Reply 1 - Posted by:
Ribicon 7/10/2020 10:49:27 AM (No. 473401)
Dwight D. Eisenhower was no Colon Bowel: "General Robert E. Lee was… one of the supremely gifted men produced by this Nation… Through all his many trials he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his belief in God… he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history… I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall."
Neither was Winston Churchill: "Lee was the noblest American who ever lived and one of the greatest commanders known to the annals of war."
Neither was British Field Marshall Viscount Sir Garnet Wolseley: "I believe all will admit that General Lee towered far above all men on either side… he will be regarded as the great American of the 19th century, whose statue is well worthy to stand on an equal pedestal with Washington, and whose memory is worthy to be enshrined in the hearts of all his countrymen."
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
LadyVet 7/10/2020 10:57:28 AM (No. 473414)
People are still fighting a war that ended 150 years ago? Even the people who fought the actual war were more forgiving of each other and willing to move on. Colin's family members were not even American at that point. Let it be. Quit making excuses for juvenile vandals.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
MDConservative 7/10/2020 11:02:30 AM (No. 473418)
More ground prep for a possible third party "moderate conservative" candidacy fuels by Never Trumpers and Dump Trump activists. I'm waiting for Dubya's "I cannot remain silent anymore..." statement that will be timed for the GOP Convention. The goal is to drive down PDT's numbers, and then introduce this alternative...likely a certain Senator from a western state who voted to convict on one of those impeachment articles.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
zephyrgirl 7/10/2020 11:03:42 AM (No. 473419)
Auditioning for a job in the Biden administration.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
john56 7/10/2020 11:07:24 AM (No. 473425)
Cripes, us Northerners won the war, Let's be gracious and not keep rubbing it in to our southern friends even 150 years later.
As I tell my fellow Texans, we from the North won the War Between The States. We just waited until air conditioning was perfected before we occupied the territory.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
AGGW 7/10/2020 11:11:51 AM (No. 473436)
A lot of the war was about the snooty north looking down on the south, having nothing to do with slavery. In a lot of ways, nothing has changed.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
radrelic 7/10/2020 11:11:59 AM (No. 473437)
Okay, Black Lives Matter but to whom? Commies hiding in plain sight IMO.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
gop_guys 7/10/2020 11:12:29 AM (No. 473438)
What #1 said in spades! Had Lee not chosen to side with Virginia and state rights, the war would have been over in months!
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
joew9 7/10/2020 11:20:54 AM (No. 473448)
Of course they weren't great Americans. They did not want to be. That's why they fought for independence from the oppressive USA. They wanted to be great Confederates.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Lanetam 7/10/2020 11:23:05 AM (No. 473450)
They are still part of our history. Period.....
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
HotRod 7/10/2020 11:26:43 AM (No. 473461)
Colin Powell did not learn history, or at least ignores it! The Civil War was not instigated over slavery! That is the big lie, perpetrated by the left, and now taught in schools. The war was instigated over economic oppression by northern business.
Confederates were fighting for their states. The slavery issue was an add-on, after northerners became apathetic about the war.
You also never hear about the slave owners in the North, who reluctantly freed their slaves.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Safari Man 7/10/2020 11:29:16 AM (No. 473464)
I regret that I only have but one "like" to give for #9. I hereby give 50 more likes to #9. I give about 45 likes to #6. (Note that I am generally pretty stingy with the likes.)
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
bgarrett 7/10/2020 11:36:12 AM (No. 473475)
Colin Powell doesnt understand who Americans are. People who live in South America, you know, like Brazil are Americans. There are Americans living in Central America, like the Honduras.
The Confederate States of AMERICA were also Americans.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Shmowry1 7/10/2020 11:40:20 AM (No. 473482)
If the union had short sighted opinions like Powell, we would’ve had civil war after civil war after civil war.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
BarryNo 7/10/2020 11:40:22 AM (No. 473483)
Penis envy.
That's basically what these leftists are portraying. They could never hope to live up to past heroes honor and determination, so it must be false, be fake!! If I can't live up to it (simply by existing - not actually trying) neither could they. TEAR THEM DOWN!!!
