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Greyhound vows to protect illegals, will
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Posted By: Imright, 2/22/2020 11:17:34 AM

Future Greyhound passengers beware, because going forward, rules and laws will apparently have no place on the transportation service’s infamous buses.In an emailed statement to the Associated Press, the 106-year-old company announced that it would no longer allow Department of Homeland Security officials to board its buses to conduct what have always been routine immigration checks. “[T]he company said it would notify the Department of Homeland Security that it does not consent to unwarranted searches on its buses or in areas of terminals that are not open to the public — such as company offices or any areas a person needs a ticket to access,”

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Reply 1 - Posted by: RedWhiteBlue 2/22/2020 11:28:21 AM (No. 326346)
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Reply 2 - Posted by: reefdiver 2/22/2020 11:30:50 AM (No. 326350)
Why is a search for law breakers "unwarranted"?
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Reply 3 - Posted by: cjjeepercreeper 2/22/2020 11:31:10 AM (No. 326351)
Just post an agent at the door to the bus, not on the bus.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Illinois Mom 2/22/2020 11:31:36 AM (No. 326352) the rest of us are all on notice that criminal foreign nationals can violate federal law and we are powerless to stop them. I've read, just this week, that the same people caught driving with fake, revoked, suspended or no drivers licensees cannot be arrested. Take that you stupid law abiding tax paying legal citizen. And...the kicker is that we must pay for their legal representatives on the off chance that they are actually arrested for murder, rape, assault or robbery. I'm sure the same courtesy would be extended to the rest of us if were did the same in their home countries.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: DVC 2/22/2020 11:36:14 AM (No. 326357)
I haven't ridden "the dog" in about 45 -50 years, but it wasn't too great back then. I doubt that this obnoxious, anti-American attitude will have much real impact on DHS/ICE enforcing the laws.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: bldrrepub 2/22/2020 11:36:28 AM (No. 326358)
Ummm folks, this is the heart of the 4th Amendment. If DHS wants to search, they need a warrant.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: bpl40 2/22/2020 11:51:38 AM (No. 326381)
I have doubt if any of the Fourth Amendment protections cover people who are in this country as a result of a law violation. Congress has given special powers to Customs and Immigration on this matter. I think the SCOTUS has not ruled one way or the other.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Right Time 2/22/2020 11:53:36 AM (No. 326382)
I would imagine that some federal agencies might want to go over the maintenance records of their bus fleet, safety checks, the driving records of its drivers, criminal background checks, number of hours driven between mandatory breaks, etc, I would imagine that Greyhound won't like what the feds find and might regret getting "Woke."
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Reply 9 - Posted by: lisa belanger 2/22/2020 11:54:59 AM (No. 326385)
they will be block because its travelling in other cities non sanctuary
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Reply 10 - Posted by: ramona 2/22/2020 11:55:25 AM (No. 326386)
The bus is a great way for people with absolutely no other choice to eventually get where they want to go. Otherwise I can't think of a good reason to ride with Greyhound. I occasionally take the train from Buffalo to Albany or NYC. Perhaps because this train comes from/goes to Canada, ICE always boards the train here. I wonder if Amtrak will follow the lead of Greyhound. Ramona (the Pest)
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Reply 11 - Posted by: MainelySane 2/22/2020 11:56:46 AM (No. 326389)
Líneas de bus Galgo ... It's new corporate name!
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Reply 12 - Posted by: John Gee 2/22/2020 11:58:09 AM (No. 326391)
4th Ammendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." "The People" refers to citizens only, not illegal aliens. Also, those illegal aliens' "person" is not being searched. Rather, they are themselves being identified as the invaders they are, and removed. Thus no warrant is needed and Greyhound is in violation of Federal Laws if they try this.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: bighambone 2/22/2020 12:00:42 PM (No. 326396)
The Border Patrol is considered a little bit special under existing law as they can conduct warrantless searches within 25 miles from any borderline, and that includes commercial vehicles that are suspected to be, and have a history of transporting illegal aliens within points in the USA. All of the West Coast of the USA within 25 miles of the Pacific Ocean is considered to be within 25 miles of a US border. It is clear that the Border Patrol has overwhelming evidence that huge numbers of illegal aliens over decades have been using commercial busses, including Greyhound buses to travel from borderline areas into the interior of the USA. In the case of Greyhound, much of their clientele are immigrants, in the USA both illegally and legally, so it is both commercially and politically advantageous in the West Coast leftist and liberal Democrat cities for the Greyhound Bus Company to defend and protect illegal aliens.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: cor-vet 2/22/2020 12:17:52 PM (No. 326422)
I'm assuming that Greyhound, crossing state borders, falls under the Commerce Dept. and as such, is subject to federal law. I could be wrong, but if not, just pull their license and the problem is solved!
