No more fire in the kitchen: Cities are banning
natural gas in homes to save the planet
USA Today,
by
Elizabeth Weise
Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog,
11/11/2019 9:52:56 AM
SAN FRANCISCO – Fix global warming or cook dinner on a gas stove? That’s the choice for people in 13 cities and one county in California that have enacted new zoning codes encouraging or requiring all-electric new construction. The codes, most of them passed since June, are meant to keep builders from running natural gas lines to new homes and apartments, with an eye toward creating fewer legacy gas hookups as the nation shifts to carbon-neutral energy sources. For proponents, it's a change that must be made to fight climate change. For natural gas companies, it's a threat to their
Reply 1 - Posted by:
NancyD 11/11/2019 9:58:04 AM (No. 232085)
So what is going to happen when the electric companies are forced to shut down power for days at a time? People won't be able to heat their homes or eat. They are such idiots. How sane people can live in that State is beyond me...
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Mass Minority 11/11/2019 10:03:47 AM (No. 232093)
All electric heat in the Northeast? Upper midwest?? I had all electric heat in Virginia in the 80s a brand new stick built house. One January we averaged about 35 degree highs (cold for Virginia) my electric bill ballooned from about $110 to over $500. Most inefficient heating system out there. And just how do they think our antiquated electrical grid is going to handle the truly immense drain complete reliance on electric heat would place on it in the colder regions of this country.
Delusional.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Highlander 11/11/2019 10:05:37 AM (No. 232094)
Look for people to bootleg propane from buried tanks. Many homes in our boondocks community uses propane.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
tsquare 11/11/2019 10:10:58 AM (No. 232100)
Burn ng in a stove ..1 unit of gas. Burn it in a power station? 3 units of gas, throw the heat of 2 away, send one heat equivalent down the wire. Wake up California. Three units of gas emit more co2 than one unit of gas. And don’t dare argue that solar will replace power stations...we still have to have the power stations at night, and still have to keep the systems hot and spinning during the days.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
justavoter 11/11/2019 10:11:46 AM (No. 232101)
#4, you can always turn the gas stove on for emergency heat or if you have a fireplace with gas logs, let them burn.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
pros7767 11/11/2019 10:13:32 AM (No. 232103)
Grew up with an all electric house. My parent's electric bill was astronomical. Switched to gas and it reduced it by at least half.
As an adult, I have always had a gas range and would never go back to electric! I suspect it will be a huge selling point for older homes in CA.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Northcross 11/11/2019 10:18:56 AM (No. 232107)
Pure genius. Going from gas powered ranges to coal powered ranges.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Avikingman 11/11/2019 10:21:33 AM (No. 232109)
This is sooo stupid.
Just who are these hollow skulls?
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
jacksin5 11/11/2019 10:21:48 AM (No. 232110)
The concept of an all-electric home was developed when it was assumed that Nuclear Plants would provide all the cheap electricity required.
Solar and Wind power generation will never meet the demands placed on them if petroleum products and nat gas are taken off the table.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
mobyclik 11/11/2019 10:21:49 AM (No. 232111)
Do they ever do anything in that crazy state that actually helps the people instead of always caving to the nut-jobs? I know there are some sane conservatives there...you have my pity.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
snakeoil 11/11/2019 10:22:04 AM (No. 232112)
FTA: "Carbon dioxide is the primary greenhouse gas causing climate change." Well hurry up. Right now it's colder outside than Hillary's thighs. I love Creeping Climate Change. If the climate never changed I'd have dinosaurs instead of snakes and lizards in my yard and instead of alley cats I'd have Saber Toothed Tigers. I want to give Greta my snow shovel. I really miss the Hole in the Ozone Layer, Killer Bees, Nuclear Winter, The Silent Spring, and Y2K.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
The Remnants 11/11/2019 10:26:01 AM (No. 232116)
Ask the professionals what they prefer.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
mean Gene 11/11/2019 10:32:22 AM (No. 232129)
Michael Mann: Climate “Deniers” are Exploiting the Lifestyle Change Movement is a good take on this issue over at Watts Up With That?
While it might do a little to be vegan or flame-free, it is the forcing of it on us that is problematic.
Sure, today it might be flame in the kitchen.
But tomorrow it might be going "meat free," or banning private trips for pleasure by air.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
mc squared 11/11/2019 10:33:01 AM (No. 232130)
For people who like choice: heat the house and cook or charge the Tesla - if the power is on.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Hermit_Crab 11/11/2019 10:35:45 AM (No. 232134)
Not to save the planet. To control the peasantry.