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
FormerDem 7/10/2020 11:43:42 AM (No. 473487)
From what I understand Robert E. Lee is a big deal partly because after the South surrendered, many wished to continue the struggle from the hills, and just make this into a divided nation till they got their way. And Lee is the one who talked them out of it. Once again: I am well on the way to concluding that excessive remarks like Colin Powell's are an alibi for not knowing the subject matter. Also, could any journal just do a sequence of lives of the formerly statuesque? OK, some were villains But (a) it would be interesting, (b) it would build common ground to understand which were truly problematic, (c) it would teach history. No need for hagiography (d) it would shame people who pulled down the statues of abolitionists etc. Why not add into the story, what is known about who targeted this particular statue and who has been arrested.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
edgar 7/10/2020 11:45:46 AM (No. 473490)
Obama/Biden showed the same "intolerance". Colon Pile.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Bluefindad 7/10/2020 11:45:55 AM (No. 473491)
Perhaps Lincoln's greatest act was the proclamation of amnesty and initiation of reconstruction. There was a severe danger of turning the war into a Pyrrhic victory, with resentment, rebellion and retribution stretching as long as the nation held together. Lincoln amplified his convictions in his second inaugural address.
"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."
It is unbelievable that we, with all of our access to information, have become so shallow and unwise. Lincoln and many of his time, and of times since, understood that those who fought in the war were not all focused on slavery. We cannot know the number of those who fought who's purpose was simply a loyalty to their community and kin, and who gave their life in noble effort, regardless of which side they were on. The Left now clamors for their long-delayed Pyrrhic triumph. For the moment, they have nemesis under their thumb!
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Strike3 7/10/2020 11:53:38 AM (No. 473496)
The Confederate generals were fighting to build a new America.
Black Lies Matter and their Antifa mercenaries are fighting to build a new America.
Logical conclusion?
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
bobn.t 7/10/2020 11:55:40 AM (No. 473502)
Powell is blinded by his color bias. So black, he can't see the light.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
TLCary 7/10/2020 11:56:08 AM (No. 473504)
Intolerant of those who refuse to tolerate statues that have stood for over 100 years? Trying to be ironic, Colon? Or assuming Trump is stupid because he has a different opinion... That’s not ironic, it’s bigoted.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Geoman 7/10/2020 11:57:45 AM (No. 473506)
Confederates at the height of the Civil War were far better Americans than today's democrats. Many on this site valiantly defend their home states, flaws and all, as did Confederate soldiers of the 1860s. Colin Powell couldn't kiss the behind of RE Lee, if he stood on his daddy's shoulders. Unlike H. Clinton, when Lee lost, it was over. Lee could have presided over the Mother-of-all-Antifas but he didn't.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Hermoine 7/10/2020 11:58:18 AM (No. 473507)
Well, one thing is for sure, Colin Powell is NOT a great American. A great American does not knowingly let an innocent person (Scooter Libby) take the fall for a guilty a person (Richard Armitage). Colin Powell can stick it where the sun don't shine...along with all that WMD that he attested to and then back-tracked on, hence throwing his boss under the bus. It's all about Colin.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
bobn.t 7/10/2020 11:58:48 AM (No. 473508)
Methinks, Powell was favored by presidents because of his COLOR. Were he white he would have retired as a major.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
chance_232 7/10/2020 11:58:58 AM (No. 473509)
Curiously, until Grant and Sherman came on the scene, the Southern generals were routinely kicking norther generals butts.
Had it not been for the substantially greater manufacturing capacity of the north and its much larger population, the outcome of the war may have been much different. In a war of attrition, the guy with more wins.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
WhamDBambam 7/10/2020 12:01:28 PM (No. 473512)
Being a negro before being an American. I am delighted that the President has been able to get so many RINO weasels to out themselves.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
mc squared 7/10/2020 12:08:14 PM (No. 473516)
I used to think Powell was a great American; presidential even. Proves that Bloods are thicker than patriotism.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
felixcat 7/10/2020 12:14:43 PM (No. 473525)
Not really interested in what the son of Jamaican immigrants to the USA has to say about this event or anything else for that matter.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
lakerman1 7/10/2020 12:19:25 PM (No. 473535)
The more he talks, the more Colin Powell disappoints me.
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Civil War ended 155 years ago. There was a clear winner. Why is Powell re-fighting it? If I'm correct, his antecedents did not even live in the United States.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
Sunhan65 7/10/2020 12:34:25 PM (No. 473552)
#3 is prescient as always. I wish he wasn't, but he's usually right.
These carefully-calibrated public statements are all trailers for the late summer double feature "The Establishment Strikes Back" and "Return of the GOPe." In the latter, primitive eWokes will be exploited to bring down the evil orange Emperor and restore the Old Republican Guard.
