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Democrats point to Nordic nations
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Posted By: Pluperfect, 6/26/2019 5:00:47 AM

Socialism — pro or con — is the hot issue in Democratic circles as the party’s candidates for president prepare to debate this week. To the obvious objection that socialism failed catastrophically in Venezuela and the Soviet Union, Democratic democratic socialists have a ready response: Our model is the thriving nations of northern Europe. “I think that countries like Denmark and Sweden do very well,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) told an Iowa audience in April. “My policies most closely resemble what we see in the U.K., in Norway, in Finland, in Sweden,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told CBS’s “60 Minutes” in January. Undoubtedly, the Nordic nations,

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Flyball Dogs 6/26/2019 5:24:54 AM (No. 106802)
FTA: “We shall see whether it can withstand full and accurate information about how those systems actually work.” “full and accurate.” Something you’ll never get from this band of thieves.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: GreatGreyhounds 6/26/2019 5:28:31 AM (No. 106804)
With a populace that's almost homogeneous, there's a huge difference with our country. With all of the Africans that the Nordic countries are adding, we will see if the Socialist countries survive...
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Reply 3 - Posted by: ARKfamily 6/26/2019 5:44:31 AM (No. 106807)
Bernie Sanders and anyone who thinks like him are of an annoyance. It is no different than going to a church and board members or pastors want to look at what other churches are doing for their own platform. Why do we have to look at other countries? We have many talented individuals within the United States that can make and keep America great. Let's start with Donald Trump and re-elect him to this wonderful country. Great talent and effort follows. No, Bernie, we don't need your copycat ideas.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Marjbaldwin 6/26/2019 6:23:38 AM (No. 106835)
This is quite accurate about the Nordics, and it's true that the Dims are a weird mix of ignorance and deceit about socialism in Scandinavia. But the main point, which they all do cartwheels to avoid and the Enemedia will never ask about, is that the US Constitution specifically and intentionally makes socialism, or anything like it, well, unconstitutional.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 6/26/2019 6:28:12 AM (No. 106840)
The dems are expert in PR. They look for a popular "brand" and then try to jump on the brand coattails saying, "That's the brand we want to emulate". However, dems are also very fluid when using words and facts. They either don't go into detail, which would expose all sorts of contractions. Or they outright lie about it. Most people like apple pie. "Mrs. Smith's" is a popular brand and the name evokes positive feelings. The dems will claim that they are going to make all of us a pie like "Mrs Smith's". They want us to smile and shake our heads in the affirmative. The problem is, they are going to use oranges instead of apples. Now there IS such a thing as an orange pie but I have never had one. I don't know if I will like it. I am going to ask a lot of questions before I dive into one. "What does it taste like?" "What's in it?" How much does it cost?" "Is it hard to make?" These are the types of questions the dems don't want to answer. Either they don't know or they know the answer is not very palatable. If past history is any guide, we can be pretty certain that it won't taste very good. The one thing we CAN be sure of, it will require more government control, more money paid to government and inefficient use of that money, and will give more power to the dems. The dems however, just want you thinking "Mrs. Smith's apple pie", "Mrs. Smith's apple pie", ...
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Reply 6 - Posted by: jar 6/26/2019 6:57:47 AM (No. 106865)
I have good friends in Sweden who do not think much of their country's health care system, or of other so-called welfare benefits Sweden provides. They are also fed up with the migrants receiving benefits citizens do not receive.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: h24015 6/26/2019 7:47:18 AM (No. 106900)
Quick, count for the number of planes in the Swedish air force in 2019. Give me the names of the numerous aircraft carriers that Norway has on patrol. Give me the names of the nuclear submarines in the Finish navy.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: ARKfamily 6/26/2019 7:52:49 AM (No. 106902)
Sorry for the second post but here is my 2020 slogan: MAKAGA!! Make And Keep America Great Again!