Cooking, heating with natural gas is the most efficient and effective way to do it. EVERY other method in the long run is more polluting... Well, other than a solar oven, on a bright sunny day.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Thos Weatherby 11/11/2019 10:42:11 AM (No. 232138)
And the all-electric electicity comes from gas or coal fired plants.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
earlybird 11/11/2019 10:44:22 AM (No. 232139)
Those who can afford them have those big, elegant, very expensive La Cornue stoves from France - treasures for gourmet cooks - which have gas cooktop burners. There have to be a number of them in San Francisco, which is a foodie haven. This law will apply to new construction.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
DVC 11/11/2019 10:44:36 AM (No. 232140)
Unreal. Natural gas is the absolutely perfect home heating method. The cost of transportation, once the cost of the piping is paid, one time only, is extremely low and the efficiency is ultra high. Of the energy contained in the gas, with the best furnaces 96% of that energy is used to heat the home, only 4% is lost in the furnace.
Compare this to electric heat, where 2/3 of the energy in the gas (or coal) used to run the boilers is lost, only about 35% of that heat winds up as electricity. Of course, these lunatics imagine that all electricity is created by unicorns and sunbeams and windmills, when in reality it is a tiny, tiny fraction of energy, nationally something like 2-3% last time I checked.
Add in the days when the worthless, overtaxed, overregulated power company shuts down electric power to whole regions for days at a time? Yeah, I know that never happens....except when it does, with increasing regularity in California, which we are endlessly reminded "is the future of America". What a dystopic, freezing-in-the-dark future it will be, too. Gas being underground, and the pipeline compressors being powered by GAS are extremely reliable.
Purely evil, and stupid as can possibly be.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
earlybird 11/11/2019 10:45:22 AM (No. 232142)
Electric heating is mindless. Very costly and inefficient.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 11/11/2019 10:46:27 AM (No. 232144)
And, if no natural gas, what will generate the electricity? Wind turbines. And what energy gets used to manufacture the wind turbines? From wind turbines. And what will generate the electricity when there is no wind? Wind turbines. And what energy will be used to manufacture the new wind turbines that will be needed to replace the old wind turbines when they reach the 20-year end of their service life? Wind turbines. Ah, yes, another circular discussion by the progressive left.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
DVC 11/11/2019 10:47:45 AM (No. 232147)
Snowing and 23F here in KC now, very unusually cold for this time of year. Global warming? So far, not happening, but at our cabin in Colorado, we set an all time record for cold on October a few weeks ago at -5F.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
BigGeorgeTX 11/11/2019 10:52:06 AM (No. 232153)
Chefs in SF are going to be VERY unhappy.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
greggojo 11/11/2019 11:17:29 AM (No. 232179)
All of the above plus, notice how at the end of the article, the author slips in the constant in articles of this type: that the convection stoves which are "just as good for cooking" as gas stoves, cost 150% of what a gas stove costs, i.e. only rich folks will be able to afford them. Been there, done that. Wish these Leftist loonies would just go away.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
hotcorner 11/11/2019 11:24:30 AM (No. 232185)
Substitute the work "moron" for Democrat every time you see it.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
coldoc 11/11/2019 11:35:58 AM (No. 232194)
The saddest thing is morons vote for these fanatics-again and again.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
AlpineLace 11/11/2019 11:45:43 AM (No. 232201)
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
bldrrepub 11/11/2019 11:49:07 AM (No. 232205)
Customers with electric heat are much easier to control. When the powers that be think you're using too much electricity, you will have reduced power available.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
viking diver 11/11/2019 11:50:51 AM (No. 232207)
#4
this is where a small solar trickle charger for a deep cell battery powered AC converter comes in hand. The one I have will run the gas furnace and some lights when there is a power outage. I also have gas hot water heater, gas stove and a wood stove. last weeks high were i live was in the low 20's and the lows were around -2 to 5... lots of globull warming here LOL its winter. I would for just once like to hear what is actually wrong with a warming trend... besides a longer growing season, less people getting sick, trees using more CO2 to make more O2. as most common sense people know it's about control and taxes not saving the planet!
