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Academics reeling as market discipline
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American Thinker, by Thomas Lifson

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Posted By:magnante, 3/16/2018 8:27:42 AM

If you are sick and tired of professors indoctrinating students in politicized classes that teach nothing of any use in real life, and hate the idea that tenure immunizes them from accountability, the next decade or so is going to provide some relief. The reckoning is coming, as shocked professors at a University of Wisconsin campus just discovered. The higher education bubble that Professor Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit has forecast to burst has just popped in Stevens Point, Wisconsin. It turns out that you can’t earn a living teaching subjects that students aren’t that interested in. Even if you have

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Attila DiMedici, 3/16/2018 8:44:40 AM     (No. 11573475)

Unfortunately, this will not yet touch the true cause of rapidly rising Higher Education costs, bloated Administration.

Many colleges and universities have increased their costs by adding layers of highly paid administrators. They will not be impacted by these changes.

However, there is good news, as we have seen from corporate downsizing, getting rid of deadwood at the "bottom" reveals who is deadwood in middle management and above. It is unfortunate that this process often results in getting rid of otherwise productive front line employees.


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Reply 2 - Posted by: Whamdbambam, 3/16/2018 8:54:46 AM     (No. 11573489)

Yes, the explosion in the numbers of highly-compensated educational "administrators" is at least as much a source of unrealistic educational costs at all levels.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Bubby, 3/16/2018 8:55:24 AM     (No. 11573490)

FTA "The cohorts of students headed for colleges and universities is declining, and tuition has now priced itself beyond reach for many. The folly of student loan indebtedness is becoming clear to more and more young people and their parents." Exactly student loans can take a lifetime to payoff.

Just search the internet for strange college majors and it´s unbelievable the garbage that is offered today. Who is going to hire a graduate in for example "Puppetry", "Bagpiping", "Comic Art"?


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Reply 4 - Posted by: ilovedogs, 3/16/2018 9:02:49 AM     (No. 11573500)

Maybe it´s just me but these majors they are cutting seem rather important.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Aubreyesque, 3/16/2018 9:05:34 AM     (No. 11573507)

Im a little amazed that geosciences are taking a hit, considering how vastly integral Geographic Information data in the form of GPS and technology has become to the ordering of our 21st century society. I should think the maps we use in our cars and phones would be an important resource to maintain, as well how it functions for our utilities and emergency services.

Geography itself has given me a greater appreciation for the land as well as society. I think if there were an effort to better educate people on geography, it wouldnt become the baby that gets tossed out with the bath water.

(and yes, I have a bias: my minor was in Geography from what was in the 80s considered to be the best Geography dept in the US).

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Reply 6 - Posted by: strike3, 3/16/2018 9:11:41 AM     (No. 11573520)

I have been anticipating this day for a long time and we now have five solid years of steady student enrollment decline. I did not finish a degree program but took enough solid business and accounting courses to enhance my career in computer technology to the point that I was making more money than all of my masters degree friends, not to mention having a much more interesting and solid career. Simple economics will force these leftist wasp nests to downsize and and rid themselves of non-education expenses, even sports. When corporate downsizing began in the eighties, savvy companies went straight for middle management and the strategy saved most of them. It´s going to get very interesting as market forces begin to affect these schools. The best part is, they deserve the lesson.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Clinger, 3/16/2018 9:26:10 AM     (No. 11573538)

I fear important fields will die from market rejection because of the manner in which it is taught not the inherent value. History comes to mind. If taught correctly we´d learn not to touch the hot stove and wouldn´t need to burn ourselves again. But that might run counter to our thirst for giving communism another go. "Hey Rocky,.... this time for sure"

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Reply 8 - Posted by: seamusm, 3/16/2018 9:28:48 AM     (No. 11573541)

Overdue, of course. But maybe especially in this time of online opportunities for learning including self-learning, higher ed departments should be tied to post-grad employment. If some percentage of graduates cannot find a job within 1 year after school - then the deparment should be shuttered. And this would include grad schools awarding worthless PhD´s. Overall tuition might even fall.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: strike3, 3/16/2018 9:45:28 AM     (No. 11573560)

