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Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk, 11/23/2019 3:55:48 PM

Top officials in the US Navy threatened to resign or be fired should President Trump follow through with an order to keep disgraced Navy SEAL Edward Gallagher in the service, The New York Times reported. The threats from Navy Secretary Richard Spencer and Rear Adm. Collin Green, who leads the SEALs, left the Department of Defense scrambling for a compromise, the paper reported. Spencer says Gallagher should be judged by his peers. (Snip) Gallagher was convicted in July of illegally posing with the dead body of an ISIS fighter. The decision resulted in a rank and pay-grade demotion — and potentially the loss of his Navy SEALs Trident Pin.

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Note: For a supposed "conservative" newspaper, the headline STINKS. It's these officers that are disgraceful.

President Trump has made it clear that he is standing to protect SEAL Edward Gallagher. They are 0bama holdover that know the Military Code of Justice and therefore are showing complete disrespect to their commanding officer. Maybe a court-martial would help.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: NYbob 11/23/2019 4:01:26 PM (No. 243458)
Good. Go for it, and reject all your sweet perks. Just walk away you principled heroes you. Show us the real deal.
75 people like this.

Reply 2 - Posted by: coldoc 11/23/2019 4:03:17 PM (No. 243460)
Pure bluff.
49 people like this.

Reply 3 - Posted by: stablemoney 11/23/2019 4:03:41 PM (No. 243461)
Send your resignations in please. They will be processed and your release date will be immediate. Thank you.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: chumley 11/23/2019 4:05:57 PM (No. 243463)
The disgrace is that they are so quick to hang one of their own. I noticed that about some political officers during the '90's. They would wipe out any career without even a second thought if it was politically expedient to do so. The good officers who had the respect of their troops were far more rare.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: bogeegolf 11/23/2019 4:09:43 PM (No. 243466)
Ok See ya!
45 people like this.

Reply 6 - Posted by: mean Gene 11/23/2019 4:11:18 PM (No. 243468)
Every one of those hundreds of Obama-placed soy boys who are now in top military positions ought to be drummed out. As many of those over 400 real military leaders who wish to come back after Obama pushed them out ought to be allowed back in at their old pay grade and rank. Obama added the US military to his swamp. Drain it.
78 people like this.

Reply 7 - Posted by: Talega 11/23/2019 4:22:38 PM (No. 243479)
Breaks my heart that the Swamp has infiltrated by beloved military....
41 people like this.

Reply 8 - Posted by: judy 11/23/2019 4:26:42 PM (No. 243483)
Gallagher said on Fox they would never leave him alone, he was correct. So Gallagher should be judged by his peers.. the peers selected by Spencer & Green. Come on be fair. After all they should have been court marshaled for spying on Gallagher’s legal team.
28 people like this.

Reply 9 - Posted by: Calico Al 11/23/2019 4:32:05 PM (No. 243485)
Who needs ya?
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Reply 10 - Posted by: bighambone 11/23/2019 4:32:36 PM (No. 243486)
If they want to leave the USN, President Trump’s history shows that he will be happy to oblige. This seems crazy, that Admiral will not resign his commission if he does anything he will retire, because if Gallagher stays in the SEALs they could easily sideline him with some do nothing job on Adak Island or some other vacation location until he retires. Instead they are risking their careers by publicly disagreeing with a decision of the Commander in Chief involving an E7’s already earned achievement award. If Obama was still President they would already be gone, with the liberal media praising that Obama decision. You did not see any General Officers claim they were going quit when Obama was trying to project the Army deserter Bodie Bergdahl into some sort of hero including inviting Bergdahl’s parents to the White House.!
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Reply 11 - Posted by: hurricanegirl 11/23/2019 4:33:44 PM (No. 243487)
Wonderful! THIS is how you clean out the scum!
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Luandir 11/23/2019 4:37:32 PM (No. 243491)
How many equivalent "top officials" were willing to speak out like this when Obama gave deserter Bowe Bergdahl a totally undeserved hero's welcome? Their repeated invocation of "process" shows their allegiance is to the bureaucracy. This is why we have a Commander in Chief: to exercise human judgment and control over the "process."
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Lucky5 11/23/2019 4:38:57 PM (No. 243492)
Good leave. Who needs people like that?
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Reply 14 - Posted by: HotRod 11/23/2019 4:40:40 PM (No. 243494)
Good news! The Obama brass need cleaning out. We need real warriors in Navy leadership.
33 people like this.

