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African immigrants are more educated than
most — including people born in US

Los Angeles Times, by Ann M. Simmons

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Posted By:Maggie2u, 1/14/2018 9:22:41 AM

Lots of the news from sub-Saharan Africa is about war, famine, poverty or political upheaval. So it’s understandable if many Americans think most Africans who immigrate to the United States are poorly educated and desperate. Research tells another story. While many are refugees, large numbers are beneficiaries of the diversity-visa program aimed at boosting immigration from underrepresented nations. And on average, African immigrants are better educated than people born in the U.S. or the immigrant population as a whole.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Newtsche, 1/14/2018 9:27:16 AM     (No. 11509905)

With the NEA, the Dept. of Education and people like Bill Ayers developing curricula, how can this be?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: BarryNo, 1/14/2018 9:35:47 AM     (No. 11509916)

I believe Asians top the list. Africans, IF they come from the cream of society have the opportunity to be well educated, provided they don´t buy their way through classes,like our Ivy Leaguers do.

To the Liberal Elite, education is unimportant. It´s who you know. As a result anyone being taught by those people holding that attitude, suffer, educationally, which is why our education system is in the state its in.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: fobo, 1/14/2018 9:37:45 AM     (No. 11509921)

a study in apples and oranges. First, I´d suggest that home health care workers, while important, do not represent a highly educated segment of any populace and to conflate them with doctors is, shall we say, specious. Second, colleges in the dark continent are not the equivalent of US colleges (as bad as some of them are) so being degreed in Upper Volta is not quite the equivalent of Rutgers.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Canuckchopper, 1/14/2018 9:38:58 AM     (No. 11509923)

Evidently the African ecclesiastical colleges are far tougher than anything in north America or Europe.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Cavallodifiero, 1/14/2018 9:42:29 AM     (No. 11509928)

African immigrants are more educated than most — including people born in US.

Really? Please Tell us how many of them work at the Los Angeles Times Ms Simmons.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Pchristopher, 1/14/2018 9:42:53 AM     (No. 11509929)

Define education in this context.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: PageTurner, 1/14/2018 9:44:37 AM     (No. 11509931)

The story is true, but it depends on which African country. Somalia is a hellhole and its migrants show it. But places like Nigeria, Ghana, Congo, Ethiopia and Kenya tend to send their elites, educated in tough ecclesiastical colleges. I´ve seen some of these people, these are the people you want here in the states. The Nigerian immigrants of Long Beach, for example, are tech entrepreneurs, starting new businesses. Their kids have perfect manners and lift the average performance of their schools up. I went to community college with Congolese students, I was intrigued by how mannerly and studious they were. I was fascinated that the Congolese girls wore little white tennis shoes with little white socks, as was once done in America. The African immigrants being admitted usually are an asset. The Somalis are an exception but it´s not fair to lump the whole continent among them.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Scout Finch, 1/14/2018 9:49:45 AM     (No. 11509939)

And they left their home country because...? Perhaps because they are hellholes? Nah.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Jntsrgn, 1/14/2018 9:50:40 AM     (No. 11509941)

Nigerian tech entrepreneurs?! Ha ha ha ha.
Are you engaged to the Nigerian Prince who emailed you to help free up his treasure by wiring him $10k?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 1/14/2018 9:52:24 AM     (No. 11509944)

Well, they certainly know how to run the ´Nigerian Prince´ scam and know how to hijack ships on the high seas, and how to throw people off of tall buildings and how to burn people alive who they think are witches, and they still have the "de-Flower er" who travels from village to village being paid by parents to have "first intercourse" with their female children, and they do an excellent job of spreading AIDS to the rest of the world. And let us not forget about their shining examples of progressive societies, turning wealthy nations into pure "S***Holes, like they did to Rhodesia and Kenya and Rwanda. Yep, African immigrants are more educated than most. Why, they make Switzerland and France with the nuclear reactors and the Cern gigantic cyclotron and their high speed rail system and their massive aircraft industry and space explorations look like absolute Troglodytes by comparison. I expect soon to see African nations establishing colonies on the Moon and on Mars.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: cartcart, 1/14/2018 9:58:19 AM     (No. 11509950)

Where can I get a University of Somalia sweatshirt?


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Reply 12 - Posted by: M2, 1/14/2018 10:01:41 AM     (No. 11509954)

Considering the state of American public education, this might be true.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: rolfnader, 1/14/2018 10:07:48 AM     (No. 11509960)

To paraphrase #10 and Ralph Cramden:

To the MOON Miss Simmons!!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: tnorling, 1/14/2018 10:12:45 AM     (No. 11509971)

I don’t care where immigrants come from legal or otherwise. We don’t need them. If they’re so great why are they not staying in their own countries trying to improve them? Almighty dollar? I don’t care for their priorities.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Ribald1, 1/14/2018 10:16:52 AM     (No. 11509976)

Even if that were true, so what?