Law schools are already further along in this process with enrollment down and a glut of lawyers already in the field, new lawyers are lucky to find work as fry chefs. Students can´t plan their careers based on past performance but need to anticipate what is going to happen when they graduate.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 3/16/2018 10:11:20 AM     (No. 11573604)

Where will a student go if they want a higher education in ´Underwater Basket Weaving´ or Glass Blowing & Design?
I didn´t see them cutting African Studies but they cut History especially history of this nation. I remember having to take the required subject of Greek Mythology now there´s a doosey if there ever was one I believe it was part of English. Good for Gov. Scott and Wisconsin.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: congar, 3/16/2018 10:23:46 AM     (No. 11573624)

Mercy, reality nips at the ankles of our haloed professorial class. Just imagining dirty finger nails makes them go into a hysterical breakdown.
Here no one ever taught them about market forces, only the leftist bible of Karl Marx.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Crashnburn, 3/16/2018 10:25:59 AM     (No. 11573627)

#6, sports are generally funded separately from academics. Usually, football and basketball generate enough revenues to fund the other sports teams, and the athletic departments.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: rfr46, 3/16/2018 10:38:12 AM     (No. 11573645)

Bravo. Good start. Not every university needs to offer every course of studies. There is massive overcapacity in "higher" education, and it needs to be slashed.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: msjena, 3/16/2018 10:44:44 AM     (No. 11573657)

So this branch of the U of W is basically a trade school. I am glad I majored in English. I am also glad I have taken adult education courses in philosophy and the Great Books. I didn´t need to do college as trade school. I have been employed in a professional job for over 30 years.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Travis Mcgee, 3/16/2018 11:02:06 AM     (No. 11573681)

Mr. Lifson raises some very good points. However, I think there is another factor at play here.

There are 26 campuses in the UW system, including 13 that offer a minimum 4 year bachelor degree. The population of Wisconsin is 5.8 million.

In contrast the University of Minnesota has 5 campuses with a population of 5.6 million.

The UW system is over-saturated. With so many campuses to choose from students tend to attend the one closest to their hometown.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: NotaBene, 3/16/2018 11:07:16 AM     (No. 11573692)

At least the University of Wisconsin is not cutting Back on Women, African American, and Chicana and Chicano Studies. S

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 3/16/2018 11:19:16 AM     (No. 11573709)

Good to see the really important degrees like lesbian studies and Afrocentric quotas are still in place. Shocked that Spanish is being dropped. How will peoplelearn to communicate with all the illegals in this country?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Talk2, 3/16/2018 11:20:54 AM     (No. 11573710)

I´m old enough to remember when college courses were college courses and not the left wing PC garbage so many pay so much to get a diploma as useless as teats on a boar hog. As the years passed and Vietnam came along colleges became breeding grounds for non-thinking useful idiots for leftist theology/causes. Unfortunately for the country those useful idiots turned into college professors in teacher, journalism and other soft core courses perfect for warping inexperienced students´ minds. I saw firsthand what happens when one of those useful idiots gets a gradebook and uses it to control thought in a classroom. Good on ya Stevens Point and may the force be with you.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: maryann4629, 3/16/2018 11:34:15 AM     (No. 11573736)

#10, #16, and #17--I just checked the website and I couldn´t find where UW-SP is offering majors in Underwater Basket Weaving, any branch of Ethnic Studies, or Lesbian Studies.

I do think this is sad. I majored in English, minored in history at a different UW campus some 40 years ago. There is a lot to be learned from all of those fields, even if they don´t lead to a lucrative job.

The problem is that when students have to go many thousands of $$$ in debt to get a college degree, they have to look at the kinds of jobs for which their degrees will prepare them. The result is that universities are little more than glorified trade schools.

