Why Are Democrats So Incredibly
Ignorant About ‘Medicare for All’?

Never happen GI - the insurance companies own our politicians lock, stock and barrel.

The amusing thing about this is that they call Trump supporters ignorant. Yet, we know more about their party's proposals than they do. That works really well for dem politicians. They know if you look too closely at anything they propose it collapses into absurdity and fiscal ruin. It's also not too surprising that party loyalty keeps dems from probing too deeply. It's a lot easier to figure, "Whatever my party proposes is good.". After all dems are virtuous and good. The party they support must be as well. In addition, "Orange Man Bad" and all his followers as well. Life is easy for a dem. Me good, them bad. Don't need to know anything else.

FTA: "No country on the planet does what Medicare for All proposes.... Even so-called socialist countries require plenty of out-of-pocket spending and don’t cover everything imaginable." This is misleading. Nothing is free, and Canadians pay for healthcare like everyone else. They pay in the form of marginally higher taxes. But you don't have to take your wallet to the hospital or the doctor's office in Canada. Whatever the faults of their system, Canadians do not pay out of pocket for primary care, emergency care, or any other kind of required medical care. They only pay out of pocket for optional stuff (e.g. cosmetic) and some specific medications and supplies. Canadians do not have to buy private health insurance or maintain employer- funded plans. Some do buy additional health insurance to cover dentistry, travel, and benefits like private rooms, but no Canadian needs to pay out of pocket to ensure access to doctors and hospitals. There are trade-offs to this. Taxes are higher, wait times are often longer, and there is less "customer service" in the Canadian system. However, I would not hesitate -- indeed have not hesitated -- to have some pretty serious surgery in Canadian hospitals. As for post-operative care, both countries tried to kill me. No one in either country appears to know how to manage post-operative care for Type 1 diabetics. In Alberta, they refused to give me enough insulin to keep my blood sugars within normal range because they were following outdated idiotic protocols. In Dallas, they tried to feed me pancakes with maple syrup and then delayed my insulin injections for up to 3 hours after meals.

'Why Are Democrats So Incredibly Ignorant?' You should have stopped there. It would have saved you from writing the article.

Because Democrats are about slogans, not reality. they've ben trained to accept 'intentions' in place of results, and never, EVER ask how we're going to get there. It's always on someone else's dime, too, you notice. After all, they are put upon victims of the system - never mind the 'System; is peopled by Liberals, written by Liberals, and managed by Liberals. Liberals teach them from preschool to trust Liberals, and continue brainwashing them through college. Anyone who steps off the Liberal Plantation is slandered, libeled and put on lists to harm thir prospects in any jobs above hamburger flipping. Only people who were Democrats and got mugged or otherwise managed to slip by their filters, pepper the upper echelons of the rich and political with conservative incorrectness. And Liberals work very hard at identifying and closing loopholes that let THOSE horrible people in! But its a philosophy of diminishing returns. You can't trust the young because they may rebel, so everyone in each successive generation is brainwashed; and the brainwashed don't do well perpetuating the lie. the Trump phenomenon is merely the beginning of the end for Liberals... ...I hope and pray.

So, where is the incentive for a young bright individual to spend eight years and hundred of thousands of dollars to become a doctor. We will have a doctor shortage like you would never believe. The wait time for treatment will end the lives of many, many people who otherwise would be able to live a long and healthy life. I am on medicare now and it does not come even close to the quality of coverage and service I had from the private insurance I had before. It will be the BMV on steroids.

There are a finite number of Orthopedic Surgeons. There are a finite number of operating rooms and teams. And, nothing in the Democrat plan changes that. Their plan just changes the people who receive the new hips and knees. It does not mean that more will actually receive care.

