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Why I Can No Longer Call
Myself an Evangelical Republican

New York Times, by Peter Wehner

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There are times in life when the institutional ground underneath you begins to crumble — and with it, longstanding attachments. Such is the case for me when it comes to the Republican Party and evangelicalism. I’ve been a part of both for my entire adult life. These days, though, in many important ways they are having harmful effects on our society. The latest example is in Alabama, where Roy Moore, the Republican Senate candidate, stands accused of varying degrees of sexual misconduct by nine women, including one who was 14 years old at the time. Mr. Moore leads in most

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Abortion is the "deal breaker" for most evangelicals and conservatives. Jones refuses to say at what point he wouldn´t allow an elective abortion. Moore´s going to win by at least 5 points. But good luck staying in the Senate with a Republican governor waiting to appoint a successor. BTW, I do believe the (then) 14-year-old. The others were of the age of consent, and boorish behaviour isn´t criminal. Child molestation on the other hand...

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: MainelySane, 12/10/2017 8:15:08 AM     (No. 11476335)

Plank eye.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 12/10/2017 8:25:02 AM     (No. 11476343)

Another ´disaffected Republican/conservative/Christian´ article.

It´s hilarious to watch the media clench their fists and hope - again - that one person´s views or experiences should be the brush to paint an entire segment of the population.

It´s also interesting to note that the Times will never run an article titled Why Transgenderism Is Dangerous Pseudoscience or How I Left The Gay Lifestyle.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: M2, 12/10/2017 8:29:02 AM     (No. 11476348)

This is SO wrong: Another pastor who is a lifelong friend told me, “Evangelical is no longer a word we can use.” The reason, he explained, is that it’s become not a religious identification so much as a political one.

He is hanging out in the wrong evangelical circles if he and the people surrounding him have allowed the word "evangelical" to morph into a political heresy of some kind.

It is our cultural rot that has allowed the word "evangelical" to be bastardized. If Pastors won´t own up to the classic use of the word, they have permitted their own congregations to slide down into political swamp, not the evangelicals themselves.

Wehner has permitted himself to raise "the world" (a biblical term for Christians) to enter the Kingdom of God. He has succumbed to the world and now blames politics.

No, Peter. Stay faithful. Or rather, go back to being faithful to The Word and stop playing politics with it.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Redbone, 12/10/2017 8:32:06 AM     (No. 11476351)

I can no longer in good faith call myself a progressive democrat. Liberals have destroyed everything that I value in America, the education system, the media, the justice system. Democrats are trying to destroy our constitutional government and besides , they are so easily duped. No, I can no longer call myself a liberal.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: M2, 12/10/2017 8:32:42 AM     (No. 11476352)

CORRECTION IN #3: "Wehner has permitted himself to raise "the world" (a biblical term for Christians) to enter the Kingdom of God." ....should read "Wehner has permitted himself to use "the world" (a biblical term for Christians) to enter the Kingdom of God.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: zoidberg, 12/10/2017 8:33:25 AM     (No. 11476354)

Let´s stipulate that Roy Moore has lived a life that is free of sexual impropriety. I still wouldn´t vote for him based on his record and statements. But Alabamans know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: califedup, 12/10/2017 8:35:00 AM     (No. 11476355)

Well it seems that the new normal is guilty until proven innocent and in Moore´s case especially if one is a conservative Republican running for a Senate seat.

You think that the effort to destroy Moore based on unproven allegations is nauseating right now, wait until he wins and then the evil, corrupt, and traitorous criminals in the Senate try to expel Moore from the Senate by going into their holier than thou posturing before the cameras.

Schumer, Durbin, Gillebrand, McConnell, and the vast majority of Senators are all Hall of Fame sleeze balls.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: voxpopuli, 12/10/2017 8:38:32 AM     (No. 11476357)

Let´s stipulate that Roy Moore has lived a life that is FULL of sexual impropriety. I still would vote for him based on the record and statements of ALL THIEVING, LYING, BABY KILLING DEMOCRATS who are the alternative. But Alabamans know what they want, and deserve to get the BEST MAN IN THE ELECTION.


