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Does the California Model
Really Work?

Tribune Content Agency, by Jonah Goldberg

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Posted By:zoidberg, 1/19/2018 7:54:36 AM

The alleged success of the California model is one of the more intense controversies in the nerdier corners of public-policy debate. For many progressives, California’s metastasizing liberalism proves you can have Scandinavian-style social policies and tax rates and still have robust economic growth. For conservatives, California is like a bumblebee. On paper, the damn thing shouldn’t be able to fly — and yet it does. Thus the cottage industry on the right of prophesizing California’s inevitable demise. What’s always bothered me about the whole argument is how it leaves out important factors. For me, the biggest one was always geography

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 1/19/2018 8:18:17 AM     (No. 11515407)

Like the Donner Party said, you cannot eat the scenery. Eventually the people who like CA´s landscapes and weather will be driven away too - unless they are on welfare, or are millionaires.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: chance_232, 1/19/2018 8:19:23 AM     (No. 11515410)

I lived in LA in the 90´s and have gone back several times.

The traffic is worse.
The roads are not maintained as they once were.
Graffiti is worse.
Crime is worse.
The smog is worse.
The cost of living is through the roof.

And I could go on. California is racing to find the tipping point where the negatives outweigh the weather and the state´s natural beauty.

I reached my tipping point in 96 after one too many riots, robberies, murders, fires, mudslides and earthquakes. All in my neighborhood.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 1/19/2018 8:20:28 AM     (No. 11515412)

it works great if you are creating another 3rd world s--thole like Mexico. Apparently #NeverTrumper has never spent much time here.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Namma, 1/19/2018 8:21:23 AM     (No. 11515413)

OUR Federal tax dollars go to subsidize California. Stop the flow of our money into California and it becomes a s**thole. My friends want out. Said it’s to expensive to live in there.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Beancounter, 1/19/2018 8:25:47 AM     (No. 11515423)

It takes time to run out of other people’s money. I’ve lived in Northern California for 50 years and it really started to go down hill fast about 20 years ago.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Knotwyrkin, 1/19/2018 8:29:32 AM     (No. 11515432)

Sooner or later the cost of living and the constant need for more "other peoples money" will outweigh the nice weather, and the house of cards will collapse.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: F15 Gork, 1/19/2018 8:39:47 AM     (No. 11515441)

Yeah, human defication and urination in public has made me a believer....

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Reply 8 - Posted by: happy conservative, 1/19/2018 8:46:31 AM     (No. 11515453)

Mr. Goldberg you are truly deluded if you think the CA "model" works. You don´t live here.

The only way it "works" is if you believe people fleeing in droves, nasty traffic anytime day or night, higher taxes that still climb higher, a senile governor and complete democrat congress that passes any and every bizarre regulation/law it wants is working.

Everybody, stop thinking all of CA is nuts. Do I think you´re nuts for living in a state that endures yearly hurricanes, tornadoes or twelve feet of snow? No. Home is home. I´ve lived here my whole life; and while we´re thinking of moving to another state in the next few years jobs, family, and church are precious to us. Yes, i´m disgusted by Moonbat/Moonbeam, but would you leave all you love to avoid your governor and the derelict politicians in your state? If you can say yes, more power to you.

CA isn´t working it´s just surviving. And it wouldn´t were it not for federal assistance and the military. That´s a big reason the secession movement will never work.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: ByteGuru, 1/19/2018 8:54:11 AM     (No. 11515464)

At least Goldberg acknowledges that if SD or Nebraska were to model their state after CA, it would fail spectacularly, and CA will fail also. CA has the climate that some number of folk are willing to pay for but that number is dwindling. The BIG quake may be CAs only hope.


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Reply 10 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/19/2018 8:54:57 AM     (No. 11515467)

We lived there as young just-marrieds, but even so many years ago, the cost of living in southern California was more than we could sustain. We stayed three years and then returned to our own God´s country, Texas.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: valinva, 1/19/2018 8:55:47 AM     (No. 11515469)

I used to travel to So Cal about every 6 weeks for business back in the 90s. I would get of the plane and feel at home. We considered moving there when I was offered a job in Orange County but it was too hard to move the kids and leave our family and friends (from the east coast). A couple of jobs later I was no longer traveling there on a regular basis but every time I did I saw changes that were not good. I spent a week out there last June and was shocked and dismayed to see the dirty highways with traffic jams during 4 hour "rush" hours in what used to be a beautiful and pristine paradise. I am so thankful that we did not move there and I don´t care if I every go back.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Aud, 1/19/2018 9:08:33 AM     (No. 11515482)