The follow-on trilogy will feature the first Joe Biden film "The Farce Awakens."
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
SALady 7/10/2020 12:50:01 PM (No. 473569)
Colin Powel has always been a lie-beral Demon-Rat.
Just because he served in Bush's administration, it never made him conservative or a Republican. I have no idea why so many people assumed that. Even when he served for President Bush, he always talked and acted like a lie-beral Demon-Rat.
So this sort of nutcase lie-beral talk is totally normal for a lie-beral Demon-Rat.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
DVC 7/10/2020 12:51:39 PM (No. 473572)
What the hell does a Jamaican raised in NYC know about the Confederacy? Damned little, I would judge.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
volksford 7/10/2020 12:54:34 PM (No. 473576)
General Lee in parting ,urged the troops to return home and strive to be good citizens, you would think that would say enough about the man .
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
CharlyG 7/10/2020 1:03:09 PM (No. 473596)
They always try to make it; "We are smarter than you and yours, shut up and listen." Sorry, that's not how we roll!
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
NYbob 7/10/2020 1:03:32 PM (No. 473597)
A HIGHLY overrated man, largely created by the media, leading a violent, stupid, communist mob. No thanks.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
moonlightflip 7/10/2020 1:11:31 PM (No. 473610)
and you were no great general...
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
udanja99 7/10/2020 1:12:59 PM (No. 473613)
Go look in the mirror, Colon.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
Rather Read 7/10/2020 1:20:39 PM (No. 473631)
Aren't the tactics Stonewall Jackson developed still studied? Sorry General Powell, but some of the Confederates were good, decent men who went with their states when the chips were down.
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
watashiyo 7/10/2020 1:27:18 PM (No. 473647)
Shaddup you Affirmative action moron and finish your oatmeal!
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
AntiStatist 7/10/2020 1:34:08 PM (No. 473652)
#9, you're apparently unaware that it was the Confederate States of America. So the confederates were/are American. They wished merely to secede from under what had become dominion by the states of the North, which really come to reality with the election of Lincoln in 1860- he was elected without a single vote by southern voters. That's when the South knew that their fate was not in their own hands. War settled the matter but the CSA had a very valid point about the Union being comprised by states voluntarily consenting to a federal system.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
earlybird 7/10/2020 1:35:17 PM (No. 473654)
Of all people. Colin Powell was never a great American or anything else. A wishy-washy affirmative action politician.
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
DCGIRL 7/10/2020 1:52:32 PM (No. 473675)
Coming from another affirmative action clown.
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
Polecat49 7/10/2020 2:00:54 PM (No. 473679)
colon was one of those political incorrect piles of manure appointed because of his race. AND, he never, never rose above it. If he lives to be a hundred he will still be a racist.
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
bighambone 7/10/2020 2:05:08 PM (No. 473684)
The question is, why didn’t Colin Powell when he was a four star Bush general push to have the names of the US Army Forts named for Confederate Officers changed? Well it is certainly easier to Monday morning quarterback someone else?
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
snowoutlaw 7/10/2020 2:23:24 PM (No. 473694)
Speaking of history. The story below about Lincoln's reelection in 1864 and the fired general George McClellan reminded me that when a paper general like Powell speaks up they do not have to be blindly followed. Just because they were a general doesn't mean they know or want what is best for the country.
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
anniebc 7/10/2020 2:25:37 PM (No. 473696)
Colin Powell is not a great American. By my view, he'll actually be recorded in history as a traitor. Understand that. My view is just as important as his view about President Trump. Get over yourself, leftist.
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Reply 48 - Posted by:
qr4j 7/10/2020 2:40:39 PM (No. 473707)
Actually, by Northern (i.e., Union) standards, Confederates were Americans. The North did not recognize the succession as legitimate. And that is why the North fought the South. The South was in rebellion.
Where Confederate soldiers great? I don't know. I wasn't there. Whatever happened to these words of Lincoln: "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."
No wounds being bound now. No-sir-ee, Bob! Quite the opposite!
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Reply 49 - Posted by:
Right Time 7/10/2020 2:57:47 PM (No. 473723)
Why do we care what the treasonous snake Colonoscopy Powell says??
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Reply 50 - Posted by:
jimkata 7/10/2020 3:25:15 PM (No. 473748)
Interesting that Powell considers the Confederacy generals no longer Americans. This must mean he agrees that the Confederate States could secede and start their own nation. i think that was what the war was about. States wanted to go their own way and Lincoln saying no ...we are all Americans.