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Reply 9 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 12/10/2017 8:53:33 AM     (No. 11476369)

Really? We are supposed to actually believe the NY Times has had a true evangelical Christian Republican on staff all this time and just now, over Roy Moore´s impending Alabama election to the Senate, that guy- the Evangelical Christian conservative Republican champ, is tossing in the towel on his ever so solid life model. I totally call Bull Scatology on this whole screed! Ain´t no GD way, pal!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Krause, 12/10/2017 8:55:37 AM     (No. 11476371)

I guess every politician who has ever done any type of illegality or sexual wrongdoing, no matter how long ago, should step down, immediately.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: clayusmcret, 12/10/2017 9:07:52 AM     (No. 11476385)

Democrats and democrat establishments, e.g., Washington Post and NY Times, fire arrows into the air and republicans dutifully grab them out of the air and begin stabbing each other with them. I´ve never seen such a bunch of circular-suicidal beings in my life.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: cartcart, 12/10/2017 9:22:13 AM     (No. 11476397)

Preachy. His problem is that he thinks Bush was conservative. He was merely a Republican. I can no longer read the NYT.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: hpmatt, 12/10/2017 9:27:24 AM     (No. 11476405)

Wehner is the guy that loved 43s ‘evangelism’ and hates Trumps. I am sure this DC/NY guy goes to a pentecostal church on the Upper West Side.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: darling, 12/10/2017 9:29:43 AM     (No. 11476408)

If this era of extrajudicial indictments/convictions continues unabated, and the innocent must prove they are not guilty, I may be forced to say, "I can no longer call myself an American."

Lives should not be ruined because of flimsy or nonexistent evidence. The #MeToo twitter movement is an appropriate moniker. I am guessing that for every legitimate sexual harassment victim there are five who say "Me too!" to get attention and a possible payout.



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Reply 15 - Posted by: LoneVoice, 12/10/2017 9:32:04 AM     (No. 11476410)

Why I Can No Longer Pretend To Be A Conservative Or A Christian.

There, fixed the headline for you.

Answer: because I was and always have been a leftist and an atheist. I just wanted to tell the truth for a change.

There, now you don´t have to click on a New York Times fairy tail.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Paglia guy, 12/10/2017 9:32:12 AM     (No. 11476411)

More Wehner whining.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: jackburton, 12/10/2017 9:32:38 AM     (No. 11476412)

One of the things all Christians, especially Evangelicals, believe is that we have forgiveness in Jesus.

Now, there are charlatans who will claim that they should be forgiven their sins because they´ve renounced them and done penance but haven´t. But after a suitable period of good living, one can easily see if someone is sincere and should be considered completely reformed.

Isn´t 34 years enough?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: yuban, 12/10/2017 9:34:11 AM     (No. 11476415)

Why I Can No Longer Call Myself an Evangelical Republican...... because I am an Evangelical Conservative.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 12/10/2017 9:44:52 AM     (No. 11476425)

Wehner destroyed his credibility when he wrote that there were credible accusations of sexual preying made against Trump. Wrong! None of the charges stuck because they weren´t credible. They were cynical October surprise fabrications designed to derail a political candidate, but they had too many holes in them and didn´t hold water (and don´t get me going on the Access Hollywood tape - I could write an entire article dissecting that and detailing how it´s been totally distorted). But Never-Trumper Wehner chooses to believe them because of its confirmation bias. Not very Christian, if you ask me.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: TennDon, 12/10/2017 9:47:33 AM     (No. 11476430)

To paraphrase an old Capris song....There are trolls out tonight...