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Reply 9 - Posted by: GO3 6/26/2019 7:57:44 AM (No. 106907)
Good article. Not only are the populations homogeneous (for now) as #2 points out, but the populations are small, 6 million in Norway for example, but they also have the unmitigated gall to use their natural resources like oil for the benefit of their population. In prior administrations, we had to make an end run around government policies and create our oil boom on private lands. It's ridiculous we had to fight our own government to be prosperous.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 6/26/2019 8:19:58 AM (No. 106920)
There is a world of difference between Nordic Socialism and Socialism in Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, and China. There is a world of difference between governing 10 million people vs governing 300 million people. When people talk Socialism, what do they actually mean? When people like Sanders and AOC say they want to follow Nordic Socialism, do they really mean it? These people lie all the time. Are they accurately portraying Nordic Socialism? Also, with the influx of all those migrants, Nordic Socialism will change over time and look more like Venezuela and the others.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Rumblehog 6/26/2019 8:40:43 AM (No. 106942)
We will NEVER be like European nations. We try to do "good things" with taxes, but they end badly, compared to how other nations manage things.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: starboard 6/26/2019 9:06:30 AM (No. 106977)
Basically, Sanders doesn't like the USA the way it is. It's not good enough for him. He THINKS other countries do very well. Because he thinks this, we should turn our phenomenally successful economy around to support what he thinks. After he loses the primary, he should retire to one of those countries and we never hear from BS again.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Oldenoughtoknowbetter 6/26/2019 9:16:31 AM (No. 106990)
I was in Sweden 10 years ago (before their influx of Africans). There were signs in many places written in Swedish and English that said to remember there were individual costs for medical care. There were not many cars, people rode trams, walked or rode bicycles. Condos in Gotesburg were a million dollars. Prices in stores were almost double of what I paid in the US. Plus, there was a high VAT (tax) on everything. Not until the airport did I see a foreigner could apply to get the VAT returned showing all receipts but I had them in my suitcase, so lost that. We did see a number of young women with baby strollers as they received money to raise a child until toddler age when they went to daycare and the woman had to go back to work. Also only saw one homeless person but who could live there in the winter outside?
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Strike3 6/26/2019 9:45:50 AM (No. 107043)
The Nordics are a nice but docile sort of people who willingly give fifty percent or more of their incomes to the ministry of redistribution so that all can survive on the work of a smaller percentage. They have allowed the imported muslims to take control of their streets and allow their women to be raped without much in the way of attempts to stop it. They gave up their firearms a long time ago. They are no longer the descendants of Vikings who would not be tolerant of those conditions of life. Bernie wants to be like them, fine. He can give away two of his three houses and about eighty percent of his income if he likes. I won't be going along with that.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: chillijilli 6/26/2019 9:46:34 AM (No. 107044)
I have many close friends in Denmark. None of them can afford a car, although all of them have excellent jobs. Consequently, they are very limited in where they go and what they do because they are entirely dependent on public transport or bikes. Here's how the the Danish socialists discourage the use of automobiles: A new BMW would cost ~ $75,000US... PLUS a 180% tax ON TOP OF THAT! YES! 180%! (There was some talk about reducing the tax to 100% but I'm not sure if that's happened or not) Danish citizens are constantly bombarded with anti-car rhetoric like this: "If you ride a bike in Copenhagen from Øster Allé to Nørreport during rush hour here's the societal benefit and loss: Bicycle: 63 cents net profit for society. (3.65 DKK) Car: $1.15 net loss to society. (6.59 DKK) Another way of calculating it is that every time someone rides a bike 1 km, society earns 23 cents. Drive a car 1 km and we pay out 91 cents." Feeling restricted and horrified by this? These are the dismal innards of socialism that Bernie Sanders and the like don't want you to see.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Arby 6/26/2019 9:53:24 AM (No. 107056)
Thank you, Chuck. You've been around conservative panelists long enough now to begin to see the truth. Good article. And though he doesn't talk about the Brits, they tax the living daylights out of the middle class and the NHS is a mess.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: beancounter 6/26/2019 9:55:59 AM (No. 107060)
I believe most if these countries have school vouchers also. In a lot of ways, the US is far more socialist.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: jalo1951 6/26/2019 10:39:18 AM (No. 107110)
