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Laura Ingraham: Six things we still don't
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Posted By: Harlowe, 3/18/2020 1:33:04 AM

In her commentary on Tuesday's edition of "The Ingraham Angle," Fox News' Laura Ingraham raised six unanswered questions surrounding the coronavirus outbreak. 1. What is the true mortality rate of COVID-19? "We don't yet know how dangerous the coronavirus is, and we won't know until more data comes in," Ingraham began.(Snip)6. What is China's relationship with the World Health Organization? "Remember," Ingraham cautioned, "China is cofounder of the WHO and it provides an enormous amount of funding to it. They are now the second-largest donor after the United States ... [but] somehow they seem to be pulling all the strings."

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Ms. Ingraham raises another pertinent question of whether or not the Chinese government can be trusted to provide accurate data, especially since the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) began cracking down on journalists who were doing their job.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Jubal 3/18/2020 1:56:33 AM (No. 349563)
All things considered, let's be precise here and begin referring to it accurately. It's the CHINESE, or CHINA virus.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: DVC 3/18/2020 2:20:31 AM (No. 349573)
Wuhan flu is what I call it, but I'm fine with Chinese virus, too. But almost all the 'common flu' viruses are 'gifts' from China. As to mortality rate....here is a SWAG at that one. No way we have an accurate mortality rate, that is essentially certain. Chinese and other data indicates about 3-3.5% mortality rate, but unquestionably there are many missing cases from the denominator, because many are mild and never get "into the system". How many is "many"? Can we guess resonable bounds? I am willing to buy some claims that we are missing 2/3 of the actual cases, so that would triple the denominator, and make the "correct" mortality rate 1.0%. This is still ten times the mortality rate of the common flu. Numeric example: 3000 deaths in 100,000 infected = 3000/100,000 = 0.03 = 3% Imagine that actually 300,000 got it but 2/3 of them were mild, not reported. So we 'correct' our 100,000 cases to 300,000 cases. 3000/300,000 = 0,01 =1% Seems like this could be possible. Maybe. At least it doesn't seem ridiculous that there are that many unreported, mild cases. A friend and I were discussing this today, he speculated "Well, maybe it is really no more deadly than common flu". Am I prepared to believe that we are missing 29 of 30 cases from our denominator, which is what it would take to get there? Uh, no, that seems unreasonable to me. 3000 dead at the 0.1% mortality of the common flu would require the actual number of infected persons to be 3,000,000 and mean that we only recorded 100,000 of 3,000,000 cases or that we missed 2.9 million "mild" cases out of 3 million total cases. It means that 29 of 30 infections went unrecorded. Reasonable? I am not prepared to buy that. So - seems pretty certain that the 'official rate' is too high, we are guaranteed have missed "some" cases of mild infection. Then, "how many" missed? I could believe that 2 of 3 are so mild as to be missed. Might be real. I cannot believe that 29 of 30 cases are so mild as to be missed. That puts some VERY rough "guesstimate bounds" on it. Could be as low as 1% but probably can't be 0.1% like common flu. So, it is very likely to be at least 10 times as deadly as common flu, and perhaps even 20 times. Probably is not 30 times as deadly. This is an pretty decent engineering SWAG, which is a "scientific wild-assed guess".
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Reply 3 - Posted by: qr4j 3/18/2020 6:31:25 AM (No. 349638)
Mental health is another casualty of this disease, or at least the response to it. People are social creatures for the most part. And we are being told to stay away from each other. Most of the social systems that support us under ordinary circumstances have been blocked from us. For children and young adults, schools and colleges are shut down or have gone online. We cannot go to bars and restaurants. And even the source of comfort and strength is closed down: Church. The fear of the disease combined with barriers to our social networks of support and comfort can put a huge strain on people’s ability to cope. When we can, I think it wise for us to spread cheer, being fully aware that we still need each other. We don’t know what positive effect small words and acts of kindness may have. That’s what has been on my mind.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Highlander 3/18/2020 6:58:45 AM (No. 349661)
The hysteria over this dubious modern day version of the Black Death is driven by democrat political opportunists purely as a means to bring down Trump!
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Red Ghost 3/18/2020 7:50:25 AM (No. 349692)
Not sure why the article is even here. All it says is we won't know more until we know more. I think we got that.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: BarryNo 3/18/2020 8:15:36 AM (No. 349711)
Since the Democrats gave up on science and replaced it with religion, there is no talking to them bout facts. Like Global Warming, the 'fats' on Coronavirus are mainly speculation - hopeful speculation on their part - that this is the disease that heralds the end of the Trump Presidency. So the faithful media, hype this new and possibly manufactured flu, and use it to affect the economy of the entire world in their temper tantrum. Coronavirus is Chinese bio-warfare testing. They are trying to design a viral weapon working first on how easily it spreads and how pernicious it sticks around. Then they can work on boosting the lethality. While it would not surprise me that the Democrats simply latched on to this convenient mistake, it is also possible, that they've been in full communication with the Chinese, much like they used to do with the old USSR, and were warned in advance that this was being released for field testing and they might as well make use of it.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 3/18/2020 9:23:33 AM (No. 349781)
FTA, Question No. 5, - "Can we trust the Chinese government to provide accurate data?" No. Not only no, but, hell no.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: cny 3/18/2020 9:29:28 AM (No. 349787)
Maybe I'm not the only one whose imagination went to the idea that this virus could have been released on purpose. The dems have these conscience-less Bond villain billionaires on their side, and it really doesn't stretch the imagination to consider that a lab in China would take $$ to release a virus. And it doesn't have to be a particularly awful thing like ebola - because the purpose would be chaos and takeover, not necessarily death - they'd probably consider the deaths inconsequential to the goal - you know, as dems often believe the end justifies the means. It's probably just a wild idea, but a bit scary that it doesn't seem all that farfetched.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 3/18/2020 9:30:39 AM (No. 349791)
All good points and the reality is a lot of this won't be known until much later or never, What we DO know and what our response is based on is general infectious disease control procedures. Wash hands and exposed surfaces, minimize social contact, do NOT travel, if you are sick be aware of symptoms - self quarantine - seek medical help, don't go to work when sick or when you may be contagious, if put on quarantine OBEY it.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Jebediah 3/18/2020 9:40:06 AM (No. 349806)
If anyone watched the film "Chernobyl" it is easy to recognize the signs: the Chinese government hiding an inconvenient truth from the public, and in this case, the world. But while Chernobyl largely affected Russians, this viruses is killing and infecting everyone and risking a world depression..