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
TnEm 11/11/2019 11:52:17 AM (No. 232211)
They are testing everyday to see what us peons will accept. How low can they push it? Eventually they want us to accept gulag apartments for everyone and a bottle of vodka - or marijuana - to keep us in our place. Accept that men can be girls, that pedophila is just another choice, that freedom of speech is no longer a thing. They are getting there.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
JunkYardDog 11/11/2019 11:52:27 AM (No. 232212)
What a joke. First of all, where does the electricity for the stove come from in the first place? Most likely, a natgas fired plant! That's where all the juice to charge these virtue signallers who drive Teslas comes from too. And it does get cold in SF-heating with electricity is mighty expensive. But I'm sure the people who make these assinine decisions are insulated from the consequences of their legislation. Do as I say, not as I do.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
Daisymay 11/11/2019 11:52:40 AM (No. 232214)
I read all of the comments, but my comment is WHY do the people who live in CA keep voting in the Democrats who are running this beautiful state into the ground? They must agree with that is happening to them. It must not bother them to have Homeless people turning their cities into Third World communities. They must like Sanctuary Cities. They must not care that every year their homes go up in smoke due to the Liberal rules that govern their forests. When is there going to be a Rebellion of the Residents of CA? I just don't see, or hear, much from unhappy people there! So, until they decide they have had enough, we can't feel too sorry for the things happening there. Anyone who has ever had electric for Heat will tell you it's WAY more expensive than Natural Gas and much less comfortable! We lived in one House, in TN, that had Electric Heat Pump for Heat. Darn near froze to death! Wake up California voters and take your state back before it's too late!!
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
earlybird 11/11/2019 12:01:56 PM (No. 232220)
Re #33, the “people” in California don’t vote in Democrats. The Democrats do. The Democrats have a larger number of registered voters now than the Republicans have. Remember “majority rules”? They don’t have a simple majority, but they have more voters.
Saying that any state as a whole votes in Democrats is ignorant - seriously underinformed. Registered Dem voters vote in Democrats.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 11/11/2019 12:22:58 PM (No. 232230)
First they turn off the electricity, and now they want to ban natural gas. How is life suppose to work in California? It sounds expensive. This is just another example of California going backwards. They can all pat themselves on the back for 'saving the planet'. Just remember a pat of the back is just a step up from a kick in the pants.
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Really this is a plan to clean up SF! People will be on the streets collecting dung to burn so that they can cook...
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Don’t forget our lil buddies from mehico and Central America vote also. Illegals have rights doncha know in Kali fornication land.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
Sandpiper 11/11/2019 12:50:00 PM (No. 232248)
IDIOTS!! This happened right under my nose! I live in San Jose! I hate the Sierra Club - motto “ Working To Make Human’s Lives Miserable Since 1892”.
Was visiting my son in Eureka when the power was out. We were warm - they have gas wall heaters. We could eat - they have a gas stove. We could bathe - they have a gas water heater. It was 35* with 95% humidity but we were warm and comfortable and fed. What are they condemning the residents of the state to with a future of planned power outages for our own “safety”? Plus, we already have some of the highest electrical rates in the country.
I repeat! IDIOTS!
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
chase9365 11/11/2019 1:17:47 PM (No. 232262)
People are stupid. When they have to start running high tension lines in free air OVER your house. You will then moan about that. Besides, electricity has it start somewhere, chances are, it was with FOSSIL FUELS!!!!!
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
coyote 11/11/2019 1:31:20 PM (No. 232276)
Replace clean natural gas with dirty old coal when the windmills stop turning. (often)
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
Right Time 11/11/2019 1:36:49 PM (No. 232283)
How will those Californians deal with cold swimming pools when they can't have gas heaters for them? It'll be a real sacrifice.
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Are you going to San Fran Schitthole....?
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
Lagniappe 11/11/2019 1:57:50 PM (No. 232304)
When I was the age of today’s Millennials, Global Cooling was sold as a fact and it would end civilization that we took for granted.
Global Cooling was “guaranteed” and it would shorten growing seasons, leading to world wide starvation.
How did that work out?
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
kono 11/11/2019 2:31:24 PM (No. 232323)
"Carbon-neutral" is a term that more conceptual and relative than real. How many different criteria exist for a thing to be called carbon-neutral, and how many who slap that label onto their product or service are audited to verify truth in advertising? In the way it is used and perceived, the term might as well be worded "neuron-neutral", because it means whatever you think it means. Or whatever you want it to mean. Or neither. Or both. Or not.
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
RedWhite&Blue2 11/11/2019 2:33:27 PM (No. 232325)
#34 that was very mean to call #33 ignorant.
And under informed.
There’s no place for that ridiculing of another poster in this fine salon.
Very disappointing that your frustration with what’s happening in your state would lead to such mean vitriol.
You owe her an apology!
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
Carmen 11/11/2019 2:45:35 PM (No. 232339)
#6 -- Up to date gas ranges won't work in a power outage because they all have electricity ignition starters. In the old days, you could always cook, heat water, etc during an outage if you had a gas range, but no more. I can't imagine trying to can foods on a electric range.
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
BocaLaura 11/11/2019 2:54:15 PM (No. 232344)
Will they ban natural gas use for emergency generators too? What happens when it's cloudy and there's no wind for prolonged periods to provide enough electricity to keep the power on?
