Trump calls for more mental hospitals
to keep 'crazy people' away from guns
Washington Times,
by
Dave Boyer
Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon,
8/15/2019 10:18:47 PM
President Trump said Thursday in response to mass shootings that the U.S. needs to build more mental institutions to keep sick, dangerous people off the streets and away from access to guns. “We have to start building institutions again,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “So many of these institutions were closed [decades ago], and the people were just allowed to go onto the streets. And that was a terrible thing for our country. We have to open up institutions. We can’t let these people be on the streets.”(Snip) Mr. Trump also noted the standoff in Philadelphia on Wednesday. A man with a long criminal history
Reply 1 - Posted by:
ginadee 8/15/2019 10:26:48 PM (No. 153494)
I'v been saying that for years. I agree 100% with POTUS.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
panther361 8/15/2019 10:35:32 PM (No. 153499)
It really wasn't long ago we had the sick ones with mental problems put somewhere. The the bleeding hearts decided this was not good. They started shutting down facilities, blaming the republicans for being cruel and systematically loosed them on the public with no controls. In addition, there are people that just do not want to produce. You have to contribute at least to your own welfare as not to be a burden on society. I don't mean those who cannot, but those who can but won't become homeless. We used to call them bums but now it's a profession.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
bamapreacher 8/15/2019 10:39:56 PM (No. 153501)
It used to be that mental hospitals were hellholes (Pennhurst, Byberry) but so were prisons. Now a number of prisons are far more decent than criminals should enjoy. If they applied the same fixes to new mental hospitals they might get somewhere. But democrats won't care.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Catherine 8/15/2019 11:16:33 PM (No. 153520)
Before mainstreaming became the norm, family members could have sick relatives committed. They stayed a while, received treatment then were released and if they stayed on their meds, they did fine. Most needed to go back tho because they hated the way the meds made them feel. Now, after mainstreaming, they could be crazy as a loon and you were helpless to do anything for them. If Trump is serious, yes, hospitals are the way to go but they need to be properly funded. Most families love their sick family member but if you've dealt with craziness for years with no relief, you just want them gone. Then they hit the streets, become homeless and either suffer til they die or end up in prison.
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I have seen some horrible ones and hope we can do better this time. And hopefully, they will be divided among gender and age.
We need more prisons for the criminally insane also.
You have to love Trump for being down to earth and 'getting er done'
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
DVC 8/16/2019 1:35:30 AM (No. 153574)
Exactly right, and this is the answer, the ACTUAL answer, to the "homeless problem", too.
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The state cannot "hospitalize" anyone against their will. It's expensive when they do it...after hearings and a court order. (If a family tries, they pick up the legal tab.) It worked so well in the Soviet Union...
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Trigger2 8/16/2019 4:06:06 AM (No. 153601)
Pa and son Cuomo's shut down all the looney bins in NY as well as prisons. He wanted to "save money". We all know that result. He won't open another unless it's fully paid for by federal taxpayers, including personnel and maintenance for the next 100 years. All that saved money from closing mental hospitals and prisons is being passed out as free grants in return for votes. "See How Wonderful I Am" is his motto.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
LaVallette 8/16/2019 4:22:57 AM (No. 153604)
Yes!!!! The pendulum turns.
The closure of those institutions where people with mental problems were not just removed (or removed themselves) from society, but who received treatment and were housed and looked after during it, has proven to be one of those failed experiments of the 1980 by the "do gooder" SJW politically correct social engineer os the time. It has proven to be a perfect example of those experiments which fall under the heading of "Well may we to-day insist on "who can it hurt", for tomorrow we will all be crying "But how were we to know?"
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
gone2pot 8/16/2019 6:59:22 AM (No. 153660)
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
What part of that do some of you not understand? Who decides who is deranged, bad and unstable and then ties that to denial of the Second, Fourth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments sans fair trial? Put down the Kool-Aid. Mental hospitals are good things when they actually protect the mentally ill and the public but can you not see that elected Marxists WILL decide that YOU are deranged, bad and unstable for the sole purpose of denying your Second Amendment rights. Don't you see that's exactly what all this is about?
