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Empty half the Earth of its humans.
It´s the only way to save the planet

Guardian [UK], by Kim Stanley Robinson

Original Article

Posted By:Pluperfect, 3/21/2018 4:38:23 AM

Discussing cities is like talking about the knots in a net: they’re crucial, but they’re only one part of the larger story of the net and what it’s supposed to do. It makes little sense to talk about knots in isolation when it’s the net that matters. Cities are part of the system we’ve invented to keep people alive on Earth. People tend to like cities, and have been congregating in them ever since the invention of agriculture, 10,000 or so years ago. That’s why we call it civilisation. This origin story underlines how agriculture made cities possible, by providing

You go first, buddy.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: KatieJo, 3/21/2018 4:45:07 AM     (No. 11578215)

Agree with OP, and by the way, I don´t like cities.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: TulsaTowner, 3/21/2018 4:47:50 AM     (No. 11578217)

I suggest the half that is living off the rest of us.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: ladydawgfan, 3/21/2018 4:58:22 AM     (No. 11578219)

Start with the earth Nazis!! They´re the ones soooo concerned with overpopulation and the condition of the planet. Let THEM show us that they actually have the courage of their convictions to do something meaningful about it!!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Pros7767, 3/21/2018 5:07:05 AM     (No. 11578221)

I nominate liberals & Progressives!

They contribute nothing but aggravation and divisiveness.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: F15 Gork, 3/21/2018 5:40:28 AM     (No. 11578227)

I suspect that the elites will figure out a way to enable only them to dwell in the empty half....

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Reply 6 - Posted by: franq, 3/21/2018 5:43:43 AM     (No. 11578228)

Here we go again. Got an old M.R. DeHaan bible study at a church yard sale recently. "The Days of Noah". Written in 1963 but even more relevant today.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Attila DiMedici, 3/21/2018 5:45:53 AM     (No. 11578231)

Paul Ehrlich made the same argument in 1968, and was proven wrong.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Trigger2, 3/21/2018 5:50:59 AM     (No. 11578233)

Sorry Kim, but you should look at facts before you spill your swill. Cities are dens of criminal activity. Witness SF, LA, NYC, Chicago, etc. Why don´t you plead to get rid of the free and open criminal element that resides in them? Is it because you prefer that element?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 3/21/2018 6:48:20 AM     (No. 11578256)

Maybe start by getting rid of the half that doesn´t work. (That may include some liberal writers.)

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Udanja99, 3/21/2018 6:59:22 AM     (No. 11578263)

I won’t take this guy seriously until he removes himself from the planet.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Zarin, 3/21/2018 7:02:32 AM     (No. 11578265)

Who is this writer trying to convince? Move everybody to the cities?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 3/21/2018 7:21:47 AM     (No. 11578275)

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

So turn everything over to a Soviet style planning agency that will set all in order for the good of the planet.

Yeah, sure, we KNOW how that turned out. The planners made out pretty well. The rest of the people, not so much. The planet, not at all.

Such prophets want us to accept their dubious declarations of disaster without challenge. They then paint the pretty picture created by their solution. BOCare ring a bell? If they couldn´t properly plan a healthcare system for one country, HOW could they possibly manage the ecosystem for the whole planet?

The truth is that their threat is overblown and their solution is impossible. Just because someone can paint a picture of their impression of Heaven doesn´t mean they have the slightest ability to actually create Heaven.

I do have to say that getting rid of the Left would make the planet much more livable. Maybe they would be willing to sacrifice for the cause they so believe in?

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Throwback, 3/21/2018 8:24:09 AM     (No. 11578315)

Don´t worry. Your Democrat buddies supplied Iran with the means to "de-populate" large swaths of the Earth´s surface.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 3/21/2018 8:25:39 AM     (No. 11578316)

I do not have a name for this kind of philosophy. But, in objective truth, this is the first time I have seen this addressed publically. It is the truth- the problem is not a pollution, or ecology or global warming (bologna) problem. It is a ´too GD many people´ problem.

All the social BS, the raging illegal immigration, the socialism, the craziness- that is all about too many people. And with the new age of digital communication, now they ALL want first world goodies and they simply can not have them. The world was fine when only 1% of the people had plenty to eat, good housing, refrigerators, cars, air conditioning while 99% were still lugging water 12 miles from the nearest mud hole, living on a bowl of rice every two days. But, now, that is over and it is over almost instantly.

Humans are not part of nature anymore. They are nature predators. They shifted from being contributors to being parasites about 3,000 years ago.

