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Pope´s reported comment to a gay man may
indicate a new level of acceptance of homosexuality

Los Angeles Times, by Tom Kington

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Posted By:M2, 5/21/2018 10:12:32 AM

Pope Francis has reportedly told a gay man that "God made you that way and loves you as you are," apparently pushing the pontiff´s acceptance of homosexuality to a new level. Francis made the comments to Juan Carlos Cruz, a Chilean victim of priestly sexual abuse who recently spent days with the pope at the Vatican to discuss his ordeal as the pontiff moves to tackle decades of coverups and ostracism of victims in the Chilean church, according to the Spanish newspaper El Pais. Cruz was quoted as having discussed his homosexuality with Francis. "He told me: ´Juan Carlos, I

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I wouldn´t be so quick to claim a "new level of acceptance" in the Church. The Pope would be wise to explain why the Bible, in the New Testament as well as the Old Testament, explicitly and expressly forbids homosexual behavior.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: M2, 5/21/2018 10:14:54 AM     (No. 11638345)

The Bible is not vague on this matter: Homosexual behavior is against God´s law. We are all born in sin with temptations. Gay people must learn to control their proclivities toward sexual sin just like the rest of us must.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Flyright, 5/21/2018 10:23:50 AM     (No. 11638359)

Hope of a change? Please. The Church´s little secret isn´t so secret.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: vingoombatz, 5/21/2018 10:29:29 AM     (No. 11638366)

And your buddy over there...who likes to have sex with animals...Let´s get to a next level of acceptance, baby!

It´s all good.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Muguy, 5/21/2018 10:31:23 AM     (No. 11638369)

Scripture is clear on this....

I´ll Papa is an activist Pope.


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Reply 5 - Posted by: WAN2, 5/21/2018 10:37:57 AM     (No. 11638382)

And God made priests that molest.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: scottc, 5/21/2018 10:38:23 AM     (No. 11638383)

Personally I think Poop Francis has just come out of the closet.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: MargaretM., 5/21/2018 10:40:23 AM     (No. 11638386)

If the Victim is a homosexual, where was the ordeal he endured from priestly abuse? I thought gays liked gay sex. NAMBLA has been pushing for man-boy sex for decades.

Something is badly "off" about this article. Not to mention that the Pope needs to be replaced pronto.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Safari Man, 5/21/2018 10:52:07 AM     (No. 11638398)

Nobody ever said this pope was straight.


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Reply 9 - Posted by: kono, 5/21/2018 10:52:12 AM     (No. 11638399)

What was said in the meeting is ´internal forum´ by Church protocols -- the Pope is supposed to keep private what is said in these private meetings. So Cruz is free to distort whatever was said, and the Swamp media are free to distort that even further.

Trump Derangement Syndrome in the media pales by comparison to their dedicated assault on traditional Catholic teachings. I need to reel back my initial reaction and wait for a statement aimed at clearing the water that the deviant-sexuality-champions on the Left have quite effectively muddied with this.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 5/21/2018 10:52:53 AM     (No. 11638400)

From Vatican II to 2 in the men´s stalls.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Cor-Vet, 5/21/2018 11:03:28 AM     (No. 11638406)

The ´Pope´ may accept homosexuality, but many Catholics, myself included, don´t really accept this Pope!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: meidei, 5/21/2018 11:10:24 AM     (No. 11638415)

We are supposed to hate the sin but not the sinner; so indicating "a new level of acceptance" is short-sighted. Gay or straight, adult or child, male or female -- fornication outside of marriage is not OK in God´s sight.

Mr. Kington´s headline also says "reported comment" - I take that to mean he hasn´t verified it, or received a clarifying statement from the Vatican; not the first time the Pope has been misquoted (and no, I am not a fan of his, just cautiously respectful).

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Reply 13 - Posted by: lostinmassachusetts, 5/21/2018 11:15:31 AM     (No. 11638421)

Francis is an anti-pope. So much for "infallibility in faith and morals."

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Reply 14 - Posted by: melanie, 5/21/2018 11:27:39 AM     (No. 11638436)

I think the Pope is an Episcopalian.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: bldrrepub, 5/21/2018 11:28:40 AM     (No. 11638438)

Nothing in L´Osservatore Romano or Vatican News.

I´ll wait.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: winnie1, 5/21/2018 11:52:57 AM     (No. 11638453)

This Pope talks with a Fork Tongue. He was for it before he was against it.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: dirtyjersey, 5/21/2018 12:18:24 PM     (No. 11638470)

I notice several posters are quoting the Bible. What makes you think this guy has ever read that particular book?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: linkay6, 5/21/2018 12:21:09 PM     (No. 11638474)

God loves the sinner, not the sin. The sin separates us from Him.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: lavalette, 5/21/2018 12:23:50 PM     (No. 11638477)

Seems like another overblown headline to me based on conflating homosexual tendencies with homosexual behavior, all based on this unfortunate young man´s spin on the private conversation.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: dvc, 5/21/2018 12:35:45 PM     (No. 11638496)

I have a dream that someday we could have a Pope who is a Catholic and has read the Bible.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 5/21/2018 12:42:41 PM     (No. 11638508)

He probably assured Juan Carlos that many of his best friends and colleagues are homosexuals.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: strike3, 5/21/2018 12:43:58 PM     (No. 11638511)

Forgiveness is not acceptance. But if any Pope could get that confused, this one could.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Bubby, 5/21/2018 12:49:04 PM     (No. 11638518)

God created all of us does the Pope now accept rapists, murderers, adulterers, pedophiles, etc? Did God make them that way? Where is the line drawn between our free will and God´s creative power? Perhaps the Pope doesn´t believe in free will? I´m not Catholic but Pope Francis is the loopiest Pope ever!