Reply 15 - Posted by: lakerman1 11/23/2019 4:41:24 PM (No. 243495)
Count backwards in years, and you will find the origins of much of this political infestation of the officer corps begins with Dollar Bill Clinton's first term as president. He, Lady Lucifer, and their aides, loathed the military. Barack Obola was no better.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: BillW. 11/23/2019 4:42:29 PM (No. 243496)
Hey, ladies, don't let the door hit you on the way out. KAG2020
27 people like this.

Reply 17 - Posted by: Nashman 11/23/2019 4:42:37 PM (No. 243497)
Accepted. Bye.
25 people like this.

Reply 18 - Posted by: cor-vet 11/23/2019 4:44:53 PM (No. 243501)
That's quite some crime to get this bent out of shape over, a picture with a dead Taliban? If that's all it takes to get their panties in a wad, they aren't really warriors, and won't be missed.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: watashiyo 11/23/2019 4:46:26 PM (No. 243503)
President has the final say, not THEM! Hope THEM gets fired or maybe the Navy Seals can take care of THEM.
18 people like this.

Reply 20 - Posted by: Hermit_Crab 11/23/2019 4:47:07 PM (No. 243505)
Good riddance; you 0bama Perfumed Princes. As per usual, the Perfumed Political Princes hate the actual warriors, the ones that actually get the job done, even before 0bama came along to corrupt them even worse.
24 people like this.

Reply 21 - Posted by: udanja99 11/23/2019 5:01:20 PM (No. 243512)
Awesome! You will NOT be missed!
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Mother of AL 11/23/2019 5:04:33 PM (No. 243514)
Good!! Let them leave. Trump needs to clean house of ALL 0'S appointments. I worry if we are attacked again, they will not follow Trump's orders, and people will die. So get them out!
18 people like this.

Reply 23 - Posted by: Jean123 11/23/2019 5:06:04 PM (No. 243515)
And yet no one threatened to resign after the Bowe Bergdahl fiasco. Hmmmm....
27 people like this.

Reply 24 - Posted by: ginadee 11/23/2019 5:12:49 PM (No. 243517)
so resign already! have nice day.....
14 people like this.

Reply 25 - Posted by: PostAway 11/23/2019 5:14:41 PM (No. 243518)
I think resigning after 20 years is the same as retiring as far as benefits are concerned. But navigating the shoals of fighting with honor against a cruel and amoral enemy is necessarily controversial. Differences of opinion, often heartfelt, will abound. Our society is divided in many ways and one way is between those who believe righteous fury should be demonstrated with little restraint and those who believe it should be tempered. The President should respond to this situation guided by his beliefs and if those under his command believe he is wrong and that Gallagher’s return taints their honor the appropriate response is for them to resign. Like the old Dave Mason song said, “there ain’t no good guys, there ain’t no bad guys, there’s only you and me and we just disagree.” What concerns me, though, is how remaining members of the SEALs are to make of sense of this division of opinion in future situations.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: fayebeck 11/23/2019 5:15:06 PM (No. 243519)
We can lose wars with 'em and we can lose without 'em. Keelhaul the "heroes".
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Reply 27 - Posted by: Hermit_Crab 11/23/2019 5:25:03 PM (No. 243524)
Although I have a feeling that this is just bluster... Much like the movie stars etc. who loudly, and with spittle spraying, threatened to go live in some other nation if Trump were elected; these guys will stay on, sucking at the taxpayer teat (and just plain sucking), and making under-the table deals with defense contractors, until they are forced out.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: charliesea 11/23/2019 5:26:02 PM (No. 243525)
This should not even see the President's desk. The Secretary of Defense should handle this by firing the personnel involved. If he will not then show him the door and find someone that will do the job. Chain of Command, Chain of Command, Chain of Command! To paraphrase the song: "That you don't tug on Superman's cape; You don't spit into the wind; You don't pull the mask off that ol' Lone Ranger; And you don't mess around with Trump".
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Reply 29 - Posted by: Submariner 11/23/2019 5:37:23 PM (No. 243533)
The Admiral would lose only additional retirement points, very marginally affecting monthly retirement pay. But since he is on record, if the C-In-C keeps Chief Gallagher in the service, he won't have a choice but retire. There are probably a number of good candidates for SECNAV. It was clear from testimony that Chief Gallagher did not kill the ISIS "fighter". Everyone of my Navy friends who commented on his acquittal on appeal were, like me, relieved. Maybe the C-In-C should let them go *now*.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: Daisymay 11/23/2019 5:38:20 PM (No. 243534)
I don't know much of anything Military (except the fact that my Husband served during the Vietnam war). It looks to me like Gallagher is never going to get a fair deal from the Military. Why not give him an Honorable Discharge and let him move on with his life? Looks to me like he has served honorably for many years. I salute anyone who does that! What a shame the Military is trying to throw mud at a guy's name after he has dedicated his adult life to serving! Stinks in my humble opinion!
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Reply 31 - Posted by: bassman 11/23/2019 5:46:14 PM (No. 243540)
GO!!...and take Vindman with ya!!(I know he's not Navy but what the heck!)
10 people like this.