The way to change this is to get government money out of higher education.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: dvc, 3/16/2018 11:43:19 AM     (No. 11573750)

UW-Madison is perhaps the most extreme leftist college campus in the nation, and has been for 40 years or more. They were very violent in the 60s and early 70s, too. Only Berkeley has a shot at matching their extremism, from what I have seen. Anything bad that happens to UW-Madison is a good thing for America. I wonder if this isn´t just dumping a outlying campus to prop up the failing Madison main campus and their extremists?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: msjena, 3/16/2018 12:01:24 PM     (No. 11573776)

I agree with #19. The cost of college is out of control and the reason is because of student loans. Colleges raise their tuition according to how much money the government will lend to students. Without basically unlimited loans (the PLUS loans are pretty much available to anyone--though they put the parents on the hook), tuition rises accordingly. Take away the loans and college would have to become more affordable--or go out of business.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Arby, 3/16/2018 12:06:05 PM     (No. 11573785)

You´ll know that the budget cutters are serious when they lay off administrators in charge of diversity and inclusion.

It is appalling to cut central disciplines; Stevens Point can no longer call itself a university. On the other hand, if your beef is with what some of these disciplines have done to themselves, I agree with you. There are other ways to deal with those problems, however.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Butch59, 3/16/2018 12:36:14 PM     (No. 11573815)

Making some changes in a few University´s in a good think, however, one the the really big problem in down the the first grade to high school´s in the entire country. Every since JFK wrote executive order 10988 that allowed federal employees to be unionized. And later, that was trickled down to any public employees. And now the unions run the public schools. Someone, someone, has to get the unions out of the public system. Governor Scott made a good start. Now it needs to be done in the next 49 states.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Caveman, 3/16/2018 12:45:15 PM     (No. 11573825)

With respect to things like Geoscience, there is really no need for an advanced degree to work in these fields anymore. Technology has taken them over, and now anyone with a small amount of training and a computer science degree can do them.

The problem with education isn´t college, it is k-12. I know a high school senior that believes North is whichever way she is currently facing.
Wrap your head around that.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: luandir, 3/16/2018 12:57:06 PM     (No. 11573834)

So what´s left? Environmental Justice, Feminist Studies, and Native American Filmmaking? I´m not at all sure this is a step forward.

I´m glad to see that the more objectively-based subjects like the sciences weren´t touched, but the disciplines axed have a long-established place in the humanities.

IMO, the more "contemporary" and/or "relevant" a major, the more suspiciously it should be evaluated.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: FormerDem, 3/16/2018 1:19:56 PM     (No. 11573860)

although online courses have their own risks. i signed up for a programming course at HarvardX and took an intro survey (which was optional) and it asked about my ethnicity and what I thought of Trump and the Supreme Court. This was to learn R. I did not have to fill the thing out, of course. Anyway I turned away from HarvardX to DataCamp for the same course.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: FormerDem, 3/16/2018 1:23:12 PM     (No. 11573862)

oh, also about HarvardX they wanted to know whether I was first in my family to complete some degree of learning. Nope! Not by a long shot. So I figured the professor would be pining to see me sink beneath the waves.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Omen, 3/16/2018 3:00:03 PM     (No. 11573938)

Capitalism is what they hate.
Now it will destroy dem.
Poetic Justice.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 3/16/2018 6:53:42 PM     (No. 11574108)

State Universities use taxpayers as an ATM and Federal foreign student subsidies as a cash cow.
"Admit ´em and forget ´em"

A fellow alumnus Engineer got laid off in early 2000 and was out of steady work for 2 years with NO jobs in sight. He ended up at our University´s Engineering Banquet one night where a Professor was dunning grads for money, stating, "Industry demand for Engineers has never been higher!" My acquaintance gladly corrected that Professor´s total disconnect from reality soon after his speech. I then realized major universities are just "sausage factories," herding them in, processing them, and pushing them out into the world. They couldn´t care less what happens after you take your diploma. None.

My big revelation as an undergrad was this: anything you can do as a hobby shouldn´t be your major! History is just such a hobby you don´t need a BA degree to enjoy, much less a PhD. Sociology, English, and Political Science are equal wastes of money and time.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Packard Man, 3/16/2018 9:35:45 PM     (No. 11574251)

Back in the 60´s ´Poly Sci´ was the pre-requisite for law school as ´Bio/Chem´ was for medical school.