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Catfur27 2/22/2020 12:19:58 PM (No. 326423)
...U.S. citizens...??....or illegal invaders....??... keep in mind who Greyhound is siding with.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: voxpopuli 2/22/2020 12:20:02 PM (No. 326424)
this will last until the first 250 BILLION dollar lawsuit against them for having an AMERICAN passenger by one of their "freedom riders" sue sue sue it's what they understand
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Geoman 2/22/2020 12:21:02 PM (No. 326426)
Re: #6 - The Supreme Court has interpreted the 4th to allow for "administrative exemptions,' such as when flying on commercial airlines. The key tie-in to the 4th, is the word "unreasonable" relative to searches and seizures. Greyhound, a federally regulated entity, could wind up with DHS/TSA checkpoints. No warrants needed.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: davew 2/22/2020 12:30:04 PM (No. 326434)
“It confirms the legal position that Greyhound’s critics have taken: that the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment prevents agents from boarding buses and questioning passengers without a warrant or the consent of the company.” Does this also apply to other felons such as kidnappers and murderers? Seem like a great getaway idea. Commit a crime and then hop on a Greyhound where they can't touch you. Maybe take a hostage just to be safe.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: seesfarwoman 2/22/2020 12:37:07 PM (No. 326441)
The Fourth Amendment applies to being secure from unreasonable search and seizure in the home, it hasn't been extended yet to buses.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: JediJerry 2/22/2020 12:56:36 PM (No. 326467)
That's a great policy for bus rides to Mexico or California.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: proactus 2/22/2020 12:56:51 PM (No. 326468)
Go Greyhound. And leave the smuggling to us.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: mobyclik 2/22/2020 1:06:31 PM (No. 326478)
Greyhound is terrified they'll lose MILLION$ from the illegals if DHS boards the buses. Follow the money.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: kono 2/22/2020 1:07:55 PM (No. 326480)
#7 misses that the 4th amendment isn't for protecting lawbreakers' rights, but to protect citizens from whatever kneejerk excuse an uppity lawman might have for searching people and their property this week. And since identifying who should or shouldn't be protected would require a search, then it just says no searching without a warrant.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Submariner 2/22/2020 1:13:26 PM (No. 326491)
Get woke go broke. On the road to Trumpenfreude.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: mc squared 2/22/2020 1:17:29 PM (No. 326498)
Townie cops can order you to exit your vehicle. Couldn't the Feds order everyone off the bus? Then Greyhound has no say. Arrest the driver if he refuses. You and I would be put in bracelets.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: DVC 2/22/2020 1:36:34 PM (No. 326521)
I imagine that if ICE really wanted to make it inconvenient for The Dog, they could stop every bus, just as it pulls out of the station, order everyone off and check them there, if they aren't allowed to do it in the station, and prior to the normal departure time. Old saying, "We can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way. It doesn't make any difference to me, your choice."
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Reply 27 - Posted by: Osprey21 2/22/2020 1:36:49 PM (No. 326522)
So I guess people still DO ride the ghetto jet.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Felixed 2/22/2020 2:02:01 PM (No. 326565)
I don't protect lawbreakers often. But when I do, it's always in the best interests of my bottom line.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: golden 2/22/2020 2:07:35 PM (No. 326577)
You can always use flixbus.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: 901AtTheRiver 2/22/2020 2:10:09 PM (No. 326580)
So is the Company ready to arm the drivers, or what?
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Reply 31 - Posted by: ROLFNader 2/22/2020 2:20:43 PM (No. 326594)
@#7- Maybe SCOTUS hasn't ruled on it but COTUS has( Constitution Of The United States)- loud and clear!
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Reply 32 - Posted by: Chuzzles 2/22/2020 2:33:30 PM (No. 326610)
Don't they have to have some kind of license to operate nationwide? Time to suspend their right to go nationwide I guess. I think that #3 might be on to something. Sorry #6 but the amendment doesn't protect lawbreakers, and it certainly shouldn't prevent ICE from tracking down the illegals. They don't usually stop and search unless they have real good probably cause.
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Reply 33 - Posted by: BarryNo 2/22/2020 3:00:14 PM (No. 326634)
Real simple: if the drivers tell the ICE they can't check the passengers, arrest the driver and check him, first, and leave the bus at the side of the road.
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Reply 34 - Posted by: coldoc 2/22/2020 3:55:35 PM (No. 326672)
Then ban greyhound from using federal highways/interstates.
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Reply 35 - Posted by: Mushroom 2/22/2020 4:21:54 PM (No. 326691)
MegaBus must really be hurting business for them to come up wit this policy. MegaBus runs non stop routs between border communities and Chicago, and East Coast Cities.