Reply 32 - Posted by: PageTurner 11/23/2019 5:50:52 PM (No. 243544)
President Trump should fire them and do it for them.
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Reply 33 - Posted by: Right Time 11/23/2019 5:53:05 PM (No. 243546)
After these d-heads challenged their President in the news, they have left Trump no choice. Shut down their email and security access, and send a squad of MPs to accompany them in cleaning their office
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Reply 34 - Posted by: Heraclitus 11/23/2019 5:53:19 PM (No. 243547)
Wait a minute. Isn't this mutiny? or close to it; mutinous... abandoning ship?
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Reply 35 - Posted by: jhpeters2 11/23/2019 5:55:20 PM (No. 243549)
Admiral Spencer. Please place your finger in a bowl of water. Remove your finger and tell me how much time that hole you made in the water lasts. You can be be, and probably will be replaced in that same amount of time. Thank you for your service - time for you to go. You answer to the commander in chief, but you probably forgot that. There are better officers than you who will do a better job than you. Don't let the door...
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Reply 36 - Posted by: TLCary 11/23/2019 5:59:54 PM (No. 243552)
Admiral Green has demonstrated a very public insubordination. Fire him and give Gallagher his job.
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Reply 37 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX 11/23/2019 6:03:38 PM (No. 243554)
Excellent! Toss out some of the Obama rubbish.
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Reply 38 - Posted by: Vesicant 11/23/2019 6:14:21 PM (No. 243561)
Don't let the bulkhead door hit you on the way out. Bosun, pipe "Navy departing," please.
9 people like this.