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Posted By: JoniTx- 7/19/2018 1:14:09 PM     Post Reply
Rep. Maxine Waters warned supporters on Wednesday of potential "armed protests" against her after an extremist group called for ongoing demonstrations outside her office in Los Angeles. In a lengthy statement issued late Wednesday, Waters, D-Calif., said she’d been notified about forthcoming protests by the Oath Keepers, which she described as "an anti-government militia" that´s staged armed protests in cities across the country. She warned her supporters against being "baited" into counter-demonstrations or confrontations with the organization, which she said has a track record of "violent and provocative behavior." (Photo) "I am requesting those individuals and groups planning a counter-protest

Liberals Send Female Senate Democrats
‘Pee-Proof’ Underwear to Oppose
Trump’s SCOTUS Pick

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Washington Free Beacon, by Elizabeth Harrington    Original Article
Posted By: crankyyankee- 7/19/2018 3:06:28 PM     Post Reply
Liberals are sending care packages to female Democratic senators to oppose Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh, including "pee-proof" underwear to use in their opposition to President Trump´s court pick. THINX and Icon, the companies behind the "period sex blanket" and absorbent underwear for bladder leaks, sent "endurance packages" to senators Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D., N.Y.).

Did The FBI Ignore Evidence That A
´Foreign Entity´ Hacked Clinton´s Emails?

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: RockyTCB- 7/19/2018 6:09:58 AM     Post Reply
Email Scandal: Last week we learned that a "foreign entity" may have been secretly receiving Hillary Clinton´s emails while she was Secretary of State, including many that contained classified information. And that the FBI apparently ignored this information during its "investigation." The reaction by the press to this bombshell? Crickets. At one point during Peter Strzok´s congressional testimony last week, Rep. Louie Gohmert made a stunning claim: FBI investigators were told that Clinton´s emails had been surreptitiously forwarded to a "foreign entity." And the FBI investigators who were allegedly conducting a thorough, unbiased, professional probe into Clinton´s

Miami Dolphins´ anthem discipline
a policy only dictator would love

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USA Today, by Nancy Armour    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 7/19/2018 8:47:19 PM     Post Reply
Beating your wife is worse than protesting during the national anthem. So, too, is sexually assaulting a woman. While that might seem obvious, it needs to be clarified given The Associated Press´ report Thursday that the Miami Dolphins are now including protesting during the anthem on their list of "conduct detrimental to the club." Under NFL rules, that´s an offense punishable by a suspension of up to four games. The Dolphins later told the AP that "all options are still open." But to give you an idea of how heinous at least one NFL team sees trying to draw attention to racial and economic inequality, a four-game suspension is

‘Street fighter’ Avenatti says he’s giving
‘serious thought’ to White House run

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The Hill, by Amie Parnes    Original Article
Posted By: RockyTCB- 7/19/2018 7:49:36 AM     Post Reply
Michael Avenatti says he’s the “street fighter” Democrats need if they’re going to win the White House in 2020. Avenatti, a lawyer who has become a household name — or at least has sought to become one — with his media appearances representing adult-film star Stormy Daniels, says he’s “giving serious thought” to running for president. He says he’s skeptical that the politicians now seen as likely contenders in the 2020 presidential race can beat President Trump. The Democratic Party needs “a street fighter … someone that can give as good as they take,” he said. “Let us remember that

One FBI text message in Russia probe
that should alarm every American

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The Hill [DC], by John Solomon    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/20/2018 4:49:01 AM     Post Reply
Lisa Page and Peter Strzok, the reported FBI lovebirds, are the poster children for the next “Don’t Text and Investigate” public service ads airing soon at an FBI office near you. Their extraordinary texting affair on their government phones has given the FBI a black eye, laying bare a raw political bias brought into the workplace that agents are supposed to check at the door when they strap on their guns and badges. It is no longer in dispute that they held animus for Donald Trump, who was a subject of their Russia probe, or that they openly discussed using the powers


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