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Reply 36 - Posted by: dirtyjersey 2/22/2020 4:49:52 PM (No. 326714)
Ok, Greyhound. It’s your bus and all, but this is our highway. So unless you have a crane to remove your bus from our asphalt, we have a predicament. Don’t you think?
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Reply 37 - Posted by: Rumblehog 2/22/2020 5:10:44 PM (No. 326734)
So now we know how they "migrate" around the country. Time to shut down this company.
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Reply 38 - Posted by: coldborezero 2/22/2020 5:26:54 PM (No. 326742)
Re#19: Please read the fourth amendment in its entirety: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." Note that the first line reads, "The right of the people to be secure in their PERSONS, houses, papers, and effects,..." (emphasis added). That right applies not just in the home, but to one's person, regardless of location. However, the Supreme Court has held that statutes requiring suspects to disclose their names during a police "Terry" stop do not violate the Fourth Amendment if the statute first requires reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal involvement (Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004).
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Reply 39 - Posted by: XCenturion 2/22/2020 5:30:52 PM (No. 326744)
The motor vehicle exception was first established by the United States Supreme Court in 1925, in Carroll v. United States. The motor vehicle exception allows an officer to search a vehicle without a search warrant as long as he or she has probable cause to believe that evidence or contraband is located in the vehicle. The exception is based on the idea that there is a lower expectation of privacy in motor vehicles due to the regulations under which they operate. Greyhound must abide by laws and regulations set forth by the U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT), Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA). Failure to comply will ALL Federal regulations could result in civill or criminal penalties. The following is taken directly from the USDOT website: "Interstate motorcoach operations are regulated by the FMCSA. As the Federal agency responsible for safety oversight of commercial motor vehicle operations, FMCSA and our law enforcement partners enforce and administer applicable Federal laws and regulations. Motorcoach companies and their drivers and vehicles are subject to inspection by Federal, State, and local authorities. A violation of a law or regulation could result in a fine, a penalty, or the driver, vehicle or entire motor carrier operation being ordered out-of-service."
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Reply 40 - Posted by: BarryNo 2/22/2020 5:57:11 PM (No. 326770)
BTW, all these little exceptions to the Fourth Amendment, were orchestrated by Democrats or their appointees.
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Reply 41 - Posted by: anniebc 2/22/2020 7:46:06 PM (No. 326850)
Good luck with that, Greyhound.
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Reply 42 - Posted by: DVC 2/22/2020 11:21:46 PM (No. 326990)
Thanks, #39, looks like The Dog has 'screwed the pooch' on this one, has no legal leg to stand on.
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Reply 43 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623 2/23/2020 2:03:30 AM (No. 327033)
Personally, I am sick of their "rights" and We the People paying for it all. If one of us robbed a bank and hopped on the bus, what do you think our rights would be at the moment? Never rode on a Greyhound and this makes it permanent.
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In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, libertarian superstar Clint Eastwood said he’s backing Mike Bloomberg over Donald Trump. (Snip) In a word, he’s uncomfortable with Trump’s temperament. (Snip) As for the domestic political scene, Mr. Eastwood seems disheartened. “The politics has gotten so ornery,” he says, hunching his shoulders in resignation. He approves of “certain things that Trump’s done” but wishes the president would act “in a more genteel way, without tweeting and calling people names. I would personally like for him to not bring himself to that level.” As he drives me back to my hotel, (Snip) “The best thing we could do is just get Mike Bloomberg in there.”
Justice Sonia Sotomayor:
Supreme Court 'putting a thumb on the scale' for Trump
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Posted by tisHimself 2/23/2020 3:42:00 AM Post Reply
Justice Sonia Sotomayor said she is concerned the Supreme Court is going out of its way to help the Trump administration. The high court voted along ideological lines on Friday to grant the Trump administration's demand for an emergency request to stay an injunction in an Illinois case regarding the restriction of low-income immigrants from entering the United States. Sotomayor wrote in an opinion that her conservative colleagues on the Supreme Court, who have the majority, are “putting a thumb on the scale in favor of” the Trump administration.
Richard Grenell Begins
Overhauling Intelligence Office,
Prompting Fears of Partisanship
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Posted by StormCnter 2/22/2020 8:43:31 AM Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Richard Grenell’s tenure as the nation’s top intelligence official may be short-lived, but he wasted no time this week starting to shape his team of advisers, ousting his office’s No. 2 official — a longtime intelligence officer — and bringing in an expert on Trump conspiracy theories to help lead the agency, according to officials. Mr. Grenell has also requested the intelligence behind the classified briefing last week before the House Intelligence Committee where officials told lawmakers that Russia was interfering in November’s presidential election
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