I made a quick list of the states with the 5 extremes of high and low supplemental poverty rates. High rates (The District of Columbia, of course is not a state): CA 23.8, DC 22.7, FL 19.5, AZ 18.8, NY and NV tied at 18.1. Low rates: IA 8.6, ND and WY tied at 9.2, MN 9.7, NE 9.8, MD 10.1. Surprised at Maryland.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: thomthomp, 1/19/2018 9:11:43 AM     (No. 11515487)

I used to go to San Francisco at least once a year just to enjoy the city, but prices went up while the enjoyment went down. The last visit, several years ago, was punctuated with bums on the sidewalk and the smell of urine in the streets. Haven´t been back since. Liberals ruin everything they touch.


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Reply 14 - Posted by: bighambone, 1/19/2018 10:07:35 AM     (No. 11515547)

California has the biggest inflow of illegal aliens in the entire country. Common sense will tell you that with human nature being what it is, that “Open borders” and a greatly expending welfare state can never succeed, but that’s the liberal Democrat plan in California now, as that state continues to draw millions of mostly all poor, uneducated, unskilled, and socialist oriented illegal aliens into that state, in defiance of the federal immigration laws.

It is the publically stated position of the leftist liberal Democrats who control California State Government that only illegal aliens who have very serious and violent criminal convictions should be subject to deportation in the future, thus allowing the illegal alien population there to grow exponentially, as Democrat political efforts are continued to legalize just about every illegal alien, and to transform those illegalized aliens, who are all citizens of foreign countries, mostly Mexico, into being given “duel national” status so they can become foreign born Democrat voters in the years ahead. Those California liberal Democrats are bound to eventually run out of everybody else’s money sooner or later, and that’s when they will have succeeded in turning California into just another “s**thole” place like Mexico.

Right now as Mexican illegal alien protestors in California go about burning the American flag while claiming that it would be unconscionable to deport them back to to their homeland, in most cases Mexico, they would tell you that they are better off lounging in a California jail or prison then returning home to live in Mexico.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Ribald1, 1/19/2018 10:48:07 AM     (No. 11515604)

First of all CA is NOT subsidized by the Federal Government. We pay more than twice in federal taxes than any other state, and the Feds own almost a third of our state depriving us of hundreds of millions in GDP.
We don´t mind hosting more military bases than any other state but they are on property worth $billions and counting the money they spend on their own property does not count as spending on us.
The ´California model´ does work. Before the Feds abandoned their obligation to defend our borders we built the second largest economy in the world, and had the invasion not happened, we would still hold that position.
Not long ago we gave you Ronald Reagan, please repay the favor by helping us get back to that rather than constantly kicking us.
When we crawl out of this mess, we will still have a larger economy than your state and still carry a disproportionate amount of the load when it comes to defending this country.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: strike3, 1/19/2018 10:52:11 AM     (No. 11515609)

Not mentioned at all is the huge pachyderm in the room, billion dollar debt that is incurred to sustain it all. Those who have ever fallen into the credit card black hole know that you eventually reach a point where you can´t even pay the growing interest and then it´s all over. The 900,000 guvmint drones mentioned have created pension liability that can not be paid even with sky high taxes. When garbage collectors make more money than IT professionals elsewhere, you know that something is out of kilter. They have kicked the can down the road so far that they are quickly running out of road.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 1/19/2018 11:19:16 AM     (No. 11515676)

Ha! I love the comparison to the disbelief that a bumble bee can fly in spite of all outward appearance that it should not. Yes, California does work economically. but, if we take our analogy of the improbable bumble bee flying, the real question is: How well does it fly considering the burden it has of heavy weight, small wings, draggy body?

Just think how well California could have flown if it did not have the burden of Leftist Communist Socialist idiots running things. Instead of having to compare it to the unlikely bumble bee, it would be compared to eagles.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Talega, 1/19/2018 11:44:16 AM     (No. 11515719)

I didn´t leave California, California left me.

Boot camp in San Diego, active duty @ Camp Pendleton, career in the 80´s and 90´s as a commodity trader. But by 2000, I´d had enough. Wifey was offered a management gig in Texas and we took it! Thank God.

First couple of years, I missed the Hotel California [You can checkout any time you like, but you can never leave] Even considered a retirement beach condo in Del Mar now that the kids are in college. No way in hell now.

California is a beautiful girl with herpes.

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