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Reply 51 - Posted by:
voxpopuli 7/10/2020 3:31:06 PM (No. 473759)
Trump: Colon Powell doesn't understand
U.S. history, Traitors, like him,
'are not great Americans'
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Reply 52 - Posted by:
Ribicon 7/10/2020 3:45:13 PM (No. 473771)
The Southern states had an absolute right to leave the union if such arrangement became intolerable, the same way the individual states broke free from English rule. This man was of the same opinion:
"Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable and most sacred right—a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can may revolutionize and make their own of so many of the territory as they inhabit." –Abraham Lincoln, January 1848
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Reply 53 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 7/10/2020 3:46:54 PM (No. 473776)
Yes, the tactics of both North and South are/were studied in most nations' military officer advanced courses. The Germans before WWII studied the tactics of the Southern Generals, as well as the logistical genius of the North. By the time of WWII the Germans had a railway line unparalleled in the world for the movement of arms and supplies. Their giant railway guns were amazing.
General Robert E. Lee was a great military man and Virginia gentleman who released all his slaves before Abraham Lincoln released his. General Lee refused to fight in the uniform of the Confederacy, choosing instead to remain in the uniform of the Army of Northern Virginia to emphasize the issue of States' Rights. Per the U.S. Constitution, States' were granted the RIGHT to dissolve the Federal compact that bound them together. The War between the States was fought over the issue of TAXATION more than slavery, which was a dying institution long before 1860.
General 'Stonewall' Jackson was a great Christian gentleman who would hold Bible classes with his soldiers. He wasn't a perfect tactician, but his men thought he was the bravest man in the world, hence his moniker.
General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the only field grade officer to never make a tactical mistake. He was brilliant, rising from Private to General in a few short years. Unfortunately, he gets tarred with a short-lived association with the early KKK from which he withdrew after its radicalization.
General U.S. Grant was an alcoholic, although a strategist who had an advanced grasp of logistics.
I would never make the statement this Jamaica mulatto has made. If anything, the Confederate leaders held more sympathy for the Constitution than did the tyrannical Union. Abraham Lincoln overstepped his authority in ordering the Northern Aggression against the Confederacy. These issues should have been resolved by the Congress long before war was used.
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Reply 54 - Posted by:
Italiano 7/10/2020 3:48:26 PM (No. 473778)
Today's swamp dwellers of both parties calling the South "traitors" is the ultimate irony.
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Reply 55 - Posted by:
avital2 7/10/2020 3:55:03 PM (No. 473794)
Confederates were pardoned. after the Northern War of Aggression (!) and....interesting to note that Hamilton's stronger statement about slavery under King George in the Declaration of Independence was replaced due to pressure from 2 Southern states and Northern businessmen. ahem.
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Reply 56 - Posted by:
GO3 7/10/2020 4:08:48 PM (No. 473819)
Hitting the bookshelves next week is Powell’s new book, A Brief History of the My Lai Massacre.
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Reply 57 - Posted by:
nina584 7/10/2020 4:12:41 PM (No. 473825)
Says affirmative action Colin....
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Reply 58 - Posted by:
qqi239 7/10/2020 4:17:18 PM (No. 473834)
I really do not understand this thing about Confederate monuments/fort names: all of them were Democrats, all monuments and names were installed by Democrats, now another generation of Democrats finally realized that Lincoln was right and removing them.
Why should any Republican care? I do care about Columbus and the Founders of the Republic, Union figures of the Civil Wat, but why do I have to care about Confederates?
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Reply 59 - Posted by:
rochow 7/10/2020 5:01:19 PM (No. 473871)
'..they were no longer Americans at that point'...… Thank goodness this POS did not ever run for pres.!!!
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Reply 60 - Posted by:
4Justice 7/10/2020 5:24:26 PM (No. 473908)
Colon Bowel doesn't know history. Nobody is calling Confederates "great Americans", but some of those who fought the war were remembered for things they did for their people. And some actually WERE great, like Robert E. Lee who was a war hero before the Civil War. He only turned down a commission to fight for the Union because of his loyalty to his state of Virginia. Remember, back then we were more citizens of our states than of the Federation.
