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Alabama abortion bill: Senate passes near-total abortion ban, sends to Governor Kay Ivey

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Posted By: Ribicon, 5/14/2019 11:01:26 PM

The Alabama Senate Tuesday passed a bill criminalizing abortion in nearly all cases, approving the most sweeping restrictions on the procedure in the United States and almost certainly guaranteeing a legal challenge if signed by Gov. Kay Ivey. The measure passed the Senate 25 to 6 after more than four hours of often emotional debate that at one point led to the introduction of spectators who had abortions after being raped.(Snip) Sponsored by Rep. Terri Collins, R-Decatur, the bill would make it a Class A felony—punishable by life or 10 to 99 years in prison—for a doctor

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Peak deplorable; love it. Planned Parenthood will file a lawsuit, as killing babies and selling their component parts is their life´s blood.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: curious1 5/15/2019 12:06:31 AM (No. 64771)
PP also funds leftard politicians, just like the unions, so they want to keep our tax dollars flowing into their coffers so they can fund the dinns...
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Reply 2 - Posted by: ivehadit 5/15/2019 1:32:04 AM (No. 64781)
Huge, huge mistake. Rape and incest victims should have been included as exemptions.

BIG donations will be coming in for Doug Jones...and all democrats across the country.

Alabama republicans: always snatching defeat from the jaws of so much winning.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: DVC 5/15/2019 2:00:56 AM (No. 64759)
Trying to get this back before the Supreme Court for a rehearing.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: pensom2 5/15/2019 2:52:23 AM (No. 64760)
Alabama would have been smarter to hold off on this legislation until after Trump gets re-elected. This just gives the pro-abortion groups a new load of fear, motivating them to cry for any lib to take over, preventing Trump´s nomination of more conservative judges and justices.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Trigger2 5/15/2019 3:18:02 AM (No. 64757)
AL should wear that fake monitor ´peak deplorable´ with pride. However, if you want to see the true meaning of what peak deplorable actually is, come to communist NY.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: emmajustin 5/15/2019 3:25:33 AM (No. 64761)
I was reading comments at other sites. The libs from around the world are seething and screaming. The blood lust is terrifying. I had hoped they would realize that there is an innocent baby in the womb, but either they don´t care or they refuse to believe science. Abortion from pregnancies from rape and incest or due to mom´s health or baby´s defects account for less than 1%. But you would think that amount is over 50% if you listen to pp or dems.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden 5/15/2019 4:08:39 AM (No. 64764)
No, #2, in the few rape or incest cases, adoption is the answer if the mom cannot find enough forgiveness in her heart to keep and love dearly, the helpless little one.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: anniebc 5/15/2019 4:31:10 AM (No. 64780)
Dems are deranged.

FTA- "Sen. Vivian Davis Figures, D-Mobile, one of four women elected to serve in the 35-member chamber, introduced an amendment that would have criminalized vasectomies. The amendment was defeated 21 to 5."

Always a stupid female dem. What the heck sense does her amendment make? You don´t want "unwanted" babies, and you don´t want men making the "choice" for women not to kill their babies, so you criminalize vasectomies? To get back at men since women can´t kill babies? ...Figures.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Catherine 5/15/2019 4:38:36 AM (No. 64746)
Eleven year old children who are raped should never be made to continue a resulting pregnancy if they don´t want to. This is outrageous. Okay, feel free to attack me, it always happens when I dare to feel differently than some on the subject.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: KatieJo 5/15/2019 4:51:43 AM (No. 64763)
Small children get cancer and die, I don´t like it, but it happens. I don´t think the answer to any horrible event or violent act is to kill an innocent child. Bad things happen, they always have. Nobody talks about the terrible emotional and physical consequences to the mother of abortion either. If the life of the mother is at risk, that is a different situation, but I´ve listened to doctors that claim that abortion is much more dangerous than giving birth.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Sully 5/15/2019 7:05:13 AM (No. 64774)
I can justify reducing exemptions to Life of the Mother easer than VA and NY can justify "making babies comfortable" because they are "not human beings."


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Reply 12 - Posted by: MuncsSister 5/15/2019 7:07:40 AM (No. 64765)
Why #2, are they not babies too? They didn’t commit a crime, why do you condemn them to death?
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Sully 5/15/2019 7:11:36 AM (No. 64779)
If someone tells me to allow rape and incest abortions, I just tell them to look around the room and tell me which ones are here from those circumstances.

