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Posted By: Magnante, 4/4/2020 9:43:37 AM

Everyone is up in arms about the fact that the Navy brass fired Captain Brett Crozier, of the USS Theodore Roosevelt, a Nimitz-class nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, after Crozier complained about people on his ship being infected with COVID-19. To many people, he was a lone man fighting a hardened bureaucracy on behalf of the men and women in his care. To others, though, he was a dangerous malcontent who placed his entire ship at risk by ignoring rules that exist for a reason. The report about Captain Brett Crozier, whose ship, the USS Roosevelt, was docked in Guam, broke like a bomb on March 31

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Reply 1 - Posted by: planetgeo 4/4/2020 10:10:15 AM (No. 368191)
This country has totally lost sight of what the U.S. military is supposed to be, and in this case, the U.S. Navy. An aircraft carrier isn't supposed to be just a floating DMV office, it's supposed to be a fighting war machine always ready to take on any enemy no matter what. The fact this commander took the action he did in the interest of protecting his crew would be admirable in a DMV office director, but it's a dereliction of duty for a commander of a U.S. aircraft carrier on station in the hottest spot in the world right now. As such, it is in fact "at war," and its mission is more important than whether 100 of its 5,000 crew have a bad case of flu. There were other alternatives to letting the enemy know the compromised condition of its crew (by the public release of his communication) and leaving its station and heading to Guam. He was rightfully relieved of his command.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: spacer 4/4/2020 10:28:51 AM (No. 368209)
General George McCellan would be proud of the Captain.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: bpl40 4/4/2020 10:37:43 AM (No. 368226)
Not copying in his immediate superior is such a colossal lapse of judgement that the man cannot be trusted with such responsibility. Its a no brainer.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: GO3 4/4/2020 10:39:59 AM (No. 368230)
Absolutely right, #1. Back in the day, our unit in Germany got the first ever flu shot late one afternoon. The next morning at O'dark thirty, we were called out on alert and were up in motor pool at full readiness with engines running. Half of us were sick from that damn shot but it was suck it up and drive on. If our CO had said, shut them down we're going back to the barracks, he would have been relieved and court-martialed.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: earlybird 4/4/2020 10:47:11 AM (No. 368239)
The article tells us that Crozier’s immediate superior was on the ship, living just feet from Crozier. He did not tell him of his concerns. Instead: Modly said Crozier had cc’ed more than 20 people, including some outside the chain of command, over unsecured and unclassified systems, assuring the memo’s leak. He also said Crozier did not speak to his direct superior, carrier strike group commander Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, about his concerns before sending the memo, despite Baker being on the carrier and living within feet of Crozier. Modly said Crozier was not fired for expressing concerns, but the way he chose to do so. The chain of command doesn’t exist merely to keep order. It also exists to keep information from the public. Crozier commanded one of only ten Nimitz-class nuclear-powered aircraft carriers in the Navy. These ships are considered the backbone of America’s naval fighting force. By going public with his complaints, Crozier essentially sent a giant banner up into the sky announcing to America’s enemies that one of the primary weapons in America’s arsenal might be out of commission. That is why he was relieved of his command. He is no hero.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: DVC 4/4/2020 10:54:50 AM (No. 368252)
Loose cannons are dangerous as hell, and a military organization cannot have loose cannons.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Flyball Dogs 4/4/2020 10:55:22 AM (No. 368253)
Being totally unfamiliar with all things military, I will defer to other esteemed posters. But I do wonder: if Capt Crozier made it as far as he did (to be in charge of a US Navy sub), how did such a colossal lapse in judgment occur?
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Reply 8 - Posted by: DVC 4/4/2020 10:56:55 AM (No. 368257)
A close relative was a carrier strike group commander.....I guarantee that if his flagship skipper had done this, the result would have been the same.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: GO3 4/4/2020 11:21:45 AM (No. 368285)
You bring up a good point #8. What was the status of the other ships (cruisers, destroyers) in the strike group? I don't want to know; just a rhetorical question.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: judy 4/4/2020 11:32:49 AM (No. 368306)
Loose lips sink ships! The entire crew cheering him when he left the ship was very disappointing. It's the navy stupid, not a high school dance.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: RCFLyer98 4/4/2020 11:36:07 AM (No. 368310)
Always . . . always two sides to a story. Always! I think he should have been removed from his position.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: MindMadeUp 4/4/2020 11:40:55 AM (No. 368321)
Yes, it looks like Crozier was acting less in the tradition of courage and honor of the Navy and more in the tradition of leaks and insubordination recently started by Democrat "whistleblowers".