Might I suggest you pull up stakes and move there and leave the rest of us alone. I don't want to pay a 70% tax rate so the government can take total control of my life. Except for the UK (66 million) and Holland (17 million) these other countries have a population of fewer than 10 million. Most are 5 million while the US has a population of 328 million. Big, big difference. They want your money, they want to control you. Limit your ability to travel (take your cars away), take away your guns so you cannot rebel, control the food chain (Bernie says he loves government bread lines), we have enough money but it is in the wrong hands. Your money does not belong to you. Put it all in a pot and redistribute it the way they think it should be. Nothing is free and their ideas will destroy our country. And the elite will never ever be subject to any of the insanity they impose. Pay attention America.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: MDConservative 6/26/2019 10:39:46 AM (No. 107111)
Having recently visited Scandinavia, I will say this. I was told that the average household pays between 50 and 60 percent of their income in taxes. I was also told how much trouble 20,000 African "refugees" have created there - I suggested any USA urban center would trade them straight up 20,000 urban thugs and experience a significant crime reduction. Also, the countries' homogeneous and small populations, as well as strong national identities and traditions, play a large part in any "success" socialism has in Scandinavia.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: janjan 6/26/2019 10:46:04 AM (No. 107119)
The Democrats are following their usual playbook of publicly offering free everything to unsuspecting rubes who think some rich people somewhere are going to pay for it all. Actually getting funding for these schemes after the election is another matter. Rich people are rich for a reason. They will give plenty of lip service about being 'delighted' to pay more taxes then they will promptly take their investments elsewhere. And yes, leave the middle class holding the bag.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: darnright 6/26/2019 10:46:29 AM (No. 107120)
On our trip to Scandinavia recently our guide was talking about the high taxes. He said that here in Denmark when you buy a new car you actually buy three cars and you get to keep one of them. I told him that in the United States of America you buy three cars and you get to keep all three of them. I like that system much much better...
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Congar 6/26/2019 10:47:29 AM (No. 107122)
Good idea Bernie, except none of these countries understand Socialism like you do. You are more of the Hammer & Sickel variety.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 6/26/2019 10:58:13 AM (No. 107142)
The dims know the Aftershock will strike soon so they want to try having full control of the federal government and their ideology in place and be totally in charge so THEY can choose what priorities will be funded. Unfortunately, these priorities have nothing to do with us and everything to do with their mom productive base.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Chuzzles 6/26/2019 11:45:50 AM (No. 107191)
They work in their own fashion because Uncle Sam has been footing the bill for their national defense. Amazing how much stupid they can buy when they have somebody footing their bills for them. Trump pulls us out of NATO and closes all the bases in EU, we will see how fast socialism collapses in thise nations.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: msjena 6/26/2019 11:50:54 AM (No. 107196)
These countries have mixed economies. As the article says, there is less regulation/taxes on businesses than on the middle class taxpayers. And since when is Medicare free? I dread the day I have to go on Medicare. My private insurance pays for many things with no deductible and there is a stop-loss after my out-of-pocket reaches a certain limit. And I have a flex plan that makes copays and deductibles pre-tax (same as a deduction off the top). Medicare is on the brink of insolvency just paying for senior care and Bernie wants to make it free for everyone? Impossible. Just a way to lure stupid voters.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: bighambone 6/26/2019 12:29:02 PM (No. 107224)
There is no comparison between the Nordic countries and the USA. The Nordic countries are very small countries with generally homogeneous populations that are mostly all employed and pay high taxes to derive their social welfare benefits. It is not like that in the USA. There is absolutely no doubt that if the Democrat socialists take power in the USA that the economy will take a big nose dive once the Democrat socialists start instituting their high tax policies. The result of that will be a huge raise in the unemployment rate. On top of that the Democrat socialists through their “open borders” policies are trying to flood the USA illegally with poor, uneducated, and socialist minded people from all over the underdeveloped and undeveloped world. The vast majority of those people are unemployable because of a lack of education and job skills