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Supreme Court Opens The
Door To Internet Taxes — What
Comes Next Could Be A Lot Worse

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Posted By:RockyTCB, 6/22/2018 7:06:33 AM

Taxes: Whatever you think about the issue of taxing internet sales, the simple fact is that the Supreme Court has just guaranteed that people across the country will now be paying more in state taxes. It´s hard for us to see how this is good news. In its 5-4 decision on South Dakota v. Wayfair, the court overturned two previous rulings that prevented states from taxing sales of out-of-state companies. That meant a catalog company based in Maine didn´t have to navigate 45 state sales-tax laws to figure out how much each customer owed, and then remit that money to the

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Dirtyjersey, 6/22/2018 7:17:12 AM     (No. 11671990)

I hate taxes, but I hate unfairness more. Why should amazon get a 5% to 9% subsidy over local retailers? If sales taxes are bad, then eliminate all of them. Otherwise, this argument is nothing more than special interest rent-seeking.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: liberty316, 6/22/2018 7:24:01 AM     (No. 11671995)

#1, I respectfully disagree. I´m a small business owner who sells exclusively online. If I have to figure out how to deal with every state, and all the special rules in each states various counties, I´m probably going to go out of business. It would not be so bad if some simple way to deal with this were implemented. I don´t know what that might be. But if I have to mail a check every three months to any county I mailed a package to, I´m toast.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: TexaTucky, 6/22/2018 7:26:53 AM     (No. 11671998)

Dang - I agree with both #1 and #2.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Raspberry, 6/22/2018 7:35:44 AM     (No. 11672004)

Taxes on purchases, falsely called sales tax, are manifestly unfair and this article and #2´s comment say why. The buyer is liable and he must pay to his jurisdiction not the seller. Anyway, the buyer has already paid income and other taxes on the money he spends on sales making it double or triple taxation or more. But the complexities of collection should be all the argument necessary against it.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: vegasgrump, 6/22/2018 7:55:37 AM     (No. 11672021)

I am an artist who sells online. There is no way I will be able to comply with the new law. I don´t just buy items to resell, I create, and if I have to spend my time figuring out each tax code there will be no time to paint.
As to Amazon, I buy a lot of stuff from them, and every order I get has sales taxes added. I don´t know if this is a special deal to Texas, but I do pay it.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: rinohunter, 6/22/2018 7:56:10 AM     (No. 11672024)

This is the Kelo v. City of New London all over again! The retards in robes just don´t get it! Now what? And it´s even more disppointing at the justices that supported this.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Michaelus, 6/22/2018 7:58:46 AM     (No. 11672027)

Amazon is getting its money´s worth - apparently they even own the Supreme court. Amazon will have no problem complying with this law. They are the only online retailer who can set up a compliance department and handle the complex tax calculations. Grandma Hooper´s Pies, Tony´s Handmade Ties and Amy´s Artisanal Cheese can no longer sell via mail order. It is as simple as that.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: MattMusson, 6/22/2018 8:00:58 AM     (No. 11672029)

#2 and those like him will be forced by this action to sell through one of the Internet Giants like Amazon or Ebay. Independent Internet Retailers will be a thing of the past.

Only the big guys will have the ability to identify the correct sales taxes because this will go from State to City and County level too.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: bldrrepub, 6/22/2018 8:03:14 AM     (No. 11672033)


If only there were some kind of machine where you could type in the address of your customer and have that machine automatically figure out what those taxes are.

What if that machine had a little man who came and updated those tax rates automatically while you were asleep?

Maybe that machine could also take the customer information, the order information (including the individual tax information), and send everything to your bookkeeper or accountant.

Admittedly I’m being snarky but there are at least 3 software companies off the top of my head that will figure out state, county, special district taxes automatically and you don’t even have to think about it.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 6/22/2018 8:04:35 AM     (No. 11672036)

In our immediate area there are 3 different sales tax rates. Unincorporated parts of the county do not pay a local city tax. Nearby is a different county with a higher county tax. Our zip code overlaps them all. It will be virtually impossible to comply.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: wakeupcall, 6/22/2018 8:04:48 AM     (No. 11672038)

Next up will be that each state,county, city, the internet sold items passes through is entitled to collect sales taxes for road, rail, or airspace use of the product, products, traveling through their jurisdiction.