The vast majority of people on Medicare buy additional coverage, work/retirement provided, Supplemental or Medicare Advantage. In reality, it could never be "Medicare For All" but would soon devolve into "MedicAid For All" where provider payments are cut and cut again, and available treatments are delayed over and over, people will die in wait lines for a specialist, it is inevitable. Sure, our health care "costs more," but in any large city, one can access any type of care in a day or two, can ask for a second opinion, can find another provider before the fever goes down. We don't see people getting sicker and sicker at home without care the way every other system does, in this we are unique. What is your time worth, if you consider: Pay $$$ and get treated today and LIVE, or sit and wait for "FREE" care until you are too sick to "cure"...or just as bad, in constant pain until your referral comes up in 18 months.

As usual, it's impulse politics. Think a policy all the way through? Nah.

#3, our daughter lives and works in Toronto, has Canadian health coverage, which had a 90 day waiting period, and when she first worked in Canada, she had to get the equivalent of our green card, but only after her employer proved that no Canadian was available for the job. She is a ballerina and actress and model, has to belong to three different unions, and the unions provide her prescription coverage. Her Canadian Care does not. Hillarycare made it a felony for a health care provider to accept cash from a patient. Bernie's befuddled plan would probably do the same.

Are dems aware 2 premiums are required for medicare & a yearly deductible is also required?

My wife and I are on Medicare. We pay approx $10,000 per year out of our pockets for Medicare. Medicare is NOT free.

If you really think the Dems are "ignorant" about this, then maybe you're not so bright yourself! On the other hand, if you're convinced that the Dems (AND the Republicans) want to destroy America by any means possible--but first they must "sell it" to the majority so they'll vote for their own demise--then you're on the right track! This isn't ignorance; this is strategy! Wake up!

#3 You understate the additional tax burden and overstate the coverage. Canadian Medicare is dealt with on a provincial (state) basis although it is federally mandated. It does NOT cover dental, visual, or prescription drugs. It works simply because like Bernie they whack the hall out of providers. Doctors can not charge a patient 5 cents out of pocket for risk of their license to practice. Payments from the government are for procedures, not providers. The BEST eye surgeon in Canada is paid exactly the same per procedure as the worst eye surgeon in Canada. Hence the good ones emigrate to the USA. Medicare for all would be a disaster for providers, for the insurance industry, and for citizens in general.

The democrat politicians know exactly what they are doing but the sheepeople not so much. Unfortunately it is a compelling and familiar comfort zone to go from depending on mommy and daddy to take care of you and right into the caring arms of government who point guns at your neighbors and force them to take care of you. The promise of security and comfort allows you to avoid accepting reality and the the hard work that human survival requires, even in our technological age. Ignorance is a choice, the easy choice.

The Dems are talking about removing all private insurance. First off, let's talk about where your contributions to private insurance go. They are collected, then invested in Real Estate, Stocks etc. Go to any major city and look at the pretty tall buildings, financed and constructed by Insurance Companies. Make this money go away,and we instantly achieve 2nd world status, if not worse.

The dems are using OPM to pander for votes. I pay for Medicare Part B. I also have co-pays. Someone should ask the dems about who pays for Part B and co-pays.

Firstly, #10, I hope she is well and enjoying Toronto. I was referring only to Canadian citizens in my post, but I'm pleased to know she got coverage at some point. I lived in the US for two years with no coverage at all while I was self-employed. I paid out of pocket for everything, so I looked both ways before crossing the street and tried to stay healthy. Prescription drug coverage in Canada is a more complicated topic than I could handle above, but I'm happy to expand. Some of drugs are covered, others not, and it does vary by province. My province has a high deductible for drugs but, once exceeded, they cover much of my drug costs. In addition, my Canadian employer offered a benefit that covered my drug costs up to the deductible, so my out-of-pocket for drugs was about the same as under my employer plan in the US. #14, I doubt very much I understated the tax implications since I have paid them in both countries. My effective tax rate was higher in Canada, but not crushingly so. If I add it all up, I pay about the same in both countries. But as I said, there are other trade-offs, some of which you mentioned. I got about the same quality of care in both countries, but wait times were significantly shorter in the US. What galls us both is the inability to buy better or more timely care in the free market in Canada and the inability for higher-quality providers to charge more for their services.