Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Roberts speaks
out, asks UK public to 'stand up beside’ her

Why go public now; the me-too movement? Who is paying Ms. Roberts’ expenses? Attorney fees? Ms. Roberts said “In the car, Ghislaine tells me that I have to do for Andrew what I do for Jeffrey--...” To later state she “...sat there in bed, just horrified and ashamed and felt dirty” after an admission of what may have been sexual encounters with Epstein somehow rings hollow. Lastly, not the least of which, coincidental or otherwise, Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate gets drawn into the revelation. Might there be a political element tied to this particular revelation? Is it coincidental that the BBC Panorama aired the same evening President and Mrs. Trump arrived in London for the NATO summit? These self-revelations of past sexual encounters that target prominent figures may be justified; however, in doing so, the accuser opens her wounds and may cause pain and suffering to her family. Likewise, whether the accusations are true or not, the accuser causes pain and suffering to the families of the men being accused—and some men may not be guilty as charged. Perhaps Prince Andrew is one of them.

She accepted payment for sex at 17 years of age which means that: 1. She was of legal age of consent; 2. It was a business transaction; 3. She's a prostitute;

Well, first the lefties told us to ignore the numerous sexual assault accusations against HillBilly Clinton. Then they told us to believe anything the female tells us truth be damned during the Kavanaugh hearings. Now, what will they demand we believe? I guess it depends on if Prince Andy or the accuser can be of political benefit to them. Then it will be either hands-off the accused or If he is a Republican or Conservative, believe the woman at all costs. As the OP stated, most of us have a healthy degree of skepticism of these charges, especially the timing of the accusations. Personally, I guess I'll keep an open mind until some evidence is forthcoming. I'm always reminded of Judge Moore in these types of things when posted here. Nevertheless, if he is guilty, he needs to man up and face the music. If he's not, well they'll have to go fishing in another pond.

The story makes little sense. First she is a 14 year old, who just happens to work as a locker room attendant at Trump's Mar-a-Lago (even 20 years ago, were 14 year olds permitted to work in workplaces large enough to have to follow lbor laws?). She talks of having a rough life, but provides no details. Then suddenly she's 17, in London, at coincidentally, the exclusive Trump club (???), and there is Andrew who she has sex with, and although it was "just like with Epstein" (or something?) she is horrified. And now she asks the British people to "stand beside her". ???? What had she been doing in the intervening 3 years? What is the age of consent in England? This woman't story is like a slice of Swiss cheese.

I expect someone planted visions of endless $100 bills flowing her way when Epstein was targeted. When Epstein died, she had to reinforce her claim to the big bucks from Epstein's account, and maybe squeeze a couple of million out of Andrew. To do that, suddenly she needs to impose a few modifications to her story: "It was horrible and this guy was sweating all over me. His sweat was like it was raining basically everywhere. I was just like grossed out from it, but I knew I had to keep him happy because that’s what Jeffrey and Ghislaine would expect from me." I'm sure her attorney is awaiting an offer of settlement and non-disclosure agreement from the royal family. It may never come, but that's what they're waiting for. I'm waiting for one of Epstein's girls to finger Bill Clinton. But then, there's always the risk of Arkancide when dealing with the Clintons.

I noticed that too. She didn't looked tortured and didn't even look drugged up like a zombie. A lot of girls that age run away from home, thinking they are ready to live and be treated like an adult woman. She wouldn't be the first to have gotten herself into something she regretted.

Sad if true and we may never know. My first thought was Who has it out for Andrew ? Is it to shine the light off Slick ?

Thrust an underage girl whose poverty has made her vulnerable into a world she could only imagine in her dreams and I think a little compassion might be warranted. I hate these stories of sexual abuse that pop up decades later, but that does not diminish the fact that this kid was exploited by people who knowingly used her for their own depraved reasons. Epstein was just a piece of scum whose wealth was acquired by providing very young girls to sexually perverted individuals for their pleasure. Maxwell was the conduit for procurement and also a willing participant in training and abusing these girls. They lured the girls in with a glimpse of a lifestyle that was so far out of their reach that it had to blow their minds. They received a great deal of money and promises of travel to exotic locations they had only seen in movies or on television. That is a lot to take in at 15, 16, or even 17. I do believe the girls were manipulated by these evil people. Without them, they had nothing to offer the rich and famous whose sexual appetites had become so jaded that they required ever younger victims to satiate their depravity. Most kids are vulnerable to adults with an agenda whether it be sexual or not and can be manipulated by someone like Maxwell and Epstein. This story is especially disturbing to most of us because it reveals a truth that we would rather not think about and that is there are people in the ruling class that operate as if the rules do not apply to them. They go through life destroying anything that they please in order to satisfy some desire they have whether it be wealth, position, power or sexual desire. It is particularly disgusting when they target young girls or boys who are vulnerable because of poverty or a troubled home life and there are many young people who fall into that category. Epstein and Maxwell were predators, manipulators and sexual abusers who used wealth, promises, and fear to lure and keep these kids doing what they wanted. The balance of power in this debauched relationship was heavily weighted only on one side. This kid had zero power and to strip her of the truth because she is a nobody going up against the high and mighty is exactly why Epstein and Maxwell were able to play their perverted game as long as they did. Unwind this story and we will get a glimpse of the movers and shakers in this world who are willing to use and abuse young girls and no doubt boys to satiate a desire that would put anyone else in jail. This is all about wealth and power defying the law and basic decency. It is their dirty little secret fueled by arrogance, wealth and power. They are desperately trying to keep a lid on their degeneracy.

No. 1 Prince Andrew is lying shamelessly, demonstrating that he knew that what he did was gravely wrong. No. 2 He took advantage of a young and vulnerable girl who had been drawn into a sordid situation by adults who knew better. He could have walked away from it. He chose not to. No. 3 His moral failure is shocking, especially given his privileges of birth and responsibilities to his family and country. He has disgraced himself, his family and the royal family. His apologists, inside and outside of the UK, are compounding the evil behavior. No. 4 If he is not fully subjected to the criminal and civil laws that govern this kind of abhorrent behavior, there will be an indelible stain on the credibility of the UK Crown. No. 5 Some things transcend politics. This is one of them.

This may undue the royal family if handled badly. There is more coming out.