Reply 39 - Posted by: Shmowry1 11/23/2019 6:22:29 PM (No. 243573)
Perfect. Swamp draining itself.
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Reply 40 - Posted by: Gordon Freeman 11/23/2019 6:28:07 PM (No. 243576)
I guess the brass has forgotten what war is? It's not always strictly professional, it can get crazy sometimes.
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Reply 41 - Posted by: Strike3 11/23/2019 6:28:34 PM (No. 243577)
There is nothing more pompous, obnoxious and condescending in the US Military than a high-ranking Navy officer. I always seemed to get duty stations that held the worst of them. They lost the argument with the CIC and they should have kept their big mouths shut. Naval officers have a long history of screwing things up, like losing an intelligence ship, the USS Pueblo, to the North Koreans in 1968 and messing up the rescue attempt of the hostages in Tehran during the Carter years by insisting on using Navy helicopters in the rescue attempt that were not up to the job. Then there is the showboat attack on Grenada where they unnecessarily dropped SEALs into a rough ocean at night and drowned several of them. Then there was the disaster in Panama where they hung SEALs out to dry on an open airfield while chasing Noriega. Not exactly stellar records for any of them.
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Reply 42 - Posted by: Pammie 11/23/2019 6:37:42 PM (No. 243585)
Don't let the door hit you on your way out! What a bunch of cowards! GO Trump!
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Reply 43 - Posted by: lisa belanger 11/23/2019 6:51:18 PM (No. 243592)
bye bye you do not tell the president what to do he tells you what to do....go get your pension and go on cnn and bad mouth gallagher and the pres
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Reply 44 - Posted by: Putnam 11/23/2019 7:01:08 PM (No. 243604)
Time for another retired Rear Admiral.
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Reply 45 - Posted by: anniebc 11/23/2019 7:07:36 PM (No. 243616)
Fine with me. Bye Felicias.
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Reply 46 - Posted by: BarryNo 11/23/2019 7:10:31 PM (No. 243622)
Buh-Bye... Don't let the door hit your stern as you leave port. I'm sure your buddy Soros will find you a safe berth.
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Reply 47 - Posted by: Rumblehog 11/23/2019 7:21:54 PM (No. 243635)
Good to get rid of more Obama Field Grade Officers.
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Reply 48 - Posted by: JunkYardDog 11/23/2019 7:26:45 PM (No. 243642)
Well, if they do resign, at least they're honest about their convictions. Better that they resign and step aside for some other qualified person. Too bad more diplomats and other deep state bureaucrats don't follow this example!
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Reply 49 - Posted by: earlybird 11/23/2019 7:29:51 PM (No. 243645)
Sounds as though we have a quorum and a vote and their resigning wins. O-kay….
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Reply 50 - Posted by: DVC 11/23/2019 7:37:18 PM (No. 243652)
Excellent news! Like a self-cleaning oven! Perfect to get these worthless jerks out of there.
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Reply 51 - Posted by: XCenturion 11/23/2019 8:40:37 PM (No. 243708)
Mr. President. Call their bluff and accept their resignations. There are lot's of qualified individuals ready to fill their positions. And while you're at it sir, you might want to have the Army reassign Lt. Col. Vindman to a new post in the Aleutian Islands.
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Reply 52 - Posted by: MOAB 11/23/2019 8:52:03 PM (No. 243720)
It's past time to fire every last one of the Obama promoted military leadership and replace them who love and respect the men and women serving our nation.........hoorah!
2 people like this.