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Reply 61 - Posted by:
red1066 7/10/2020 5:30:45 PM (No. 473917)
Colon needs to study that period of our country from a non military perspective. There's a reason Confederate history is looked up to by many people today. The Confederacy is seen today as being anti federal government. A government that is too large and too intrusive in the personal lives of the average citizen. It's a rallying cry for many. Especially in the south. Reading some of the letters from Confederate soldiers, they fought because the north came down there. The average Confederate soldier didn't own slaves. They couldn't afford them. In fact, the average soldier wasn't much better off than most slaves.
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Powell is a war criminal, he should have been tried and hung a long time ago.
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Reply 63 - Posted by:
clipped wings 7/10/2020 6:45:49 PM (No. 473981)
And colon was not a great, or even particularly effective general.
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Reply 64 - Posted by:
Venturer 7/10/2020 6:47:46 PM (No. 473983)
What else could be expected of Colon Powell. After all is said and done. Just as racist as Al Sharpton.
He just cannot hide it any longer.
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Reply 65 - Posted by:
LadyVet 7/10/2020 6:53:21 PM (No. 473989)
General Lee was considered a great man because he was able to help reconcile the country after the war. Of course, he was also known as a compassionate man, a Christian, and a true Southern gentleman. Too bad that his kind of dignity is lost to our current set of military generals and Washinton politicians.
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Reply 66 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 7/10/2020 6:56:37 PM (No. 473992)
Powell doesn't understand U.S. history, star rank military officers who oppose the Commander-in-Chief 'are not great Americans'
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Reply 67 - Posted by:
MickTurn 7/10/2020 7:14:00 PM (No. 474004)
Colon Powell was a political hack suckup...do that well and you get stars, right AssHat?
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Reply 68 - Posted by:
Yuban 7/10/2020 7:15:16 PM (No. 474005)
GTH.
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Reply 69 - Posted by:
JackBurton 7/10/2020 7:38:20 PM (No. 474010)
Let's begin by saying that I understand Colin Powell.
And that the discussion can end there.
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Reply 70 - Posted by:
subman47 7/10/2020 7:51:10 PM (No. 474022)
Confederate soldiers, sailors, and marines were made veterans by an act of Congress in 1957.US Public law 85-425, sec. 410. Approved May 23, 1958. This made all Confederate army, navy , marine veterans equal to US veterans and under US Public Law 810 approved by the 17th Congress on Feb. 26,1929, the war Department was directed to erect headstones and recognize Confederate grave sites as US war grave sites. So just for the record, when you remove a Confederate statue , monument or headstone, you are in fact removing the statue, monument, or headstone OF A US VETERAN.
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Reply 71 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 7/10/2020 8:07:53 PM (No. 474037)
Over 600,000 AMERICANS died in the Civil War. That includes those that fought for the Confederacy. That makes them Americans. More Americans died in the Civil War than any other war that America participated in. The Confederacy fought for something they believed in. They wanted to participate in the prosperity of America that was enjoyed by the North. The North was industrialized while much of the South was not. They fought a war. The Confederacy only lasted 4 years. The South eventually got what it wanted, but it would take nearly a century. In the process the South had to give up slavery, and their two tier society. How much did the Confederacy really help the South? It could be argued that slavery hurt the Southern economy more than it helped it.
The Civil War was a tragedy. The North and South should have been able to resolve their differences peacefully. That war should never have happened.
Colin Powell says the Confederates were not great Americans? They were AMERICANS! Powell needs to stop running his mouth, and people need to stop fighting a war that ended 150 years ago.
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Reply 72 - Posted by:
or gate 7/10/2020 8:08:03 PM (No. 474038)
People fighting for what they believe in.
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Well, Colon, any friend of Obola is no friend of mine. Surprised you still call yourself a Republican because you vote by color for the other Party. I am sicken by all of the arm chair experts on the south. No southerner I know of has ever condemned a Union soldier or wanted to tear down their statue. We respect history.
My family came in the early 1600's. To question if we were Americans, is beyond sickening.
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Reply 74 - Posted by:
doctorfixit 7/11/2020 9:07:13 AM (No. 474449)
Colon Bowel is a great pile of dog doo.
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Reply 75 - Posted by:
NotaBene 7/11/2020 4:06:49 PM (No. 474959)
Funny thing is Colin Powell is not a Black from here but rather from the West Indies. The General was wrong about WMD and earlier in stopping the destruction of Hussein’s army in full retreat from Kuwait. This idiotic tactician gave US decades of war. Enormous French fry on his shoulder and he is not even that Black.
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Comments:
By "our history," Colon Bowel perhaps refers to the history of overrated affirmative action generals.