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What 'illegal order' is John Kelly
referring to about Alexander Vindman?

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Posted By: earlybird, 2/14/2020 6:44:53 PM

It’s former White House chief of staff John Kelly’s turn to be the media’s new hero for a moment after he said some mildly critical things about President Trump. But I’m really confused about the part of his recent speech to some college students that’s getting the most play on cable news because it suggests Kelly has either a false recollection of events or simply doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Kelly, according to the Atlantic, said in his speech that former National Security Council aide Alexander Vindman did the right thing when he reported having overheard an “illegal order” in the phone call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky,


Kelly is wrong. Those of us who read the transcript, which Vindman agreed was accurate, know there was no “illegal order” given. Why would our President be giving an order of any kind to the head of state of another country? What is Kelly smoking? Or is he just blinded by TDS?

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Reply 1 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 2/14/2020 7:05:26 PM (No. 318773)
"True, all evidence suggests Trump was withholding congressionally approved foreign aid for Ukraine" NO, that is not true. There was a hold for review of the funding, a not uncommon occurrence. The money was released within the designated timeline. Further, no mention was made of the hold to Ukraine and they were completely unaware of it until American journalists made a "thing" of it, and I believe it had already been released by then. "no indication that Vindman did anything improper or illegal" Yeah, well Vindman works for the President. In both job and military propriety, he should be working within the executive branch to review differences of opinion, not running to Schiff to "report" a private Presidential phone call that broke NO laws but merely disturbed Vindman's person sense of the "proper". What he did was all sorts of improper. As to jumping outside his chain of command, THAT may have been illegal. As to Kelly, as indicated, there was no "order", illegal or otherwise, so Kelly is a moron.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: HPmatt 2/14/2020 7:15:05 PM (No. 318777)
I just don’t give anti-Trumpers the benefit of a doubt. Life is too short to believe anything they allege. Not gonna change their closed minds anyway.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Starboard_side 2/14/2020 7:28:59 PM (No. 318782)
There was no "illegal order". Vindman's own testimony said he was essentially alarmed that Trump was not going through the normal channels, and he wasn't sticking to the prepared talking points. What this means, Trump was inquiring about things that had been kept under wraps by Marie Yankovich, the former ambassador of Ukraine, and Vindman was simply alerting all of the players he was likely also protecting with a heads-up. That's the takeaway I sensed from the Bull Schiff hearings. Gen. Kelly knows Vindman was not asked to do anything that was illegal by this president. Maybe some other people, but not this president.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: jar 2/14/2020 7:31:34 PM (No. 318784)
Still wondering why Trump appointed Kelly in the first place.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Cousair 2/14/2020 7:37:46 PM (No. 318787)
If our country has sunk to a level where entrenched lifetime bureaucrat can override a duly elected president and interfere with his daily decisions of everyday operations. Why do we need the ritual of elections every four years?
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Lawsy0 2/14/2020 7:51:51 PM (No. 318792)
I find it time-wasting to read what disgruntled former employees have to say. After all, if they work at the pleasure of the President, they also work for me.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: XCenturion 2/14/2020 8:16:01 PM (No. 318810)
John Kelly has exposed himself as just another Trump hating treacherous swamp creature. You just wonder how many more John Kelly's or Vindman's are serving in the military and hold secret clearance positions with the NSA.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: lisa belanger 2/14/2020 8:32:41 PM (No. 318816)
big mouth they cannot keep quiet
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Reply 9 - Posted by: SezzieBear 2/14/2020 8:37:15 PM (No. 318819)
Wasn't it yesterday someone in the media asked POTUS if he knew who anonymous was? I think we got the answer today.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: judy 2/14/2020 9:42:51 PM (No. 318837)
Didn’t Condi Rice recommend Tillerson , Maddis & Kelly?
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Reply 11 - Posted by: NYbob 2/14/2020 9:52:11 PM (No. 318838)
Someone should remind Kelly that things he says have a large amount of legal jeopardy for him. People make assumptions and it could be charged that he is trying to promote a LIE as the truth. If I was in charge of any kind of PR for this administration, I would suggest a press conference for Kelly to explain the difference between his mistaken opinion and what actually happened, or face a prosecution of being part of the organized effort to overthrow this administration by illegal means. Even a general would understand that.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: bpl40 2/14/2020 10:33:46 PM (No. 318858)
Tillerson, Maddis and Kelly all accepted appointments in a new Administration in the expectation that they could lead an inexperienced Chief Executive by the nose ring and get power and influence not available to their predecessors. When they found out this POTUS was nobody's fool they got disgruntled and left. Now, they should stay out.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: MDConservative 2/15/2020 9:24:13 AM (No. 319085)
Whoooo, the great, heroic veteran and leader of men General Kelly seems to be losing his lustre.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: DVC 2/15/2020 10:19:24 AM (No. 319184)
Glad Kelly is gone. Never trusted that man.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Rumblehog 2/15/2020 1:00:40 PM (No. 319417)
Kelly's ignorance is stunning. In the military an "illegal order" is along the lines of ordering soldiers to burn down a village and shoot the fleeing civilians. A soldier's disagreement over foreign policy, OR having a disagreement of what constitutes a foreign policy is NOT the purview of a soldier, even of the highest rank. One look no further than 5-Star General Douglas MacArthur in Korea for that.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: tom7 2/18/2020 9:27:36 PM (No. 322834)
John Kelly has shown himself to be a total jackass.
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