You have no idea whose life resulted from those circumstances. Many of us have loved ones who came to us out of a tragedy turned to joy.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Rinktum 5/15/2019 7:52:51 AM (No. 64756)
It boggles my mind that so many women treat abortion as a holy sacrament. They worship at the feet of the abortuary god. And woe be to anyone that would even think denying them the opportunity to murder their unborn child. Women are the ones indoctrinating their own children in this unholy dogma. They are not presenting the belief that all children have worth, just the ones that are wanted. Anyone else is fair game to the torture of saline and a scalpel. The genocide being perpetrated against these innocent and helpless babies is an abomination. Women will not escape the guilt of their decision. They transfer those feelings into activism because it keeps the unbearable guilt from overwhelming them. That is why these women are so united. They need comfort in knowing they are not alone. Their activism provides absolution for their guilt.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: harleynyc 5/15/2019 8:21:24 AM (No. 64767)
watch how the poor and welfare population grows out of control.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: montwoodcliff 5/15/2019 8:23:09 AM (No. 64758)
This sets the stage for revisiting Roe vs. Wade. Once again, long range planning. I wonder who or what was behind this.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 5/15/2019 8:34:22 AM (No. 64769)
This is problematic.

What is Alabama going to do with all the unwanted babies? Are they making any programs that make adoption easier? Or are they going to force these women to keep their babies? Even if they are only ten years old? Does this cause Trump to lose any votes among women? It may not considering the quality (or lack thereof)of the Democratic field. There are women that make abortion a bigger priority than any other issue, and some of them voted for Trump because he was different than other Republicans.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: panther361 5/15/2019 8:36:07 AM (No. 64751)
#9 Never fear or reserve yourself from freedom of thought or speaking your mind.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Lawsy0 5/15/2019 8:57:43 AM (No. 64745)
Alabama is just putting back on the belt of truth. Soon they may be able to reinstate the entire suit of armor. Imagine the outrage of baby killers; that Alabama would refuse to kill a child created in God´s image! (That would be the baby killer´s problem.)
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Lucky5 5/15/2019 9:19:14 AM (No. 64776)
#17 Have these people not been taught about birth control? They teach in 5th grade now! They give out condoms and bc pills in middle schools. Any doctor will gladly give them to young girls. Why isn´t the focus on that?
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Connor 5/15/2019 10:21:08 AM (No. 64777)
I believe rape should be excluded.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 5/15/2019 12:40:07 PM (No. 64770)
Pardon second post...

#20 brought up another important subject: Birth control. The people that are banning abortion. What is their stance on birth control? Would they be looking to legislate the pill or condoms in the future?

What is the average age for first time having sex? One answer stated it depended on culture and upbringing, and the average age was actually a range between 13 and 22.

Hope the leadership of Alabama have thought this out clearly.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Smart11344 5/15/2019 12:59:07 PM (No. 64766)
I still ponder the chances of one of these aborted babies could have been the one who discovered a cure for all cancers, hypertension, diabetes or other fatal or dibilitating diseases. I believe it is possible.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: msjena 5/15/2019 1:00:33 PM (No. 64778)
Do people know that, before 1973, the majority of states only allowed abortion to save the life of the mother. No rape or incest exceptions. We went from 10-100 mph when Roe was decided. This law will be quickly overturned and will begin its slow ascent through the courts. I doubt if it will have much impact on a Republican´s chance of winning in Alabama.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: Pook60 5/15/2019 1:04:01 PM (No. 64775)
The leadership in Alabama has thought this out very clearly. Murder is murder and any argument in favor of murder will be rejected. Any argument regarding the unintended cultural and economic consequences of less murder doesn´t matter, it´s still better than murder. I can´t for the life of me understand why blacks don´t see abortion for the genocide it is with their own race being the target.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: Harlowe 5/15/2019 1:07:57 PM (No. 64749)
Abortion is murder. God’s Commandment: “Thou shalt not murder.”