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Reply 13 - Posted by: FL_Absentee_Voter 4/4/2020 11:59:56 AM (No. 368337)
#7 - Good question, particularly since he's a fighter pilot. If you're incompetent at your job in the cockpit of an F/A-18 you usually don't live long enough to make rank, and the Navy is particularly selective about those few entrusted to command nuclear carriers - the most underpaid professionals in the world. That being said, this wouldn't be the first time that a senior career military officer acted in a rash, boneheaded manner that defied explanation. You only read about "loss of confidence in ability to command" but the underlying reasons run the spectrum of folly. I know of a former guided-missile cruiser skipper back in the nineties who got caught shoplifting a couple of CD's from the Navy Exchange. Gone. Why are the rules so rigid and tough? Good order and discipline is what keeps warriors from getting killed, and those sickening videos of the crew cheering for him over the Navy is a classic example of its breakdown. If the XO doesn't put every one of those sailors on report then HE needs to go, too. Put yourself in the shoes of the replacement CO who will now be tasked with getting that ship back to sea as soon as possible. This guy really screwed up.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: jacksin5 4/4/2020 12:21:21 PM (No. 368359)
The location and readiness of our Military is supposed to be closely guarded. This nimrod endangered not only his own ship,but that of the entire carrier group. As for the crew giving the Captain a cheering sendoff, there should be repercussions. Our Military should not be run like an episode of M.A.S.H..
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Reply 15 - Posted by: worried 4/4/2020 12:30:54 PM (No. 368370)
When I was in navy boot camp, lo, those many years ago, our company CPO told us, if we had a problem, come to him. Don't run to the chaplain! One recruit eventually did, and his life in boots was hell for the rest of the time there. Not only did the chaplain go to our chief, but told who the recruit was. It was a small matter that could have been handled in the company, but he went over the chief's head, breaking the chain of command. That chain must remain unbroken if we want an effective military.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: coldoc 4/4/2020 1:02:30 PM (No. 368394)
The captain went behind the bosses back. Thats a no-no, being sneaky and manipulative. Off to adak with you!
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Synicle 4/4/2020 1:31:03 PM (No. 368435)
apologies to whoever wrote this song! Disappointed Everywhere you look you can write a book On the trouble of a Captain and his bosses But you can not impose- you can't stick your nose Into something that you don't understand But still you wonder Who's lying to who, who's being true Who don't even care anymore It makes you wonder Who's doing right with someone tonight And who's ship is parked and moored I thought i knew them well i really couldn't tell But they had other stuff on their mind You see it felt so right when they held me tight How could i be so blind But still you wonder Who's lying to who, who's being true Who don't even care anymore It makes you wonder Who's doing right with someone tonight When the ships not mine anymore An ass is on the line each and every time Truth is stolen in the shadows of the night Though it's wrong all along it keeps going on As long as you keep stuff outta sight But still you wonder Who's lying to who, who's being true Who don't even care anymore It makes you wonder Who's doing right with someone tonight And who's ass is gonna be real sore
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Reply 18 - Posted by: snowoutlaw 4/4/2020 2:20:17 PM (No. 368495)
When I first heard the Captain's statement I was surprised the navy would announce such a thing, guess I was right they wouldn't.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Rumblehog 4/4/2020 3:23:28 PM (No. 368543)
So he's just a creepy leaker. We don't need any "leaks" on an Aircraft Carrier.. none.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: enemyofthestate 4/4/2020 3:23:53 PM (No. 368544)
This is not the United States Navy I served in. Sad.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: mathman 4/4/2020 3:30:29 PM (No. 368550)
My understanding of secrecy is that the status of personnel on board any naval vessel is need-to-know secret. After all, a naval vessel is a ship of war. No report should go anywhere except up the chain of command, on a secure channel. One presumes that our enemies are always in search of any advantage, including the illness of personnel on board the ship. The status is NOT for public dissemination under ANY circumstances. What? Was he thinking? A lone man fighting a hardened bureaucracy? Bull****. That is not the way ship captains are expected to operate. The safety of his crew and his vessel are his responsibility. One does not go public on such an issue. Have we heard from Admiral Baker? No. Baker has more sense than that. Crozier has no business in the military. Perhaps politics?
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Videodrone 4/4/2020 3:36:33 PM (No. 368555)
#20 Nor mine - sad to say, between this and the collisions at sea (How the fook does a cargo ship hit a destroyer?)
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Reply 23 - Posted by: judy 4/4/2020 5:17:02 PM (No. 368642)
Trump just said the captain stopped in Vietnam & allowed people to get off when they came back On ship that’s when the virus started. Bad move when an epidemic is worldwide.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: DVC 4/5/2020 3:11:09 AM (No. 368974)
I would bet money that there will be a new captain, new crew members, cleaned up berthing spaces and TR will be back at sea within a week or two. Occasionally the wrong guy makes it to one of these very rare jobs, carrier captain - and he 'screws the pooch" in some way. Most of those who fail do so during their 'deep draft command'. Remember, aircraft carrier captains are selected from the ranks of naval aviators, so they are not experienced ship drivers like surface warfar officers. So these aviators get to learn how to safely drive a ship on their 'deep draft command', a ship like an oiler which draws as much water (deep draft) as a carrier, so it is just as easy to run aground, but WAY less of a big deal if some newbie aviator ship driver runs one of your oilers aground, or has a collision with it, rather than one of your aircraft carriers. Crozier did well in his deep draft, or he wouldn't have made carrier captain. A real shame to see someone who did very well to get there make this sort of bonehead mistake and get canned. He'll be retired pretty soon, maybe a year or two.
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