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
udanja99 8/16/2019 7:09:14 AM (No. 153663)
To further what #5 wrote, there need to be new laws making it easier for families to commit a member who is clearly mentally ill. Right now it takes hearings and court orders which take weeks and all the while the family is trying to keep the ill member under watch and under control 24/7. Which they are not equipped to do. I’ve seen it in my own extended family.
The shooter in Ohio was clearly insane and into all sorts of Satanic activities and websites. If we had laws in place, his family could have gotten him institutionalized before he started shooting.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 8/16/2019 9:05:06 AM (No. 153732)
Totally agree. This is not about the guns. Its the people pulling the trigger.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Congar 8/16/2019 9:39:23 AM (No. 153769)
Finally, a solidly good recommendation that could help us all is met with teeth mashing of the Left and media people wetting themselves.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
bpl40 8/16/2019 10:15:50 AM (No. 153810)
Preventing even crazier people from getting elected to Congress would be a good start.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
bighambone 8/16/2019 10:32:34 AM (No. 153834)
Well dangerous crazy people should have a “Constitutional Right” to be housed in a secure environment where they cannot hurt themselves or other innocent people. That’s one way to look at that currently out of control situation. You would think that the liberal Democrats would be all for such a big government and humanitarian solution.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
NotaBene 8/16/2019 10:41:52 AM (No. 153841)
President Trump is changing the narrative on the Commies. Sending away crazy people will be welcome by the Suburban soccer Moms.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
NotaBene 8/16/2019 10:53:11 AM (No. 153858)
Trump gave a fabulous speech yesterday at the New Hampshire rally. Fortunately with the new technology we can listen to its entirety simply by googling “Trump Twitter” and then clicking on the event. Conservative Treehouse also posts Trump rallies, but Trump’s Twitter reaches millions. He is the best communicator ever.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Wendybird 8/16/2019 11:28:38 AM (No. 153905)
A diagnosis of insanity or “craziness” is often in the eye of the beholder. I doubt that most of these shooters would have been considered or identified as “crazy” prior to their coming out. Besides, we could never build enough hospitals to house the entire democrat population.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Southron 8/16/2019 11:38:18 AM (No. 153921)
Hmm...."these people"....Which ones?...,"these people"...
How many Dems are still trying to have POTUS declared mentally unfit for office? How do we qualify which people are incarcerated "for their own good"? - Sociopaths are NOT mentally ill. They are classified as "Personality Disorders", just like "Psychopaths". They are born that way. Like you have blue eyes and I brown.
Per our violent population of formerly "normal" young people, nursed on enough "social media", well, : anyone has access to the worst of Internet viewing options for human depravity, grotesque child porn, Satanism to necromancy, to name only a few. - POTUS could have wiped that off the map on his first day in office. - "Games" they've been playing since babyhood where the player can become the machine gun laden, pumped up killer, and relish guilt-free slaughter. - Our 'social media" and education system propaganda CREATES killers, and we label them "mentally ill" only after the slaughter. Granted, there are helpless, hapless and viciously inclined seriously ill, non-medicated Paranoid Schizophrenics, etc. not just in the streets, but lounging in front of the computer in comfortable homes, (or grandmother's garage). But, when you apply, say, new "mentally ill" standards to those rebellious individuals, say historically, exemplified by those people in Russia: the Solhenitzen's, it's a guarantee that "these people", these "threats to society" are hurled into gulags by the Russian State Powers that be. Where this kind of thing end up?
I'm not saying President Trump's wrong about filtering out the people that pose dangers to society,- but haven't our "agencies of the law and justice" been well-aware of them (in most cases) LONG before they commit crimes? Anyway, this kind of "these people" language from Trump is a little un-nerving. (spl?) - Will folks with garden-variety depression be incarcerated?
