Student charged with hate crime
for leaving noose in dorm elevator
by
Lee Brown
Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon,
9/4/2019 1:16:08 PM
A 19-year-old University of Illinois student has been charged with a hate crime for leaving a noose in a residence hall elevator. Math student Andrew Smith tied the noose with rope he found on the Urbana-Champaign campus, prosecutors told his arraignment. It was found in an elevator at 1 a.m. Sunday, with outraged social media posts quickly going viral among students. The sophomore was busted after a friend who saw him tie the noose reported him to school authorities, Champaign County Assistant State’s Attorney Kristin Alferink told the hearing. Smith, of Normal, was arrested Monday and charged the next day
Reply 1 - Posted by:
KatieJo 9/4/2019 1:25:00 PM (No. 171266)
Can a tran be racist? Just wondering.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Heil Liberals 9/4/2019 1:37:41 PM (No. 171278)
Since when is a rope tied in a slipknot a hate crime. I remember when I learned to tie a noose. I did it all the time, with neither hate in my heart or intent to use it. I just thought it was cool to be able to tie one.
The modern university is a disastrous failure. It will require the mass dismantling of the entrenched petty dictators and a revision of curriculum in order to make a university education worth what everyone thinks it's worth.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Gruntmedic 9/4/2019 1:40:11 PM (No. 171284)
Why do people do this stupid stuff.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Gruntmedic 9/4/2019 1:41:18 PM (No. 171287)
A noose has 13 twists in it.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Safari Man 9/4/2019 1:47:05 PM (No. 171291)
Andrew or Andrea? I would have thought h/is/er special circumstance would be a get-out-of-jail-free card. No?
I used to tie nooses all the time just for entertainment using the bowline of our boat (nice thick rope). Was I thinking "man I gotta find someone to use this on"? Nope. I was fiddling around. This is a crime?
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
droopydog 9/4/2019 1:50:41 PM (No. 171295)
The "assailant" seems to have a long history of making poor choices.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Clinger 9/4/2019 2:02:20 PM (No. 171306)
FTA: “The university does not condone acts of intolerance, bias, or prejudice,” But apparently you commit them. Somebody might need to explain the irony slow enough for an academic institution to keep up.
When I was a kid our cat's favorite toy was a piece of curtain rod cord with nooses tied on both ends and the opposite end passed through the loops so there was just the knot on both ends and no loop. Was that racist or hateful? Was it OK because the cat was black? That damned cat used to carry that
thing everywhere.
As for Andy's or Andie's particular idiosyncrasies, they are irrelevant to his / her / its right to tie a stinking knot. Had a noose been dangled in a provocative manner at someone that could be seen as a threat.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
mc squared 9/4/2019 2:08:49 PM (No. 171310)
Is a rope worse than a pointed finger? $100 fine from a PA court.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/man-who-pointed-finger-gun-at-neighbor-convicted-of-disorderly-conduct/
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
ROLFNader 9/4/2019 2:16:46 PM (No. 171314)
I'm really jealous of poster #2 since I tried and tried to master that knot. After lunch I plan to turn myself in as a result of my hate crime.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Strike3 9/4/2019 2:26:57 PM (No. 171318)
What if his intention was to hang a white, straight person?
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Why is a noose a crime against a minority ? Back in the old west, horse thieves were hung. Where all horse thieves minorities ? So why is a noose a threat against minorities ?
I would like to hang up a noose on lamp poles in Washington DC as a threat to all corrupt politicians. I don’t care about color or party affiliation. Would they count up the corrupt minority politicians and raise those counts to hate crime status and leave the white politicians at a lower level ? Frankly I don’t see a noose as a crime. I also think it’s protected by the first amendment.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
web 9/4/2019 3:15:42 PM (No. 171350)
Smith is definately not Normal, but since when is merely tying a noose from rope a hate crime? Did he threaten to lynch somebody with it? I'll tie knots, a noose, or whatever I want from rope if the mood strikes me, and it doesn't have any meaning as a threat to anyone. The school is offering help to students if needed? Help for what? A transgender mental case ties a noose and they freak out? It's not clear who has more severe mental problems.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
web 9/4/2019 3:18:01 PM (No. 171351)
Someone got lynched, but in this case it was a transgender.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
lazlototh 9/4/2019 3:19:49 PM (No. 171354)
At some level of appeal this has to be thrown out. For something to be a hate crime there has to be an underlying crime. I know of no laws that outlaw knots, and I don't know how making a specific knot illegal wouldn't be an infringement on my freedom of expression. No crime means no hate crime. Plus, as one of the other commenters here wrote, a real noose has to have 13 rounds - I remember learning how to make one as a kid. I didn't think of black people at all. I thought of the people who were hanged as part of the Lincoln assassination conspiracy.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
NorthernDog 9/4/2019 4:53:46 PM (No. 171403)
We went to a nautical-themed restaurant once and there were little plaques with different types of rope knots used for decor on the walls. I thought it was interesting. But apparently that decor is now considered racist.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
angelgrammi 9/4/2019 6:06:16 PM (No. 171470)
Perhaps Walmart should rethink the sales of rope. Yes, there are legitimate purposes for it, but we don't want anyone to think we condone rope crimes!
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The perp might be from Normal, but he's presenting as a woman; another mentally ill person roaming free. And a felony hate crime? Serious physical attacks often don't receive the "hate" escalator.