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Reply 16 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 1/14/2018 10:17:33 AM     (No. 11509978)

Perhaps, perhaps not.
"Africa" is a big place. What may be true in Sudan and what may be true in Morocco or Egypt or Kenya or Congo may be quite different. Let alone the descendants -- those still living -- of the one-time rulers in South Africa or Zimbabwe/Rhodesia. I´ve encountered some of those "immigrants" from, say, Nigeria. Intelligent, educated, and moral are not the descriptions that immediately come to mind.
And then there is this. I had for several years at least weekly interactions with an immigrant from Egypt. Africa, right? Yeah, he´s educated all right, has an engineering degree (or similar) from some. He´s here having fled Egypt: his father was one of the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood. Yeah, that bunch, the Ikwhan is the transliteration I think. Sadat´s crowd did his father in and he fled. He sent his kids off to the nearest wild-eyed imam in the states for schooling and wife(s)? wear the veil. Think he came here in order to be an assimilated American? Not hardly!
Wife ran into quite a few who came here, with 7 or 8 wives in tow, to teach at some HBCU´s. "Educated"? The extra wives are counted as unmarried, so they get welfare, etc. etc. etc. including housing, so the crowd lives in a mansion paid for by Section 8. By us, in other words.
Why do we keep injecting deadly poisons into the body politic?


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Reply 17 - Posted by: Calico Al, 1/14/2018 10:21:08 AM     (No. 11509984)

Here´s one person who can tell the rest of the story.----Hakeem Olajuwon was born to Salim and Abike Olajuwon, working class Yoruba owners of a cement business in Lagos.[7][8] He was the third of eight children. He credits his parents with instilling virtues of hard work and discipline into him and his siblings; "They taught us to be honest, work hard, respect our elders, and believe in ourselves".[7] Olajuwon has expressed displeasure at his childhood in Nigeria being characterized as backward. "Lagos is a very cosmopolitan city...There are many ethnic groups. I grew up in an environment at schools where there were all different types of people."

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Reply 18 - Posted by: FormerDem, 1/14/2018 10:22:05 AM     (No. 11509985)

I do easily believe this. Africans do everything they can to get educated although it is extremely difficult. And the African immigrant I know best came here, started a home health care business, made it go, raised his children, who did time in the Army. Absolutely exemplary. I heard in Uganda I think it is of a farmer who put twelve children through college, by working in the fields, a rope for a belt. Several went to grad school.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: DCGIRL, 1/14/2018 10:23:46 AM     (No. 11509992)

Google Ann M Simmons, NYT.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: jc96, 1/14/2018 10:30:58 AM     (No. 11510007)

where I live we have a lot of folks from Ghana. I can´t think of any who are not capable of speaking 7 or more languages. When asked why they leave... the overwhelming reply is for better living standard and opportunity.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: kiwinews, 1/14/2018 10:32:41 AM     (No. 11510014)

"More educated than most" Yeah, that´s why the continent is a paradise and the apotheosis of human endeavor. (Somebody believes Prester John, She, and Wakanda are real...) Nobody wants to stop legal immigration of people who will be an asset to our society. So if these imaginary friends of yours should happen to show up at the gates, I say "Welcome!".

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Reply 22 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 1/14/2018 10:38:37 AM     (No. 11510023)

"more educated"?

The Africans who drive taxis in DC??? The Somalis, the women dressed in heebi jeebis, who work in the Minneapolis airport???

Does reporterette Simmons ever get out of the LA Times newsroom?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: valinva, 1/14/2018 10:43:09 AM     (No. 11510031)

The point being missed in all of this is that these educated Africans will be able to immigrate to the US under a merit based system without forcing the US to take the uneducated that are now allowed in because they hit the immigration lottery. The point is that a merit based immigration system with no quotas or restrictions based on the country they are coming from will make all immigrants compete on equal footing bringing only those that are able to contribute to our economy.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/14/2018 10:43:23 AM     (No. 11510032)

To belabor the obvious, “Africa” is a continent. Some countries on that continent are more advanced than others. Some appear to be hopeless.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/14/2018 10:49:35 AM     (No. 11510038)

Those who read beyond the bogus headline will find that this article is primarily about the diversity visa lottery, “the program”:

Of the sub-Saharan immigrants who have become legal permanent residents, 17 percent came through the program, compared with 5 percent of the total U.S. immigrant population, according to Batalova.

Applicants to the program must have completed the equivalent of a U.S. high-school education or have at least two years of recent experience in any number of occupations, including accountant, computer-support specialist, orthodontist or dancer.

Batalova’s research found that of the 1.4 million who are 25 or older, 41 percent have bachelor’s degrees, compared with 30 percent of all immigrants and 32 percent of the U.S.-born population. Of the 19,000 U.S. immigrants from Norway — a country President Donald Trump reportedly told lawmakers is a good source of immigrants — 38 percent have college educations.


They may very well be better-educated than blacks born in the United States.



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Reply 26 - Posted by: heartsurgeon, 1/14/2018 11:03:58 AM     (No. 11510055)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289609000634


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Reply 27 - Posted by: mickturn, 1/14/2018 11:17:17 AM     (No. 11510064)

Democraps are Edumicated way beyond their intelligence. A piece of paper doesn´t make one intelligent, it says they paid for it.

