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#MeToo goes to church: Southern Baptists
face a reckoning over treatment of women

NBC News, by Alex Johnson

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Posted By:StormCnter, 6/8/2018 4:02:33 PM

The Southern Baptist Convention, the country´s largest evangelical denomination, is headed for a showdown over its treatment of women that could not only have far-reaching ramifications for the church but also influence the broader secular #MeToo movement. At its annual meeting next week in Dallas, delegates called "messengers" will decide whether to approve a resolution acknowledging that, throughout the church´s history, male leaders and members of the church "wronged women, abused women, silenced women, objectified women." "The #MeToo moment has come to American evangelicals," Albert Mohler,

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I come from a long line of devoted Southern Baptists, male and female. The church has been our rock. The writer is hyperbolic with this essay, but the takeover of our Convention by Paige Patterson several years ago changed the denomination for the worse. Individual churches are no longer autonomous (long-SBC tradition) and females are blocked from leadership positions. It´s bad.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: M2, 6/8/2018 4:08:34 PM     (No. 11657658)

This is a violation of the separation of church and state and is outrageous.. We cannot let the secular city square enter the pulpit.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: seamusm, 6/8/2018 4:14:02 PM     (No. 11657662)

These peopple will not stop until the Y chromosome is banned, men wear panties and empty bras, and we pray the ´Our Mother´ in church.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: strike3, 6/8/2018 4:53:39 PM     (No. 11657684)

Men are going to stop dating and marrying women and then they will start whining about that. Dating and courtship is a dance that requires two partners. If you don´t know the rules and boundaries don´t dance.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: fhancock, 6/8/2018 4:54:17 PM     (No. 11657685)

Ah yes...the Southern Baptists but not the fount of the complaints of the #MeTOO movement...the oversexed Beta Males of the Democrat Party...Clinton, Weinstein, Weiner, Schneiderman, all the Kennedys, all the movie producers, Edwards, Gore, etc..

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Reply 5 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 6/8/2018 6:04:51 PM     (No. 11657734)

Disclaimer: I am not a member of a church under the SBC.

Well, I don´t know what to think of this, and I don´t have all the details.

However, yesterday (and before yesterday) I heard another side of the story, which is that there are witnesses that have contradicted the accusations against Patterson. Furthermore, the way it was done does not seem right, i.e., that Patterson was notified of the decision while he was overseas, and by that time his phone and email had been cut off. They called him about midnight in Germany.

On the Sandy Rios show yesterday morning guest host Fred Jackson discussed details of the other side of the story. Since I don´t know if I can post a link to the show, so just go to afr.net and click on the Sandy Rios show for a link to yesterday´s show. Go to about the 18 minute mark for the start of that segment.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 6/8/2018 6:06:09 PM     (No. 11657736)

(con´t.)

Questions:

--What does J.D. Greer mean by "raising women up" to positions of authority"?

--J.D. Greer seems to be making a accusation about the treatment of minorities and women in the SBC and that there needs to be almost an affirmative action type representation in the SBC. Conservatives don´t generally support this in the secular world.

--Dissenters: JD Greer has made remarks about those who "seek to create a division" and a "divisive spirit" and mark them. So what do you define as "divisive"? The New Testament is very clear that we must call out false teachers, for example. Is it "divisive" to call them out? The church should never be "unified" simply for the sake of unity. False teachers and false teaching must be called out.

Like I said, most of the details I know about this are coming from the secular media, so I think there should be some caution employed in coming to conclusions about this.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Gorzabozo, 6/8/2018 9:51:20 PM     (No. 11657886)

FTA: ""I was the elephant in the room with a skirt on."
Then lose some weight, sweetheart.



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Reply 8 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 6/8/2018 10:43:10 PM     (No. 11657930)

Evidently these women don´t read the Bible. What they call abuse by worldly standards is actually Christian and God ordained. Women are not to be pastors of churches.

If these women would read their apostle Paul, they would know God´s feeling on the entire matter. As a Christian, I have never once felt mistreated, abused, wronged or anything bad by my church.

On the contrary, I find Churchianity in all its toxic and putrid practices loathsome and unGodly.

I hope the Southern Baptists stomp this fire out. The ´pound me too´ movement has no place in a Christian church. Seriously, that is how it is pronounced, which just makes the whole movement sillier than they realize.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Ok state mom, 6/8/2018 10:54:25 PM     (No. 11657940)

The Southern Baptist have it coming and it is long overdue. We can only prayer the Church of Christ I support next.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Ok state mom, 6/8/2018 11:01:39 PM     (No. 11657944)

Auto text bombed my post. I am praying the Church of Christ women will be next to reveal their abuse.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: LadyHen, 6/8/2018 11:14:22 PM     (No. 11657952)

Grew up SB, though I haven´t been now for 20 years so I am sure stuff has changed.

Can´t say I ever felt objectified, silenced, or wronged in any way. We never had any female ministers of any kind but if anything ever got done in that church (fundraising, meals, socials, retreats, homeless ministries, children´s ministries, visitations, collections, food/toy drives, etc), you can bet your buttons a woman was in charge or at least organized it.

fta: "Such episodes aren´t surprises to women who have recounted their own experiences in the Southern Baptist Convention, which declares that they must "submit" to their husbands and doesn´t allow them to be pastors or to teach men in any official capacity."

And??? Feminism and the Bible don´t mix folks. Not seeing an issue with submission and women not being ministers. Women always bring feminism and feminism kills everything it touches.

If individual ministers or leaders commit wrongs or even sexual crimes, take care of it legally. One or even 10 rotten apples do not spoil the whole barrel.

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