Reply 53 - Posted by: Sergeant Major 11/23/2019 8:52:28 PM (No. 243721)
Admiral Greene just gave the Commander in Chief an ultimatum. My questions is "why is he still on active duty?" There should have been an order from the top on down for him to pack his sea bag and unass this base immediately after his statement was public. You never, never give a superior an ultimatum, end of message.
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Reply 54 - Posted by: preciosodrogas 11/23/2019 9:17:21 PM (No. 243739)
The tv trope of if you strike at the king you had better see him dead. (h/t RW Emerson) Should apply. #10, Adak, isn't that closed. It use to be a NAS for PBYs, P-2s and P-3s. Although, if it is, it would make an even better choice. Anyhow, I believe these dopes have an Art. 88 problem. And I agree with the poster that this should never reach PDT as it should be short-stopped by the Department.
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Reply 55 - Posted by: earlybird 11/23/2019 9:31:39 PM (No. 243751)
This report has turned out to be at least partial rubbish…Green never threatened to resign. And Secretary Spencer (a civilian) has said that reports of his threatening to resign were erroneous. I just posted a Fox News article on that change of story. Apparently the AP was the first to put it out… We know how accurate they are.
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Reply 56 - Posted by: Lawsy0 11/23/2019 11:34:08 PM (No. 243819)
Saber rattling might make them BMOC in the officers' mess.. Any officer turning in his ticket now would look like a walking disciplinary for opposing the C-in-C (unless you were GIVEN your rank instead of earning it).
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Reply 57 - Posted by: agrunt 11/24/2019 12:36:47 PM (No. 244242)
Wow. I didn't think it would be so easy to get rid of the trash.
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Reply 58 - Posted by: SALady 11/24/2019 12:58:35 PM (No. 244270)
As my Granny use to say, "don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you!!!!" Nobody in the military, especially so-called "leaders" should ever put politics over what is best for this country and for the military they serve!!!! Quitting is the best thing they can do for everyone concerned, and this nation as a whole!!!!!
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CNN’s Brian Stelter ended his Sunday show with a segment claiming that President Donald Trump is a “destructive cult leader” who is “using mind control.” Stelter began the segment by claiming that “the word ‘Cult’ has been popping up more and more,” using Anthony Scaramucci, who has been acting like a jilted lover, as an example.(Tweet/Video) Stelter’s guest was Steven Hassan, author of The Cult of Trump, who was a member of the Unification Church cult of the ‘70s,
WhiskeyWarrior556 falls victim
to New York’s red flag laws
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Posted by Bluehouse 11/24/2019 11:24:30 AM Post Reply
On Friday, police showed up to a young man’s workplace and tried to arrest him over social media posts reported to them by an old army buddy of the 28-year-old Afghanistan veteran. This man, known as Alex and popular on Instagram under the handle of WhiskeyWarrior556, slipped out of the back door, hurried home to check on his family where he found out police had already forced themselves into his home and confiscated his legal firearms after threatening his wife with calling child protective services to remove her newborn child. Alex then barricaded himself inside his own attic, unarmed. Law enforcement
Impeachment Is Destroying Democrats 29 replies
Posted by Pluperfect 11/24/2019 4:15:42 AM Post Reply
The goal of the House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and other Democratic Party leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives has been to use the impeachment inquiry to destroy President Donald Trump. They hope to impeach him, followed by conviction and removal from the U.S. Senate. Otherwise, they believe he will be so politically damaged that he will resign before the next election. Ironically, the exact opposite political result is occurring. The past two weeks, the nation was subjected to partisan impeachment hearings orchestrated by House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA). The process has been unfair to not only House Republicans but also to the target of their investigation, President Trump.
WaPo reporter: We’re hearing behind the
scenes that more House Dems are getting
“cold feet” about impeachment
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Posted by MissMolly 11/25/2019 4:34:28 AM Post Reply
’ll take the opportunity up front to double down on this post from Friday. I’d bet my life savings plus several internal organs that Pelosi will have 218 to impeach. That’s based on the simple reality that failing to do so at this point would cost Democrats more politically than proceeding with impeachment would. Voters who hate Trump would be furious and voters who like Trump wouldn’t give Pelosi and Schiff an ounce of credit for standing down in the end. The president would gloat about it every day unto eternity. Pelosi, long respected by both sides for her ability to whip votes, would be humiliated utterly.
Joe Biden says Stacey Abrams, Sally Yates
could be potential VP picks while speaking in Iowa
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Posted by NorthernDog 11/24/2019 10:29:14 AM Post Reply
WINTERSET, Iowa — Former Vice President Joe Biden on Friday night identified several prominent Democratic women who he said could serve as his vice president if he is elected president. At a town hall, Biden was asked who his vice presidential pick would be if he wins the Democratic nomination. "You. Are you available?" Biden joked to the questioner, before giving a serious answer. Biden didn't name anyone specifically but said there are a number of people who are qualified. "I could start naming people but the press will think that’s who I picked," he said, before obliquely referring to
Two (!) polls find black
approval of Trump at 34%
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Posted by M2 11/25/2019 6:32:25 AM Post Reply
One poll could be an outlier, but when two resected polls find the same outcome, it’s time to realize that, most likely, something serious is going on. Rasmussen, whose own daily tracking poll revealed that 34% of black likely voters support President Trump, was initially cautious about interpreting that result, as this response to a tweet by Dineen Borelli shows: So when Mrs. @deneenborelli - a friend & an engaged supporter of @realDonaldTrump today presents a snapshot of our privacy-focused daily likely voter results, please remember, not all survey samples & collection techniques are equal or comparable. (Remember Nov 9th 2016?) 3/3 pic.twitter.com/E60joLWlNu — Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) November 23, 2019
Napolitano Goes Full Schiff 24 replies
Posted by shazbot123 11/25/2019 4:30:10 AM Post Reply
The descent of Fox News legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano into foolishness continues with a series of TV appearances in which the former New York Superior Court judge adopts the Adam Schiff interpretation of the Constitution where you are not allowed to confront your accuser, where being a fact witness does not require you to recuse yourself from running a kangaroo court impeachment inquiry, and where hearsay and presumption determine you are guilty until proven innocent.
Pentagon chief fires Navy secretary
over SEAL controversy
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Posted by Imright 11/24/2019 5:38:35 PM Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Mark Esper has fired the secretary of the Navy in connection with the controversy over a SEAL whose case has been championed by President Donald Trump. A Pentagon spokesman says in a statement Sunday that Esper has lost trust and confidence in Navy Secretary Richard Spencer “regarding his lack of candor” over conversations with the White House involving the handling of the SEAL case. Spokesman Jonathan Hoffman says Spencer submitted his resignation at Esper’s request.
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