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Jebediah 3/18/2020 9:44:47 AM (No. 349815)
And I agree 1000% with Dana Perino who suggests that those college age and slightly above individuals gathering on beaches and bars and at parties, thereby contracting an asymptonmatic virus that can be passed on to the vulnerable, should be noted via their Facebook and Twitter bragging and THIS should be considered when they hit the job market. It is easy to say they are young and foolish, yet people their age have fought in wars and died to save this country.......and they can't even lay off the beach blanketbingo. REMEMBER THEIR NAMES!!!!!
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Lawsy0 3/18/2020 9:45:00 AM (No. 349817)
Here is a What-If scenario, thanks to #6 above. What if this is just a ''dry run'' at some future biological warfare by our largest enemy? Since the first sci-fi book was written, this has been a constant theme. Now it is a constant threat. Question: would we do it to them first??
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Reply 13 - Posted by: ARKfamily 3/18/2020 10:08:03 AM (No. 349849)
Yes, the church is closed too. But not the Bible. I firmly believe that we have gotten away from reading it.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: HotRod 3/18/2020 10:13:30 AM (No. 349859)
The ''C'' in Covid-19 indicates the Chinese source. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Jobe 3/18/2020 11:46:27 AM (No. 349950)
I recall many years ago, reading a novel by Michael Crichton named The Andromeda Strain. It scared the hell out of me and I have had it in mind ever since. I am scientifically ignorant, and am almost 75 years old so I don't have as much future invested in defeating the corona-virus but I do have 7 grandchildren and three children won fathered and mothered those 7. Here I must add that I began my adult life as a staunch Democrat, however, the party left me in stages while it waded into the swamp that is modern leftism. As it got deeper in that swamp, I extricated myself from it and now, I find myself a STAUNCH conservative. In fact, I often describe my political position on the continuum of political positions as to the right of Attila the Hun. Of course, the fall of the USA seems to be unavoidable given the sorry state of our educational system, a system given over to the election of idiots like Biden and Bernie. The temptation is strong to throw in the towel and let what must be must be. I hope that I can withstand the urge.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Harlowe 3/18/2020 12:34:45 PM (No. 350003)
#5- The article “is here” because: - of freedom of speech/communication; - some people have limited time to scour numerous news sources to glean facts; - the article raises questions that deserve answers; - the article underscores/supports President Trump and the Coronavirus Task Force; - reveals the little-know fact that China is a co-founder of the World Health Organization; - reveals that China provides an enormous amount of funding to WHO; - raises the question of whether China’s massive funding of WHO influences WHO; - WHO, a specialized agency of the United Nations, is concerned with global public health; - there are questions about WHO’s management and financial transparency; - as of 2017, the USA was the largest contributor to WHO’s approximately $2 billion budget; - the AP showed WHO “routinely spent about $200 million annually on travel expenses; - it evokes the exchange of thoughts and ideas conducive to enlightenment.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: bighambone 3/18/2020 12:57:02 PM (No. 350029)
Who is to say at the moment that some unlucky Chinese person employed at the Chinese biological warfare laboratory located in Wuhan did not either intentionally, or unintentionally, become infected by a powerfully strong strain of what is now known as the Wuhan virus, and then did not either intentionally or unintentionally spread the virus around the Wuhan region infecting untold thousands of people. The immediate blame was put on the Wuhan livestock market which reportedly has been burned down and obliterated by the Communist Chinese authorities, nothing more to be seen there. If the Wuhan virus was spread by an employee of the Wuhan biological warfare laboratory and the Chinese authorities figure that out, you can bet your boots that employee has either died of the virus, or will be eliminated, with the world never being advised of the true cause of the initial virus infection.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Harlowe 3/18/2020 4:27:41 PM (No. 350197)
Addendum to #16,#5,EtAl- The article “is here” because: Note 3.47 PM post to this website from the Daily Caller (Author, Virginia Kruta) entitled, “Flashback Jan. 14 – WHO Tells Everyone Don’t Worry Because China Says Coronavirus Isn’t Contagious” and reconsider Laura Ingraham’s apt questions about China being a co-founder of WHO, China’s enormous monetary contribution to WHO, China’s possible influence over WHO.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: rikkitikki 3/18/2020 6:11:51 PM (No. 350307)
In 2011, the CDC's final lookback on the H1N1 virus concluded the following: 1. the 'all-in' mortality rate in the USA as 12,469 deaths out of 60.8 million cases (in three years)...from which the calculated mortality rate is 0.021%. 2. the final tally showed that there were 79 cases in the overall population for each case that actually tested positive. https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates/April_October_17.htm If similar ratios apply to COVID19, then the CDC is vastly overstating its mortality rate using only early time data...because they're as yet unable to estimate how many untested cases to factor into the calculation.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: RuckusTom 3/18/2020 6:56:54 PM (No. 350345)
Ha. Laura Ingraham. Made a name for herself outing homosexuals ... until her brother came out as gay. Ha.
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