could be launched on the now defunct Space Shuttle. With to largest lens/mirror which could fit in the shuttle bay, the best possible resolution is about a 6 inch pixel. To resolve the 3 inch letters on a license plate would take about one inch pixels for a very crude image, so would require a mirror/lens at minimum six times the diameter of the max width of the shuttle bay. Not feasible now or in the past. If you doubt this, look up circular aperture resolution limits, and defraction limits to resolution. And this limit mentioned above assumes perfect optical clarity for the atmosphere, which is not true, so real world resolution would significantly less.
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