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Black woman golfer: It was like
we had targets on our backs

Associated Press, by Staff

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Posted By:NorthernDog, 4/24/2018 2:10:28 PM

YORK, Pa. -- One of five black women golfers who were told to leave a Pennsylvania club said Tuesday it felt like they were playing "with targets on our backs." Representatives of the Grandview Golf Club in York told the group at the second hole they were playing too slowly Saturday, said Sandra Harrison. After the ninth hole, an hour-and-a-half later, the group of white men told them they took too long a break and needed to leave. Harrison said she and two other women left because they were so rattled by the treatment. "It was like we were playing

These everyday occurrences have nothing to do with race. They were playing too slowly and probably creating a logjam on the course. But maybe Starbucks will be sympathetic.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: ramona, 4/24/2018 2:27:11 PM     (No. 11612247)

According to the article the women are well known and part of a group of very experienced golfers. Something odd here.
Ramona (the Pest)

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Reply 2 - Posted by: runningdoc, 4/24/2018 2:35:34 PM     (No. 11612255)

I managed to get my cousin and myself thrown off a golf course once for driving the cart in the wrong place. I suspect there is more to the story. I must admit that I sometimes wonder why golfers who are in a hurry play? :-)

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Reply 3 - Posted by: zeldafitzg, 4/24/2018 2:37:29 PM     (No. 11612257)

Yet another setup that "just happened" to be videoed----just like the Starbucks problem with the two black men who wouldn´t leave and wouldn´t buy anything.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: EuroTim, 4/24/2018 2:38:17 PM     (No. 11612260)

An hour and a half for nine holes is decent pace. I wish everybody at my course played like that.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: EuroTim, 4/24/2018 2:39:34 PM     (No. 11612261)

I must admit that I sometimes wonder why golfers who are in a hurry play? :-)

Oh no you didn’t! I can’t believe you went there.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: bobgray2, 4/24/2018 2:48:05 PM     (No. 11612268)

It´s generally good manners to let faster players play through. There is nothing more frustrating than playing behind a group that are constantly talking, drinking, and spending inordinate amounts of time hunting lost balls.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: JHHolliday, 4/24/2018 2:49:21 PM     (No. 11612270)

As #4 posted, if was only an hour and a half then that´s pretty quick playing. Something funny going on here. A lot of clubs will ask you to leave if you hold up play. St. Andrews requires a 16 handicap and will toss you for being too slow.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: stablemoney, 4/24/2018 2:50:38 PM     (No. 11612271)

Too many blacks thinks ordinary everyday happenings are because they are black. No, it is because you are in front of someone. Nothing drives some people madder than having someone in front of them. That is your offense. It happens to all of us. Let them pass you, the purpose being to get rid of them as fast as possible, and to continue to enjoy your day, and be safe.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Bunsen, 4/24/2018 3:00:02 PM     (No. 11612287)

More likely gender than race. It was a Saturday. Lots of clubs reserve Saturdays for men only. Cause they are more important. And spend more money. And own the club.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: dwa, 4/24/2018 3:02:25 PM     (No. 11612292)

Seems if this was about race then the course management wouldn´t have let them play with five players rather than the normal four. Much ado about nothing.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: strike3, 4/24/2018 3:03:59 PM     (No. 11612294)

I can answer that, #2, #5. They are trying to finish the course before the score catches up with them.

Five women of any color in front of me in any line would drive me mad. No racism there. Sexism, maybe.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: EuroTim, 4/24/2018 3:09:31 PM     (No. 11612302)

Five players is annoying, but they were keeping up the pace.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 4/24/2018 3:22:46 PM     (No. 11612315)

I invented a came called "Mortar Ball" in which the players shoot golf balls at each other with air canons. If you miss your opponent, that counts as a ´stroke´. The looser pays for everyone else´s stitches. It´s fun, it has it´s drama and excitement and no one get´s in your way. Any disputes in the game are quickly settled merely by more play. We played it on abandoned U.S. Air Force bases. (Har!) Beats slow paced regular golf by a mile!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Newtsche, 4/24/2018 3:30:18 PM     (No. 11612321)