Hopefully the immigrants we get from anywhere are actually intelligent and can get a job and stay off the dole!

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Reply 28 - Posted by: mamafrog, 1/14/2018 11:36:54 AM     (No. 11510073)

I believe most of the Somalis came in because of their aid to the American military.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: greggojo, 1/14/2018 11:48:16 AM     (No. 11510078)

One of the (many) techniques used by the Left, is to form organizations with very impressive names, put out press releases and reports to create or support a Leftist narrative, information which is promptly promoted and publicized by the complaisant American press, and then often the organizations disappear into the night, but their (often) disinformation remains on the record and is quoted indefinitely by the press. When I read this article and read all the official sounding organization names, I thought, how many of these organizations are nothing but fly-by-night Leftist front groups, probably Soros funded? And note how the reports conflate dancers and health workers with the more academically difficult vocations. Also, which colleges granted the referenced degrees? Are they accredited institutions, and if so by which accreditation agencies?

Are there some worthy people from countries around the world? Of course. Is this a well balanced fair article? I sincerely doubt it.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: MissMann, 1/14/2018 12:33:29 PM     (No. 11510103)

Then it is a disservice to encourage them to leave their countries, where their skills and education are so desperately needed.



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Reply 31 - Posted by: bighambone, 1/14/2018 2:07:12 PM     (No. 11510218)

Only some African immigrants are highly educated, and being highly educated in Africa may well not mean the same thing in a quality education as someone highly educated in America or Europe.

There is also another aspect of all this, clearly taking most of the highly educated Africans out of their developing countries and bringing them to the USA or Europe for diversity purposes as immigrants is bound to significantly impede the development of those currently "S**thole" countries.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Jully, 1/14/2018 2:25:06 PM     (No. 11510231)

When I was in college 37 years ago, we had an African student in Organic Chemistry who put the wrong end of a distlillation column in the heat source.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Cor-Vet, 1/14/2018 2:38:31 PM     (No. 11510240)

This must be why African nations have passed up America in industry and standard of living!

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Reply 34 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 1/14/2018 2:47:39 PM     (No. 11510245)

There´s over 1 billion people in Africa. So it´s no surprise that at least a few thousand of those have some decent education.


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Reply 35 - Posted by: zeldafitzg, 1/14/2018 4:38:27 PM     (No. 11510368)

I see absolutely no reason for a visa diversity program. Or any other diversity plan, for that matter.

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Around two dozen Carnival Cruise Line passengers were removed from the Carnival Legend on Friday following a violent brawl that one onlooker described as a “bloodbath.” The Carnival Legend was scheduled to dock in Melbourne on Saturday following a 10-day trip through the South Pacific, but was forced to make an unscheduled stop in Eden, New South Wales, where police unloaded the unruly passengers, 9 News Australia is reporting. Witnesses say the fight broke out very early on Friday morning between a large extended family, guests and staff members, and grew to the point where fellow passengers were “truly scared for [their]

Romney open to new gun measures
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CNN, by Maeve Reston    Original Article
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Mitt Romney said Friday that the nation must act swiftly to address the scourge of gun violence, stating that he was open to tougher measures like "enhanced background checks" if they would help keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. "What happened is unthinkable and unimaginable," he said after offering prayers for the victims of the Florida shooting. "We must take action to prevent tragedies like this from happening again." Speaking at a fundraising dinner held by Utah County Republicans in his first official appearance as a U.S. Senate candidate, Romney said he hoped to see the state generate

Trump Is Making MS-13 Stronger
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New York Times, by Óscar Martínez    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 2/17/2018 3:21:32 PM     Post Reply
San Salvador - Last week, President Trump torpedoed an immigration deal put forward by a bipartisan group of senators. The Senate responded by rejecting his own, harsher plan. By the end of the week, the immigration debate seemed deadlocked between the fate of the Dreamers and the fate of the wall. But one thing is clear: Any plan that purports to make America safer by making it harder for immigrants to obtain legal status and increasing deportations will actually do the opposite. These proposals, embraced by Mr. Trump, are the same decades-old policies that helped transform Mr. Trump’s archenemy, Mara Salvatrucha

When Will We Have the Guts to Link
Fatherlessness to School Shootings?

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PJ Media, by Susan Goldberg    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 2/18/2018 4:40:09 AM     Post Reply
Now that the gun control advocates have had their fifteen minutes of fame, let’s start focusing on the real issues impacting the rise in school shootings since that infamous day in Columbine in 1999. Issue number one that no one in the mainstream media or government wants to acknowledge: fatherlessness. Specifically, the impact of fatherlessness on the boys who grew up to become school shooters. Dr. Warren Farrell, author of the new book The Boy Crisis, explains: Minimal or no father involvement, whether due to divorce, death, or imprisonment, is common to Adam Lanza, Elliott Rodgers, Dylan Roof and Stephen Paddock. In the


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