in the modern developed world, other than in unskilled low wage earning jobs, whereby they and their accompanying family members will have to be subsidized through taxpayer funded social welfare services for the rest of their lives. That population group is now increasing in size by about 100,000 a month with the Democrat socialists refusing to repeal a number of loopholes that they inserted in the asylum and immigration laws that greatly encourage that unlawful migration into the USA. The Democrat socialists are doing that for two reasons, the immediate reason is to ensure that as many illegal aliens as possible who are residing in immigrant and low income communities are counted in the 2020 census to assist the Democrat socialists in reapportioning as many new congressional districts into those areas that are dominated by the Democrats as possible, making it probable that those new congressional seats will be won by Democrat socialists with relatively low vote counts, as the aliens counted as living in those new districts are not qualified to vote, thus giving the Democrat socialist voters in those districts a higher percentage of congressional representation that the old established congressional districts consisting of US citizens, that loose their congressional representation by having to merge into another congressional district. Since there are now about 22 million illegal aliens now in the USA just by their numbers alone they affect the location of probably 10 or more congressional seats. The second reason is to grant that illegal alien population amnesty and eventual US voting rights, as the Democrat socialists realize that the vast majority of illegal aliens would be natural Democrat socialist voters, thus permanently changing the voter demographics and the politics of enough of the USA to keep the Democrat socialists in permanent political power. That’s why Joseph Biden then other day proclaimed that Congress should immediately grant millions of illegal aliens US citizenship, thus making them eligible to vote in the 2020 election. You can bet your boots that if the Democrat socialists even thought that more than a small percentage of the illegal alien population would ever vote for conservatives and Republicans that there already would be a 100 foot high borderline barrier (wall) all along the borderline with mass deportations ongoing. With all that going on the establishment Republicans just want an unlimited supply of cheap foreign labor to continue to get into the USA by hook or by crook!
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Reply 27 - Posted by: Strike3 6/26/2019 1:10:11 PM (No. 107278)
This article is a great reminder that the Stockholm Syndrome was appropriately named. The Scandanavian people have been living for so long like frogs in hot water that they think it's normal. It's not! Freedom loving people anywhere would rebel in a minute's time if subjected to these conditions of life. In some ways it's even worse than Communism. Wake up, people, you are being used as cogs in a wheel and taught that you should enjoy it!
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Reply 28 - Posted by: GO3 6/26/2019 1:50:49 PM (No. 107333)
#14, I know Norway did not give up its firearms a long time ago. The country has a long hunting and firearms tradition, though it is controlled. One can even buy an semi-automatic military style rifle once all the paperwork is completed. The one stipulation is you must go to the range at least once a month to maintain proficiency. Heck, I'd love to say, "Sorry, honey, I've got to go to the range today; government requirement you know."
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Reply 29 - Posted by: web 6/26/2019 2:35:09 PM (No. 107367)
Yeah, Sweden is doing so well that Malmö is a war zone because of muslim barbarians. Or would be a war if the Swedes fought back... It used to be safe that you could walk all around alone in the middle of the night, and nothing would happen. The police didn't even carry guns, until Black deserters began to rob banks, starting in the early 1970s. Now, the muslims have claimed whole neighborhoods as their own, and begun to impose sharia laws on the rest of the population through terror and violence. If Bernie's policies most closely resemble what we see in Scandinavia, it would be a nightmare.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: qr4j 6/26/2019 4:56:28 PM (No. 107446)
The Netherlands has a population of roughly 17 million people. The State of Illinois -- not the biggest state in the Union, mind you -- has a population of 12 million. However, The Netherlands has only about a quarter of the land mass of Illinois. Sweden has roughly 10 million people. My point? Administering effective government programs in relatively small countries would likely be much easier than do so in a country of 325 million people (i.e., the United States). That said, the State of Illinois -- which has been controlled by Democrats for decades -- is B R O K E -- BROKE, I tell you! More Democrat policies mean more broke states in this great land of ours. Sanders et al. are full of stool!
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Reply 31 - Posted by: seesfarwoman 6/26/2019 8:43:12 PM (No. 107566)
I thought they hated White, Nordic culture.