I used to golf regularly at Grand Marais in East St. Louis, a public course. The rudeness, hostility and lack of respect for the game exhibited by the regulars was astounding. Astounding. I was nose to nose with some of them a few times, my last time there it was with the course manager. As I told him, there are other places to golf. I miss the fun, old style little track, the folks, no.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Vaquero45, 4/24/2018 3:41:23 PM     (No. 11612334)

A review of the article indicates they were finishing the second hole when they were told they were playing too slowly. An hour and 45 minutes later, they were at the ninth green. That translates to over 2 hours for nine holes.

They should have let the people behind them play through. There´s no way that any group of women is going to finish 18 holes in less than 4 hours.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 4/24/2018 3:51:09 PM     (No. 11612342)

Just over 2 hrs. for 9 holes is an acceptable pace. But this is an AP article. And as we all know, the AP specializes in fake news.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: rabblerouser, 4/24/2018 4:13:54 PM     (No. 11612360)

If you need to have racism, but can´t find any, you manufacture it. If you are a Dem. Grain of salt, people, grain of salt.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: M2, 4/24/2018 4:27:08 PM     (No. 11612370)

Rules are rules. If you are creating a problem for other golfers you become a problem. Crybabies. I’m getting very tired of people having to apologize to black people because they are white.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 4/24/2018 4:46:23 PM     (No. 11612381)

Playing too slow simply requires allowing someone else to play though. Hardly "racisim" perhaps it´s "sportsism?"

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Italiano, 4/24/2018 4:52:38 PM     (No. 11612384)

Selma all over again...

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Reply 21 - Posted by: earlybird, 4/24/2018 5:41:36 PM     (No. 11612419)

No time to read all the comments, but I did note that the woman who seems to be spearheading this was allowed to add herself on as a 5th in what would normally be a foursome, usually a major no-no. And, surprise! surprise! she’s a lawyer...

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Reply 22 - Posted by: earlybird, 4/24/2018 5:42:48 PM     (No. 11612422)

PS. We all know that “it was like we had targets on our backs” is a black dog whistle… #BLM and ACLU and all the other racebaiting organizations hear it…know the code.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: ginadee, 4/24/2018 6:15:02 PM     (No. 11612454)

Some people several shades darker than I am always hold their hands up and sure enough, they´re skin is brown. That´s the problem alright. It never has anything to do with their conduct, disobeying rules, being rude and as in most cases being disrespectful of others.
This attitude our darker citizens have will forever hold them back from the fruits of being a good citizen and realizing equality is a two way street.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: cube, 4/24/2018 6:48:46 PM     (No. 11612483)

#21 & #22 Not only is she lawyer, but she´s the president of the York branch of the NAACP.

Sounds like a case of rules for thee and thine, but not for me and mine.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: lakerman1, 4/24/2018 6:57:30 PM     (No. 11612490)

The story has to be false.
Black people are not allowed to play golf.
Everybody knows that.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Ribald1, 4/24/2018 6:59:28 PM     (No. 11612493)

#6 I think you meant ´sex´ rather than ´gender´.
Words can have gender, but with people it is sex, male or female.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: MDConservative, 4/24/2018 7:19:01 PM     (No. 11612510)

Grandview has its 18 hole round time on the back of its scorecard - 4 hours,15 minutes or less. The first hole is a par 5, the second par 4. Most "average" female golfers have a distance deficit that is amplified on longer hole.

If one considers the final seven holes on the front nine reportedly took 90 minutes (an average of 13 minutes per hole, including time to the next tee) after the first two holes drew a rebuke for slow play...and now with a fifth player, the women´s claimed timing becomes dubious.

Did the starter on the first tee record their tee-off time? That´s common on weekends with pace of play enforced by rangers. Eliminates pace of play arguments.

BTW, Grandview´s local rules prohibit "playing through" on weekends. Were those playing behind them asked by the reporter to corroborate their story? Apparently not. And who authorized a fifth player? On a weekend? Added to an already slow foursome?