People of faith must not remain silent--as so well articulated by men of wisdom:

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.” (German Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer)

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)

“You are not only responsible for what you say, but also for what you do not say.” (German Pastor Martin Luther)

“First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--because I was not a Socialist.
“Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Trade Unionist.
“Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
“Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”
(German Pastor Martin Niemöller)
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Reply 27 - Posted by: msjena 5/15/2019 1:14:17 PM (No. 64753)
Sorry to post again, but where is the 11 year old who is pregnant and needs an abortion? Could this happen? Of course. But it would be an extreme rarity. How often did it happen before Roe was decided? And there would be options--like going to another state. (And the person who raped the child should be prosecuted to the fullest extent).
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Catherine 5/15/2019 1:47:33 PM (No. 64752)
The 11 year old is in the news. But if you choose not to believe it, I can tell you for a fact that we had a 10 year old with a baby who used to come to our health unit for WIC. The nurses said someone would drop her off that morning and not come back til late afternoon. The nurses helped her, heated bottles, etc. I think some of the more ´heated´ speakers might be missing knowledge on some of the bad things that happen to young people. Every child conceived should be wanted and loved. That won´t happen. If you make abortion illegal, you will be killing desperate women who know they cannot have that child. They will do whatever it takes to get rid of it, even if it might kill them.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: msjena 5/15/2019 2:29:54 PM (No. 64782)
A 10 year old with baby has been raped. Why the rapist being let off the hook? Also, where is child protective services--for the mother and the baby.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: M2 5/15/2019 2:42:15 PM (No. 64762)
Alabama did this because it wants to overturn Roe V Wade and send it back to the States, which is an eminently sensible idea. As far as the exception for rape and incest, that will come from the States, not from the Fed. The Alabama case was deliberately worded in a way that would provide a test case for SCOTUS.

Nobody really believes that abortion will ever become illegal nationally. Alabama wanted to do this so that punishments and various changes to the bill and to abortion can be done through the states. This makes tremendous sense and it is very brave of Alabama.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: Ribicon 5/15/2019 3:59:44 PM (No. 64748)
Safe and sane border control would do much to stop very young girls having sex and becoming pregnant. It´s a south of the border thing, to a great extent.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: Timber Queen 5/15/2019 4:15:23 PM (No. 64783)
#30 – Major dittoes. Taking the abortion issue state-by-state was too costly and time consuming for the communists, so they engineered Roe v. Wade to short circuit state’s rights. The same avenue must be followed by the states to recalibrate the Constitutional balance. The pro-aborts will go crazy no matter the timing, and I think the timing is perfect. The Kavanaugh hearings were terrible optics and I doubt the nags have learned their lesson. The ugly truth of the abortion culture will be displayed proudly by Left. As mentioned, their unhinged advocacy is rooted in their guilt. Their behavior will cross all bounds of decency. The soft pro-choicer will be appalled.

If New York has the ability to pass a law the allows a newly born infant to be murdered, or abandoned to die, then why cannot a state enshrine the right to life at the moment of conception? How do the circumstances of conception, rape or incest, invalidate the humanity of the baby? How does the second violation of a woman’s body, abortion, erase the rape? Every year at the March for Life there’s a sizeable group of beautiful young adults whose conception resulted from rape. Many with their birth mothers, who speak of lives full of healing, love and joy that came from tragedy.

A raped 10-year-old being responsible for her baby is not the result of lack of an abortion. It is a failure of the girl’s family, and the local judicial and social services systems. Horrendous, out of the ordinary exceptional cases do not abrogate nor negate the wisdom of a society recognizing the right to life for every conceived child of God.

AMDG then MAGA
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Reply 33 - Posted by: triggerberg 5/15/2019 4:20:15 PM (No. 64772)
I wonder how many of those so willing, no eager for unborn babies to be killed are the very same people demonstrating outside prisons, protesting the execution of some murderer.
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Reply 34 - Posted by: Timber Queen 5/15/2019 4:33:33 PM (No. 64747)
#28 - I´m curious about the case you cited. Did you, or anyone in your office, take up advocacy for this girl? Did you call Child Protective Services? Did you reach out to the family and try to help them navigate the system for a better outcome?

I know the desperation of an 18-year-old with an unplanned pregnancy. In 1972 all I heard was that abortion empowered women and it would reset everything to "before". I wish I had heard advocacy for my baby. Instead of tax dollars for Planned Parenthood, public monies could be spent on pregnancy support centers that offer life instead of death.