This is just another reason why Jefferson is correct when he stated their is nothing in our constitution giving unelected representatives the power to rule over constitutional or non constitutional but relegated that power strictly to the elected House of Representatives who represent all the people.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: wakeupcall, 6/22/2018 8:12:11 AM     (No. 11672042)

One more thing.

This now opens up the reasoning that the state the item is purchased in now has the right to collect sales taxes for their state, city, county, which the product is sold in.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: bella, 6/22/2018 8:18:07 AM     (No. 11672049)

What will this do to all of those Ebay small businesses?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: frenesi1, 6/22/2018 8:19:01 AM     (No. 11672051)

Living in a state like Iowa, ordering on line is great. Now I will curtail my spending. If I need something, I will have to drive 2 or 3 hours to get it unless I only buy from Walmart or Target. Ugh.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: volksford, 6/22/2018 8:33:25 AM     (No. 11672063)

So Roberts thinks the tax issue should have been settled by Congress, well what do you know. Too bad he didn´t think that way with Obamacare!!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Ribald1, 6/22/2018 8:45:08 AM     (No. 11672076)

Paying the sales tax is not a big deal.
Filing 50 tax forms every quarter is.
This opens the door to massive abuse.
What about loss of business tax revenue? Here in CA it is required of contractors that they fill out taxes in every city they work in. Is it fair that online retailers don´t have to pay local business license fees and revenue taxes?
Bezos is smiling all the way to the bank, lawyers are salivating at the prospect of defending people from all these tax jurisdictions, and tax accountants are out shopping for a bigger home.
American small business; RIP

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Mass Minority, 6/22/2018 8:51:50 AM     (No. 11672083)

I´m not sure how this will play out, it may change absolutely nothing. Brick and mortar stores are required to collect the taxes at the point of sale in the state they are in. They are not required to collect taxes for the state the customer lives in. In MA when I file my state taxes i am supposed to enter the amount of out of state purchases I have made and pay the "use tax" on it. The use atx is the same as the sales tax.

Compliance is a seious issue I would imagine, but technically if I go to Walmart in New Hampshire I owe MA 6.25% of what I spent. My guess is that this "loophole" is how retailers will respond to this. After all MA cannot legislate that NH Report all transactions of MA residents in NH for tax collection purposes. MA can only legislate that MA residents report what they spend out of state for tax purposes.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Time4AR2, 6/22/2018 9:12:56 AM     (No. 11672098)

This is taxation without representation.

A business in any state has no say in sales tax rate in the other 49 states.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: hurricanegirl, 6/22/2018 9:19:19 AM     (No. 11672104)

What a mess, and now Texas is considering passing a consumption tax that replaces property taxes, which most people think is WONDERFUL (some are even naive enough to believe that those who rent don´t pay taxes--yes, they do; it´s included in your rent)!!!! From all I´ve read, the consumption tax is going to have to be sky-high to equal the same amount in property taxes!

And it is the Republicans who are pushing this! Fun times with stupid people!

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Reply 20 - Posted by: paral04, 6/22/2018 9:19:59 AM     (No. 11672105)

This tax should be good for small businesses that have lost sales with tax free trade over the internet. The online stores dominated by billionaires and squeezing the life of the small merchant´s. Good for the Supremes.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: seamusm, 6/22/2018 9:22:29 AM     (No. 11672113)

Really? In this day of computerized billing (and what is online sales except by computer) it is difficult to navigate the different tax rates of various states? Bull! It is well past time to eliminate the advantage of online sales and restore some help to the mom and pop local retailer.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: curious1, 6/22/2018 9:25:56 AM     (No. 11672117)

If you don´t have to pay these ´taxes´ if you place a phone order to a company in another state, why do you have to do it if you use the web? Congress could settle this is a few minutes if they wanted to, but they don´t want to. We need more constitutionalists in congress too, just as in the supreme court.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Hotrod, 6/22/2018 9:47:00 AM     (No. 11672145)

The big boys, like Amazon, will handle the tax problem for the little guys. The small companies that fulfill orders for the big companies are already linked in the systems, so only the independent internet business´ will suffer.