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Reply 28 - Posted by: falconer, 4/24/2018 7:59:05 PM     (No. 11612555)

Allowing a group of 5 on Saturday is asking for trouble. The article says that a group of white men complained of the slow play coming from the group playing in front of them. Perhaps if it were a group of Jewish Japanese Aborigines that complained, it might have been okay. The article does not address the tell tale sign that would prove that the group of 5 black women were indeed playing too slow........where was the unmentioned group located who were playing in front of the five some? If there was a size able gap there, then they were indeed playing too slow. Fore!

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Cactus, 4/24/2018 8:46:54 PM     (No. 11612608)

Being a white female golfer I can say we have our issues too. Not the least of which is playing behind both slow women golfers as well as men. A friend and I were accused of holding up play by a group of men behind us. We had to wait to tee off many times because of a group of men ahead of us. They must have had a lot of money bet on the game as it took forever for the putts to fall. One time we were going to play at a municipal course and two men had been assigned to play with us. One refused and joined the group ahead of us. We don’t like to play with men like that anyway. And then rhere was the Air Force Base golf course where women weren’t allowed to play before 1 pm on Saturday - until a new base commander was assigned who played golf. Oops. She was a woman. Good golfer too!

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Reply 30 - Posted by: peebster, 4/24/2018 9:51:47 PM     (No. 11612666)

To clarify...the article states that they finished the last 7 holes in an hour and 45 minutes. That´s 15 minutes per hole. Given that, the first two holes should have taken a half hour. Total for the front nine would be 2:15-2:30 making it a 4.5 to 5 hour round. Not horrible, but not fast. One could assume they tried to speed up on the last seven but probably didn´t as they seem clueless or even disdainful of golf etiquette. After being spoken to, then they take a break after 9? I´m sorry but that is just downright belligerent given they were told to speed up. And girls, no one is on you because you´re black, it´s because you´re holding up the course.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: chase9365, 4/25/2018 3:47:50 AM     (No. 11612825)

Fivesome? What´s that?

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Reply 32 - Posted by: paral04, 4/25/2018 6:10:05 AM     (No. 11612854)

One of five? How does that work? I thought the most in a group is four?

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As a committed Christian, I was happy to see the open presentation of the Christian faith at Saturday´s Royal Wedding. (snip) In a quick moment, Bishop Curry turned to the socialist world message of "Love." It snuck in through the side door of the church and landed on the lectern with hardly a noise. Curry later compounded his mistake by going down several rabbit trails that had nothing to do with a wedding, including a discussion of slavery. Worse were comments on Dr. King, who certainly was rolling over in his grave by that point, including quoting Dr. King´s favorite

Murphy: GOP Knows ´Everything
Is Different´ and Gun Rights
´Might´ Cost Party Election

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PJ Media, by Nicholas Ballasy    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 5/20/2018 11:57:16 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON – Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) predicted that the Republican Party’s “genetic attachment” to the National Rifle Association “might actually cost them” seats in midterm elections. “It’s not as if we are convincing people what the right thing to do is. We’ve won the argument – 90 percent of Americans think that we should have universal background checks. Today, 67 percent of Americans, two-thirds of Americans think that should regulate the purchase and sale of assault weapons,” Murphy said at the Center for American Progress Ideas Conference on Tuesday. Murphy said the Republican Party’s relationship with the NRA has become more important

Ex-New Orleans Mayor Mitch
Landrieu gets JFK award for
removing Confederate monuments

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Associated Press, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 5/20/2018 11:19:17 AM     Post Reply
Boston — The former mayor of New Orleans is being honored for his leadership in removing Confederate memorials in his city. Mitch Landrieu will be presented with the 2018 John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award for standing behind his decision to take down four monuments. The John F. Kennedy Library Foundation is paying tribute to Landrieu for taking the action despite legal challenges and outright threats from those who insist the Confederacy is an important part of New Orleans’ heritage. President Kennedy’s grandson, Jack Schlossberg, is scheduled to make Sunday night’s presentation.

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