Pro Life is Pro Woman.
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Reply 35 - Posted by: yellowhammer 5/15/2019 5:14:30 PM (No. 64768)
Thank you, #30. You are absolutely correct in your assessment of the reasoning behind this bill. I live in Alabama and spoke with one of the leaders of the Alabama legislature three days ago, and this was his point exactly. He also said that to include the rape and incest provisions would weaken its position as a test case.
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Reply 36 - Posted by: Salt5792 5/15/2019 5:56:03 PM (No. 64755)
Termination of a pregnancy due to rape is OK. The conception was not consensual. Incest should not be included, as long as it was consensual. It´s not a disaster if a genetically compromised individual gets born.
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Reply 37 - Posted by: Catherine 5/15/2019 10:43:07 PM (No. 64754)
#34 - About the only thing the nurses could do is help the little girl and her baby. The government extends privacy to our clients and we were not allowed to ´tell´ - in fact we had family planning clinics and we were not allowed to tell the parents if their 12 year old came in for birth control. We just had to give it to her. I don´t know how it is now, I worked there a long time ago. You are right, tho, for a little girl of 10 to have had a baby, she was raped by someone. I saw so many sad things at the health unit - so many frightened women who were afraid to give the father´s name because they didn´t even want him to know she´d had a baby. Our job was to help with the existing situation without judgement or interference.
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Reply 38 - Posted by: msjena 5/15/2019 10:48:00 PM (No. 64773)
Aren’t medical workers mandatory reporters in most states for child abuse or neglect? A 10 year with a baby seems like a case of child neglect and abuse (rape).
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Reply 39 - Posted by: Timber Queen 5/16/2019 3:32:07 AM (No. 64750)
#37 - It must have been a terribly emotionally painful job. As you said, your experience was a long time ago and perhaps before the mandatory reporting laws cited by #38. I believe the one thing we can all agree on is that abortion has not been good for our society. God bless.
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There’s no longer any way to avoid it: “Something strange is going on at Fox News.” “Something strange is going on at Fox News. Something very strange,” President Donald Trump told a throng of thousands at his Pennsylvania rally last night. “The audience showed their agreement by booing Fox News.” (The Blaze, May 21, 2019) According to the Blaze "President Donald Trump
Jerry Nadler’s cynical, cowardly show 19 replies
Posted by MissMolly 5/22/2019 3:57:46 AM
Jerry Nadler was at it again Tuesday, waxing indignant about former White House counsel Don McGahn’s refusal to testify before the House Judiciary Committee. It’s all a show, meant to keep old news in the headlines, and to appease the large “Impeach Now!” wing of the Democratic Party without actually doing anything. Everyone on Judiciary knows perfectly well that Congress can’t compel testimony from top presidential advisers except in the most extraordinary circumstances: The chief executive’s right to frank, confidential discussions with his staff is well-established. So Nadler’s bluster about how he’ll “go to court to secure” McGahn’s appearance is just noise for the cameras. Then again, that’s all
House Judiciary Chairman Nadler: Trump
is making it 'more difficult' not to consider
impeachment
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Posted by Hazymac 5/21/2019 11:38:19 AM
House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-NY, accused the White House of "intimidating" former White House Counselor Don McGahn from testifying on Capitol Hill and said it was becoming "more and more difficult" to not consider President Trump's impeachment on Monday night. Nadler told CNN anchor Chris Cuomo that his committee will hold McGahn "in contempt" for not complying with the subpoena and will take the battle to court. "You are dealing with a lawless president who is willing to go to any lengths to prevent testimony that might implicate him, that does implicate him," Nadler said. Nadler expressed that Trump's "lawless behavior"
Self-driving trucks begin mail
delivery test for U.S. Postal Service
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Posted by NorthernDog 5/21/2019 10:30:55 AM
The U.S. Postal Service on Tuesday started a two-week test transporting mail across three Southwestern states using self-driving trucks, a step forward in the effort to commercialize autonomous vehicle technology for hauling freight. San Diego-based startup TuSimple said its self-driving trucks will begin hauling mail between USPS facilities in Phoenix and Dallas to see how the nascent technology might improve delivery times and costs. A safety driver will sit behind the wheel to intervene if necessary and an engineer will ride in the passenger seat. If successful, it would mark an achievement for the autonomous driving industry and a possible
Democrats Embrace Socialism:Are We
Headed Towards 'Atlas Shrugged'?
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Posted by Hazymac 5/21/2019 8:45:28 AM
There's a recurring theme in American science fiction where the country loses its way, endures some horrible but cleansing disaster, and then rediscovers the blessings of liberty. You'll find it in Robert Heinlein's "Future History" stories, where the Crazy Years -- a period of rapid technological advances, decaying social norms, and mass psychosis -- leads to the backlash of a religious dictatorship. The Prophets regime is eventually toppled by a liberty-loving group dedicated to individual rights. The theme is even more pronounced in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, where a socialist regime puts the country into another Great Depression, only worse. The country's capitalists
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