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Italian scientists investigate possible
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Posted By: NorthernDog, 3/26/2020 12:40:25 PM

MILAN - Italian researchers are looking at whether a higher than usual number of cases of severe pneumonia and flu in Lombardy in the last quarter of 2019 may be a signal that the new coronavirus might have spread beyond China earlier than previously thought. Adriano Decarli, an epidemiologist and medical statistics professor at the University of Milan, said there had been a “significant” increase in the number of people hospitalized for pneumonia and flu in the areas of Milan and Lodi between October and December last year. He told Reuters he could not give exact figures but “hundreds” more

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Another timeline question about when the virus started.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: lostinmassachusetts 3/26/2020 12:51:20 PM (No. 358723)
What was the relantionship between those specific regions of Italy and central China and/or other early hot areas before the epidemic became more widespread?
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Reply 2 - Posted by: HotRod 3/26/2020 12:55:51 PM (No. 358729)
''I think it extremely unlikely that the virus was present in Europe before January,” said Paul Hunter, a professor in medicine....Hunter said that unless Italian scientists get positive results from samples taken and stored at that time, then the suggestion should not be given credence.'' Well, duhhh! Why do these people always pop-poo this stuff before the answer is known? Then, make a statement about credence? Maybe because he didn't make the connection?
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Clinger 3/26/2020 1:03:23 PM (No. 358742)
The CYA process has begun. You have been lied to and those lies have gone unchallenged. When the liars know that they are being exposed they start the confession with the acknowledgement of a possibility they could have been "wrong.". Sooner or later we will be speaking about the real timeline matter of factually without asking why we were told December to begin with. Keep in mind, the earlier this started the more data is missing from the analysis.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: sanspeur 3/26/2020 1:06:06 PM (No. 358747)
how about the daily direct flights wuhan - milan ? and the chicom buy out of Italian leather mfg companies .. located where ?? northern Italy . Good ole silken road buy out leads to chicom dominance ../illness
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Luandir 3/26/2020 1:08:31 PM (No. 358751)
Note that the naysayer comes from the University of East Anglia, of Climategate fame. Draw your own conclusions as to credibility. The longer the virus was circulating unnoticed in the West, the weaker the claims of a massive wave of infections look.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: oldmagnolia 3/26/2020 1:10:09 PM (No. 358753)
Northern Italy, the Lombardy region is where all the fashion factories are. The Italians wanted to keep the factories there in order to put the "Made in Italy" mark on their products. If you buy a purse made in Italy is more expensive that if you buy one made in China. The EU forced Italy to bring Chinese labor to their factories. This has been going on for over 10 years. China created the "Silk Road" and Chinese were coming and going from China to Rome to Northern Italy. Early January, the Chinese went back to China for the lunar new year and returned to Italy with the virus. After all this is over, the EU is toast.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: LadyHen 3/26/2020 2:52:01 PM (No. 358884)
This and the question of Chinese immigration and travel are very valuable questions that needs to be answered since we can not rely on Communist Chinese authorities telling us the truth about when this virus emerged in their country or really anything for that matter. We should be asking the same questions here.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: texaspast 3/26/2020 3:56:15 PM (No. 358959)
I have a friend who got sick last fall during a trip to Iceland. I have seen the paperwork from her testing and treatment. The diagnosis was 'corona virus'. Didn't say which one, but . . . That was early fall.
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