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Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” former Rep. Joe Walsh said he was mounting a 2020 Republican primary challenge to President Donald Trump. Walsh said, “I’m running because he’s unfit, somebody needs to step up, and there needs to be an alternative. The country is sick of this guy’s tantrum. He’s a child.” He continued, “We’ve got a guy in the White House who is unfit, completely unfit to be president and it stuns me that nobody stepped up, nobody in the Republican party stepped up, because I’ll tell you what George, everybody believes in the Republican party, everybody believes he’s unfit,” He added, “You can’t believe a word he says. Again,
Biden says 40 were shot at Kent
State in 1970, when four students
were killed
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Posted by Imright 8/24/2019 2:07:58 AM Post Reply
Democratic presidential front-runner Joe Biden added to his recent pile of gaffes on Friday when he claimed that over 40 students were shot during a 1970 Vietnam War protest at Kent State.The former vice president was making a point about when he first became politically aware in the 1960s and 1970s, comparing the hypothetical assassination of former President Barack Obama to the very real murders of Sen. Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr."My senior semester they were both shot and killed. Imagine what would have happened if, God forbid, Barack Obama had been
Tlaib says Trump is attacking her
because he’s ‘scared’ of women of color
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Posted by M2 8/24/2019 10:27:40 AM Post Reply
In an interview published Saturday, US congresswoman Rashida Tlaib said President Donald Trump’s continued verbal assault on her and several of her Democratic colleagues in the so-called Squad was due to him being “scared of us.” Tlaib told the Guardian she was referring specifically to women of color. “It’s been very clear to me, especially this last week, that he’s scared of us,” she said. “He’s afraid of women of color… because we’re not afraid of him and we’re not afraid to speak up and say that we have a white supremacist in the White House who has a hate agenda.”
Bill Kristol Wants Rick Santorum
To Challenge Trump: ‘He’s A Much
Better Version Of President Trump’
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Posted by M2 8/25/2019 11:21:21 AM Post Reply
Bill Kristol took a backhand to President Donald Trump, suggesting that former Republican Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum should primary him and calling the senator “a much better version of President Trump.” Kristol made the comments during a panel discussion on Sunday morning’s “State of the Union” on CNN with guest host Brianna Keilar. Responding to the president’s claims that he would like to see Russia return to the G7 Summit — making it once again the G8 — members of the panel argued that the Kremlin had done little to reassure other nations that it would act in good faith. Santorum, who has defended the president on occasion, was not a fan
Column: Michelle Obama for president.
The only one who can beat Trump?
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Posted by NorthernDog 8/25/2019 9:44:52 AM Post Reply
When I walked into his South Los Angeles barbershop Thursday morning, Lawrence Tolliver had a question. Did I think Donald Trump would be reelected. Yes, I said. His supporters are rabid, no matter what he says or does. We’re looking at a trillion-dollar deficit, and the GOP — the party of fiscal conservatism— just shrugs. Consumer prices are rising because of tariffs and a recession is feared, but Trump’s populist supporters don’t mind. (Snip) The Dems, meanwhile, don’t have a single candidate who’s caught fire. It’s early, and maybe it’ll still happen. But if the nominee is on the left
NASA astronaut accused of stealing identity,
accessing bank account of estranged wife
while in space: report
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Posted by LittleHoodedMonk 8/24/2019 2:45:30 PM Post Reply
(Video) - A NASA astronaut has been accused of committing the first crime in outer space after her estranged wife alleged she stole her identity and accessed her bank account without permission during a six-month mission aboard the International Space Station. Former Air Force intelligence officer Summer Worden, from Kansas, has been involved in a bitter divorce with astronaut Anne McClain since 2018 but the battle heated up after Worden filed a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission and NASA’s Office of Inspector General accusing her wife of assuming her identity and gaining improper access to her private financial records while orbiting the earth, the New York Times reported.
'I was kidding, being sarcastic': Trump
defends comment that he is 'the
chosen one'
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Posted by Imright 8/24/2019 12:23:14 PM Post Reply
President Trump tweeted in defense of his comment that he is 'the chosen one' during a Wednesday press conference while discussing the trade arrangements with China. He claimed that the comment was only in jest and that media outlets critical of the remark did not accurately reflect that he was joking. "When I looked up to the sky and jokingly said 'I am the chosen one,' at a press conference two days ago, referring to taking on Trade with China, little did I realize that the media would claim that I had a 'Messiah complex,'"
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