Think about it, Jeffrey Epstein was allowed to flourish LONG before he was even indicted in 2002. along with how many of the 100's or more globally corrupt power moguls which he serviced? Take a look. How many "Lock her up!" placards are you seeing on camera during Trump rallies these days. Evil isn't necessarily a "mental illness", but there are NO consequences for Hillary Clinton's treasonous and deadly acts against individuals and society.
"these people"....Hmm.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
4freedom 8/16/2019 12:03:51 PM (No. 153947)
Can we have a separate mental hospital to protect us from crazy politicians, especially the progressives.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 8/16/2019 12:25:27 PM (No. 153969)
I'd go a step further and figure what is causing the mental health crisis in the first place.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
RedWhite&Blue2 8/16/2019 1:33:52 PM (No. 154025)
Include “morally ill” with “ mentally ill” and all registered Democrats would be held for the good of society.
Now THAT would Make America Great Again!
Veterans for Trump 2020
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Hermit_Crab 8/16/2019 3:53:12 PM (No. 154105)
While we are at it can we keep crazy people away from the voting booths?
They do far more damage there than they do with guns.
And while we are at it, can we keep crazy people away from teaching jobs; Again, the damage they do there is much more widespread and long lasting than they do with guns.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
Hermit_Crab 8/16/2019 4:00:46 PM (No. 154109)
Of course it is already too late for any of that. The crazy people have too much political power, and they will have the sane people declared crazy and locked up (or expunged).
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Butch 8/16/2019 4:19:28 PM (No. 154122)
When the mental hospitals were closed (mainly in the ´60s and ´70s), it was considered progresss because those facilities were known as real snake pits, with gangs, abusive staff, and bored psychiatrists. We now see what followed.
There are now psychotropic meds that actually work, and don´t make patients feel awful in the process. Still, most seriously mentally ill people need regular and careful outpatient care.
BTW in Washington state, in order to have a person institutionalized for a 72-hour check, mental health professionals have to prove that 1) the person has a diagnosed mental illness, AND that the person is either a danger to himself/herself or others, or unable to care for his or her own needs. That´s a tall order, and for a mere 72 hours! After the patient gets out (and a lot of them can fake stability pretty well), he or she can sue everyone in sight. That needs to be changed where there has been good faith and nothing else involved.
This problem has become a monster, and we´d damned well better do something before it eats us like Godzilla ate Tokyo.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
starboard 8/16/2019 4:31:05 PM (No. 154131)
Should be done through the private sector. They would offer higher quality service.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
columba 8/16/2019 5:04:14 PM (No. 154155)
I worked for two years in a psychiatric crisis clinic. Several of the other staff members had also worked for a nearby (but then closed) state hospital for the mentally ill. The consensus was that the hospitals had provided a "community of sorts for the patients. In our "new and improved" facility, we helped people get back on their meds over a 72-hour period and released them to .... the streets.
The hospitals worked.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
GoodDeal 8/17/2019 1:29:04 AM (No. 154501)
More mental hospitals to keep people from watching CNN and treat those that do watch it.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
Catherine 8/18/2019 3:43:12 AM (No. 155280)
#23 - Some mentally ill have, I guess you could call it, a short circuit in the brain. My ex had bipolar disorder and when lithium came out, he was put on it and did great. Highs and lows were controlled. Lithium is just a chemical salt so I always wondered if other diagnosis of mental illness also had a body chemical relationship. Of course my ex would stop taking it and become manic and it was years before he admitted to me he liked the manic feeling and would purposely stop the lithium. That comment led to divorce. Anyway, I think a lot of mental illness today is just people struggling with life, going to a dr and getting put on antidepressants. I've seen those pill change people I love and not in a good way. I do know some people really need them, one friend would just sit and cry all day until they put her on them. But I honestly believe antidepressants are the cause of a lot of problem. Life is hard. You have to figure out things as you go and no one has all the answers. For a huge majority, a pill won't tell you how to live stress free.
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Ab-so-lutely. This would also address the homelessness issue, which is a huge quality-of-life issue for the free-range insane and addicts as well as residents who live near them, and costs a pile in police resources, emergency medical, etc. The left will object vigorously as many among them are borderline insane themselves.