How to solve it? We do not solve it. We first can not bring ourselves to even discuss it rationally. No one want´s to participate- naturally. So, Mother nature will solve it for us. And probably pretty soon. She solves mistletoe, doesn´t she? Too bad, too. We are smart enough to solve it. But, we are emotional toddlers. Emotionally, we as animals, are absolute basket cases.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: gusman, 3/21/2018 9:03:33 AM     (No. 11578345)

Think all liberals should volunteer!!!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: stencil, 3/21/2018 9:31:12 AM     (No. 11578366)

Thanks, dad.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: MickinPhoenix, 3/21/2018 9:38:54 AM     (No. 11578372)

Who gets to pick out the winners and losers? Hopefully not the gaggle of morons now occupying congress. Sorry to say I think us Keepers are outnumbered by the Takers....Mick

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Ribald1, 3/21/2018 10:01:55 AM     (No. 11578393)

Find your way to a nearby bridge Kim, The solution lies there.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Aubreyesque, 3/21/2018 10:11:47 AM     (No. 11578405)

Number Fourteen should read OP´s comment.

You first.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: toddh, 3/21/2018 11:08:01 AM     (No. 11578456)

Robinson is one of the worst - and therefore, most celebrated - "science" fiction authors since L. Ron Hubbard. Even his biggest fans admit that he´s boring. Having read his smackhead travelogue "Red Mars" I believe they´re being too kind, but fans will fan. Maybe it helps to be high on oxy, I don´t know, never had any. If you´re on anything weaker, his work is painful. If you´re sober, forget it.

Now that the Reader Advisory is out of the way,

"So these emptied landscapes should not be called wilderness. Wilderness is a good idea in certain contexts, but these emptied lands would be working landscapes, commons perhaps, where pasturage and agriculture might still have a place."

That´s right, move all the agriculturalists into the cities, commandeer their land, and run it as common property.

It worked so well in the Soviet Union and China, didn´t it?

Robinson´s too bad a writer to actually say what he means. He means to kill more hundreds of millions of people, on purpose, through starvation.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: dvc, 3/21/2018 12:31:44 PM     (No. 11578520)

OK, no problem.

All those other folks go first.

What dangerous, dangerous people leftists are.

And yet, if you listen long enough, they will tell you what they REALLY want.

Another reason for the 2nd Amendment.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: dvc, 3/21/2018 12:35:42 PM     (No. 11578523)

Another way to start the civil war.

At least we can be armed. Now much of the planet would have to fight armies with sticks and bows and arrows?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: msjena, 3/21/2018 1:29:43 PM     (No. 11578581)

It´s really hard to figure out what this author is suggesting. He seems to be saying that people should congregate in cities and leave the rest of the earth uninhabited. But then he says it´s already happening. So it´s unclear what his point is. He also suggests that there would be work in the uninhabited areas. So I guess those areas would have to be populated after all. This is just more liberal/fascist lunacy. We saw how well social engineering worked under Mao and Pol Pot.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 3/21/2018 3:14:39 PM     (No. 11578681)

The tyrants of the world will use this guy as an excuse so take this seriously. More for them, afterall. You don´t want to be home when they come in force and knock down your door. You won´t be able to fight them.

Just look at history. China´s Mao. Russia´s Stalin. Hitler´s Germany. Look at Venezuela, North Korea, and Iran today. Look at ISIS and what they did when they setup a nation. How many people died?

What will happen to the democracies of the world if civil unrest becomes too wide spread? What are the odds they will slip into brutal dictatorships deciding who will live and who will die?

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Reply 25 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 3/21/2018 3:47:51 PM     (No. 11578720)

People who live in cities, from the very beginning, did so as a matter of convenience and commerce. That´s where businesses, and therefore jobs, are centralized. It certainly wasn´t because of the aesthetics of living in loud, congested, polluted and crime laden streets with up to millions of others, with no sense of community.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: MissMann, 3/21/2018 5:13:44 PM     (No. 11578822)

Lead the way, buddy.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: stencil, 3/21/2018 9:31:40 PM     (No. 11579078)

I´ll admit I haven´t read the article and do not intend to. The post at 14 is simple, it doesn´t address all possible solutions, of course but there is much truth. If we do not resolve our "carrying-capacity" problem, as a species, ourselves, it will be resolved for us, at least on this earth.

We should have a comprehensive and open-ended world-wide discussion (or argument) on curbing population growth. All beings, naturally, want to reproduce themselves; we must curb that instinct before it is curbed for us ...

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