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 5/21/2018 12:49:15 PM     (No. 11638519)

Jesus had something to say about this,
"Get behind me, Satan!"

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Harlowe, 5/21/2018 12:57:28 PM     (No. 11638535)

The Bible does not provide a “detailed psychological answer for homosexuality. ... Romans clearly condemns homosexuality as a corruption of God’s created order. ... Paul argues that homosexual behavior results from idolatry and a corrupt understanding of creation(1:26-28).” Homosexuality is a rebellion against God’s created order. Homosexuality as well as “envy,murder, strife,deceit, maliciousness ... gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent,haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless”(1:28-31) all undermine society. Homosexuals like all sinners, “need to hear God’s word of Law and Gospel applied to his or her life with the goal of repentance and faith.”

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Muncssister, 5/21/2018 1:03:55 PM     (No. 11638543)

Of course God loves gay people. And Catholics have never believed one can become “un-gay.” The Catholic Church does not turn people away, it is, and ALWAYS has been, a very welcoming place full of love and forgiveness. There are rules and expectations of course, but there is also understanding. The media wants this to be breaking news, and maybe it is to those who know very little about Catholicism, but this is not exactly a new view.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: columba, 5/21/2018 1:05:48 PM     (No. 11638548)

Please refer back to the Catechism of the Church. There are several mentions of homosexual behavior in Scripture. None of the would indicate acceptance or toleration of same.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: cindiana, 5/21/2018 1:23:28 PM     (No. 11638564)

Greasing the skids for gay marriage.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: nuclearnavymom, 5/21/2018 1:25:30 PM     (No. 11638567)

I´m Catholic and during confession I asked if it was a sin to disagree the Pope. The priest knew just what I was talking about and he said no that the Pope is not supposed to insert his personal opinions into the church´s doctrine. That he is not infallible when it comes to his personal views, that being said, I think this pope has/is driving people away from the church. It´s confusing and sad to most of the practicing Catholics out here.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: seamusm, 5/21/2018 1:36:09 PM     (No. 11638574)

Many of our current homosexual adults were ´turned´ by predatory adults not created as gay by God. And sadly not a few are the result of perverted clergy. I do not trust the media to report the truth but Francis more than any of his predecessors seems unable to avoid being ´misquoted´.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: radrelic, 5/21/2018 2:43:09 PM     (No. 11638654)

The article clearly states that the sinner is accepted but the Biblical condemnation of sex acts aren´t.

So we can use that old saw sti8ll "Is the Pope Catholic?"

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 5/21/2018 3:32:46 PM     (No. 11638693)

Or, it could trigger a new level of rejection of the Catholic Church.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Ribald1, 5/21/2018 5:27:40 PM     (No. 11638782)

The left has always encouraged the idea that there exist inferior groups that lack free will and shouldn´t be held accountable for their actions.
Blacks and homosexuals are the two most prominent groups they present this way.


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Reply 34 - Posted by: zeldafitzg, 5/21/2018 5:37:26 PM     (No. 11638792)

God created the child, Juan Carlos Cruz. The priest, diabolical to the bone, confused the child´s understanding of sexuality. The child could never regain what that priest took from him. We have no idea whether God intended the child to be homosexual or not.

The medieval Church was rife with priests who misused their positions to influence women who bore them "nephews" who would later be given positions in the church.

And there grew up a culture that overlooked and even protected these degradations, both homosexual and heterosexual.

And it goes on today.

* But Catholic priests are not alone in this. * Wherever some men have power, they seem to use it to twist and force the young and the powerless in sexual ways. It is difficult to understand.


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Washington Times, by Victor Morton    Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought- 6/20/2018 10:36:26 PM     Post Reply
One of the shouting socialists who chased Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen out of a D.C. Mexican restaurant Tuesday night is a Justice Department worker. Democratic Socialists of America member Allison Hrabar reveled in her actions Wednesday to the Washington Examiner, saying it “feels really good to confront people who are actually responsible” for arresting any illegal immigrants. One of the chants on the video says Immigrations and Customer Enforcement should be abolished. According to the Examiner, Ms. Hrabar is a paralegal specialist at the Justice Department. Ms. Hrabar said her actions were off-the-clock and not official, and that she

Starbucks burned by
social-justice appeasement as
growth stalls, stock plunges

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Washington Time, by Valerie Richardson    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 6/20/2018 11:49:31 PM     Post Reply
Starbucks may have appeased progressives with its social-justice workshops and open-bathroom policy, but such moves have failed to caffeinate the company’s bottom line. The coffee giant’s stock took a tumble Wednesday after CEO Kevin Johnson announced that Starbucks would close 150 company-owned stores next year instead of the expected 50, with an emphasis on underperforming shops in densely populated urban areas, and lowered growth projections. (Snip) The curriculum for the half-day training on implicit bias was created in part by the Perception Institute, which is headed by Planned Parenthood board member Alexis McGill Johnson and receives financial support from billionaire


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