That means they will be forced to work under the big boys to survive. Is that the real reason for the issue?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Ribald1, 6/22/2018 9:54:31 AM     (No. 11672158)

#21 Have you ever filled out a sales tax filing? Somehow I suspect not.
These aren´t automatically filled out, you have to enter all the data, usually broken down by county and often by city. If you were real practiced and organized you could do each one in a little under an hour.
That is 40-50 hours every quarter 160-200 unbillable hours every year, or a whole month of lost income.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: dvc, 6/22/2018 10:09:44 AM     (No. 11672184)

I see a huge business opportunity for a software firm.

If someone could have software package which would sort out the sales tax situation based on the delivery address, and would sell the software to small (or large) businesses, and keep their tax database feeding the software up to date (somewhat analogous to GPS makers with their map databases) they could make a killing.
If the software was a reasonable cost, perhaps 1/4% processing charge on each transaction, it would be very affordable for businesses and a huge cash cow for the software company.

OK, now that I have shown you how to make yourself a billionaire - who will go and actually do it?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: wilarrbie, 6/22/2018 10:44:31 AM     (No. 11672223)

It doesn´t have to be so complicated. Never minding the topic of the need for a new tax, but why can´t they simplify it? A small, even number - let´s say 4. As in %. 4% Internet Commerce Tax. Half goes to sellers´ state, half to buyers. Period.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: smcchk, 6/22/2018 10:45:23 AM     (No. 11672225)

Lots of online retailers are "mom and pop" operations too. Many items I have ordered have come with handwritten notes and personal touches. Software will develop but it will eat into profits. This is a blow to many small businesses.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: msjena, 6/22/2018 10:54:12 AM     (No. 11672234)

There is already software to address this problem. And it´s really not that complicated. Have a program with every state´s tax rate and just have the computer match the rate with the buyer´s address. Consumers can´t complain because they owe the tax regardless. They would be arguing about a right to evade taxes.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: msjena, 6/22/2018 10:58:45 AM     (No. 11672242)

Sorry to post again, but also, the law at issued exempted small businesses--those that did below a certain dollar amount of business. I agree the return filing obligation is problematic.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: stablemoney, 6/22/2018 11:57:17 AM     (No. 11672307)

Only people pay taxes, not corporations. This tax is the worst nightmare a small company could ever face. My situation is infrequent sales to many states, which means computer letters from many states asking about sales taxes for months with no sales. Then, as soon as you report sales in a state, you will have to register to do business in that state, which will mean income and franchise taxes, and reporting. Some states, like Louisiana, have different sales taxes by locality, a nightmare. This means anybody selling out of state will have to hire a state tax compliance firm, and an accountant internally to compile the tax reporting information. No small business accounting program has the capability of compiling sales by state. And what is sales? Just because you prepare an invoice does mean it is a sale. The item may not have shipped, all work may not have been completed, the cash may not have been collected, and you have to report according to gaap, or keep two sets of books. The SCOTUS are made up of idiots passing laws on things they do not know squat about.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: bldrrepub, 6/22/2018 1:20:04 PM     (No. 11672420)

#25 - They already exist.

Vertex, Avalara, TaxCloud, even Intuit has something for QuickBooks.

Jeez folks, 20 years ago we were able to put a missile up the butt of a camel from 500 miles. Technology and data have only been improved.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: dvc, 6/22/2018 8:32:52 PM     (No. 11672765)

#31, good to know. Not rocket surgery. ;-)

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The man who co-wrote “The Art of the Deal” said Sunday he believes President Trump’s faculties are diminishing — and that he feels obligated to sound the alarm. “We are in a true emergency,” Tony Schwartz said on CNN Sunday. “And the accelerated rate at which his breakdown or decompensation is occurring is cause for us, and certainly for me, to come on to TV more often, to tweet more often.” Schwartz told CNN’s Brian Stelter that he felt comfortable making that assessment because he had “spent an enormous time with [Trump] over a period of 18 months.”(snip)Stelter pointed out that Schwartz