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
DVC 11/11/2019 3:34:24 PM (No. 232367)
Wasting money, wasting energy, and saving nothing.
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
anniebc 11/11/2019 3:47:06 PM (No. 232381)
Save the planet? Yeah, right.
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Reply 48 - Posted by:
KanCreeper 11/11/2019 4:00:28 PM (No. 232389)
Talk about your Progressive thinking! Ban Natural Gas Cooking and force electric stoves on the population...Then watch PG&E declare a potential wild fire danger.....Good way to re-popularize the PB&J sandwich, again!
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Reply 49 - Posted by:
Franz 11/11/2019 4:10:47 PM (No. 232398)
It would be nice if the all electric proponents that voted for this live in the wildfire power blackout areas. And, the cost of living in California keeps going up and up.
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Reply 50 - Posted by:
Chuzzles 11/11/2019 4:13:29 PM (No. 232402)
Somebody like Rush needs to do a segment or two on the long list of disasters that the environmental wackos have forced upon us over the past several decades. Things like plastic bags to save the trees, not they are bad now for the oceans, curly fries light bulbs which are going to turn our landfills into toxic waste dumps.
How about all the food issues, and reuseable grocery bags that cannot be washed? Salmonella and other diseases anyone? Lots of people cannot afford the more expensive rewashable bags, so they run the risk of serious food contamination from meat. And that is another thing. How about all the screaming that meat is cruel, but vegetables are being recalled this year right and left for listeria contamination? It is getting plain scary out there. It is all about collapsing our nation. Did you all know that Gorbachev went directly to an environmental think tank when he left the former Soviet Union? Wasn't long after that that the greenies started going to the left. Far too leftist for even one of the Founders of Green Peace too.
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Reply 51 - Posted by:
Tennman 11/11/2019 4:33:02 PM (No. 232424)
Those unicorns sure need to eat a lost of beans for the extra juice.
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Reply 52 - Posted by:
Folsomguy 11/11/2019 6:16:10 PM (No. 232503)
#46 we just use a match.
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Reply 53 - Posted by:
fayebeck 11/11/2019 6:22:10 PM (No. 232509)
Why do we spend trillions fighting communism and then allow one on a ballot?
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Reply 54 - Posted by:
DVC 11/11/2019 7:04:03 PM (No. 232543)
#47, with a match or sparker, they will work, or at least mine does. The spark ignition module has crapped out, and I just light it with a sparker. One day, I will probably buy a new module and install it, but until then, it works fine with external lighting.
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Reply 55 - Posted by:
bubby 11/11/2019 9:02:52 PM (No. 232605)
I have lived near Houston nearly 40 years and have lost power numerous times due to hurricanes for days and sometimes for longer. What made a big difference is we have always had natural gas to cook with and to take a warm shower. Those fools in Cali won’t be able to cook, shower or drive their electric cars! How stupid have they become?
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Can't wait until they have a week without electricity where it's cold like after a crippling snowstorm. Here's what you do: move everything out of your refrigerator in protected coolers (to keep animals out) but don't allow to freeze by moving in and outside. Pack the freezer with ice, if you can get it (or made ahead taking up room in the freezer) so food doesn't thaw. Move ALL liquids (cleaners, foods, water bottles... anything that can freeze, expand, explode and overflow into the shower to drain. Fill bathtub with water if have electric pump on well to use to flush. Use antifreeze in toilet. Cook or heat water on gas grill outside in cold. No baths or showers, no dishwasher. Heavy clothes, good insulated sleeping bag. Lanterns or (fire hazard) candles. Gets real creative. Have fun, I've done all these things.
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Reply 57 - Posted by:
Transx 11/12/2019 1:17:49 AM (No. 232670)
Most absurd thing ever. The thought of heating with electricity is a nightmare. 50 years ago there was the 'total electric' campaign for homes, touted by the utilities. The loss of the transmission/distribution system is not trivial and the end user is the one paying the tab. Natural gas is the most efficient means of energy transmission and it would make all the sense to generate the power for the house/building on-site instead of the myriad of wires and the horrible side effects as with the fires in Northern California in the past few years.
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Reply 58 - Posted by:
Ebenezer 11/12/2019 9:22:38 AM (No. 232873)
These moonbats seem to think that electricity is generated by magical fairies touching their wands on a rock. About two-thirds of the electricity in the US is generated by BURNING COAL and other fossil fuels. And of course, they are against the increased use of nuclear power. Natural gas is cheaper and safer than coal. The woman who wrote this article is a dolt.
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How many people realize the environuts are forcing this change?