What Critics Missed About
the Trump-Putin Summit

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American Greatness, by Roger Kimball    Original Article
Posted By: earlybird- 7/16/2018 8:56:06 PM     Post Reply
When Presidents Trump and Vladimir Putin ended their joint press conference in Helsinki, the punditocracy predictably swarmed all over it like ants around a pile of crumbs. Was Trump winking at Putin? Did he really say he believes Putin more than he believes Robert Mueller about whether Russia interfered in the 2016 election? Former Gus Hall enthusiast John Brennan, off his meds again, tweeted that the presser was “treasonous.” Professional chatterer Anderson Cooper said it was “perhaps one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president at a summit.” Every phrase, every gesture of the event will be picked

SF Mayor Says Her City is Drowning in Poop:
There´s More Feces than I´ve Ever Seen´

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Daily Caller, by Andrew Kerr    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 7/16/2018 4:47:28 AM     Post Reply
San Francisco Mayor London Breed said the streets of her city are flooded with the excrement of the homeless in an interview Friday. Breed, a Democrat who was inaugurated as San Francisco’s mayor Wednesday, urged homeless advocacy groups that receive money from the city to teach homeless people to “clean up after themselves.” “There is more feces on the sidewalks than I’ve ever seen growing up here,” Breed told KNTV. “That is a huge problem and we are not just talking about from dogs — we’re talking about from humans.” The streets of San Francisco are littered with a “dangerous

From The Depths Of Hell,
Hillary Clinton 2020 Could Be Brewing

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Townhall, by Matt Vespa    Original Article
Posted By: Tianne- 7/16/2018 6:27:12 AM     Post Reply
Whether Democrats realize it or not, the names being tossed as potential 2020 challengers to President Trump are weak. It’s milquetoast. All far too left for the American voter, and all with rigid regional appeal. Who knows who Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) is outside of New Jersey? The same could be said for Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY). Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s (D-MA) doesn’t resonate outside of the Boston suburbs. And Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA), well, she’s working hard to boost her profile, but she’s running aground with the Bernie crowd. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) could run again, but his age—and the

Queen Bey´s biggest fan? Excited
Michelle Obama lets loose
at Beyonce and Jay-Z´s Paris
concert with the former First
Lady dancing up a storm next
to Tina Knowles

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Daily Mail, by Emily Crane    Original Article
Posted By: earlybird- 7/15/2018 11:46:13 PM     Post Reply
Michelle Obama has been spotted letting loose at Beyonce and Jay-Z´s concert in Paris with the former First Lady dancing up a storm. Mrs Obama and her 17-year-old daughter Sasha were among the famous faces in the crowd as they watched the power couple take to the stage for their On the Run II tour on Sunday night. Michelle and Sasha were snapped in the stands at the Stade de France by several excited fans before Beyonce and Jay-Z took to the stage. But when the duo´s concert kicked off, Sasha was no where to be seen and Michelle was spotted mingling with

Ex-CIA Director John Brennan accuses Trump
of treason following Putin summit

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Daily Caller, by Chuck Ross    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 7/16/2018 1:34:49 PM     Post Reply
President Donald Trump’s comments during a joint press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday were “treasonous,” former CIA Director John Brennan asserted. “Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of ‘high crimes & misdemeanors,’” Brennan, a vocal Trump critic, wrote on Twitter. “It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???” Trump and Putin fielded questions from reporters at a joint summit in Helsinki following a one-on-one meeting earlier in the day. Trump praised Putin during

Father of 43 children found
beaten in West Side home

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ABC Chicago, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: konocti95- 7/16/2018 4:43:58 PM     Post Reply
A 63-year-old father of 43 children was found beaten to death Sunday afternoon in his home on Chicago´s West Side. The body of John Hearring -- known as Nicholas -- was discovered with head trauma in his upstairs apartment in the 1000-block of North Leamington Avenue in the South Austin neighborhood. Multiple family members confirmed that he had 43 children. Hearring was a long-time resident there and well-known in the neighborhood. "He was the nicest man you´d ever want to meet. I don´t get it. All this killing is so senseless and now they are targeting the elderly," said Gwen Bridgeforth, his daughter-in-law.


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