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Reply 21 - Posted by: valinva, 12/10/2017 10:37:44 AM     (No. 11476475)

He claims that we want the Mueller investigation to be ended because we are afraid of what it may turn up. No, we want it to end because it is a partisan witch hunt intended to overturn the results of a legitimate election that you and the other Never-Trumpers abhor.
I ask you Mr Wehner, did you disregard the mountain of evidence that Hillary Clinton is a lying self-serving person and vote for her? I wager the answer is yes.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Pat26.2, 12/10/2017 10:38:27 AM     (No. 11476477)

Another whining wiener. We prefer winning.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: msjena, 12/10/2017 10:39:51 AM     (No. 11476479)

Only 2 women, not 9,have accused Moore of sexual misconduct. One is an admitted liar. The other hasn´t spoken publicly and we are being ask to just believe her, even though her account is about something that allegedly happened 40 years ago and has never before been told. Due process requires an accused to confront his accuser, with cross-examination. I´m sorry this author can´t stomach this. Does he prefer the party of late-term abortions, atheism and Bill Clinton? Politics sometimes requires choosing the lesser of two evils. For me, the Democrat party is always more evil.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: rolfnader, 12/10/2017 11:01:14 AM     (No. 11476502)

Richard´s nickname ,squared.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: stablemoney, 12/10/2017 11:02:08 AM     (No. 11476503)

Its the NYTs, and I do not believe this writer is a Republican. He says he cannot support Moore, but I bet he can support Democrats, and votes that way.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: MainelySane, 12/10/2017 11:14:11 AM     (No. 11476520)

Will he call himself an Evangelical Christian? Will he call himself a Republican? Does the he think or did he think that an Evangelical Republican would spread the good news about Republicans? I´m not certain what he thinks an Evangelical Republican is. It makes me think that he´s never really been a Republican or that he´s never been an Evangelical. There are many .. probably the majority of ´em .. Christians who don´t practice Evangelism.

He´s just trying to show some disaffection with Trump in a damaging way, but he really shows ignorance.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: beth, 12/10/2017 11:16:55 AM     (No. 11476524)

This man is bearing false witness when he says there were 9 when there were only two and their claims are questionable. Is he really a Christian or just claiming to be? I think he´s throwing stones and should heed the words of Jesus regarding such behavior.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: strike3, 12/10/2017 11:35:25 AM     (No. 11476538)

I have more trouble with the word "Republican" than I do with "Evangelical." The alternative, however, is unthinkable.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Kdog, 12/10/2017 11:38:42 AM     (No. 11476541)

I am good. I am also good with Republicans who will FINALLY defend themselves instead of letting Democrats and the media present their own caricatures of how they want things portrayed, thank you Donald J Trump.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: lavalette, 12/10/2017 12:00:50 PM     (No. 11476565)

Get off your fainting couch sissy. Don´t you know there´s a war on?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: dvc, 12/10/2017 12:49:18 PM     (No. 11476641)

NeverTrumpers.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: franq, 12/10/2017 1:06:22 PM     (No. 11476661)

I am utterly amazed at the amount of hysteria and sanctimony some unproven allegations will cause.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: pessimist, 12/10/2017 1:57:59 PM     (No. 11476702)

At the risk of testing the border of propriety, might I suggest that Pete Wehner can do something else to himself too.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: TnEm, 12/10/2017 2:46:06 PM     (No. 11476745)

Exactly, #30.


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Reply 35 - Posted by: Chief1942, 12/10/2017 5:07:43 PM     (No. 11476815)

"...credibly accused of being sexual predators." Are you so brain dead that you cannot grasp the concept of "accused". We do NOT do harm to someone simply based upon accusations without solid facts and evidence. There are untold numbers of guilty people running around this country simply because we have chosen NOT to punish people without due process. "Let hi who is without sin, cast the first stone" there Mr.Wehner. I think the appropriate verse for you is ""Depart from us as you were never one of us".

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Reply 36 - Posted by: bohallx, 12/10/2017 5:11:48 PM     (No. 11476818)

Peter Wehner wants so bad to believe there was a 14 year old girl, who was so troublesome for her mother that she got child custody transferred to the father, who wanted to lie there in a bad in a cabin in the woods with some guy she met at the courthouse and just touch..... otherwise fully clothed.

And with less than two weeks ..... to get prepared and move and show up with daddy somewhere else.

You just know Wehner would not have let her stop at touching his undies........ and he really does have that on his mind.

She didn´t even have a telephone in her bedroom where she could be called privately, night and day.........

I think the ol´gal has had 3 divorces since then, several bouts of treatment for alcoholism and drug withdrawal, and perhaps she doesn´t even really remember being 14, or 17, or even 35.

A guy with the drawing power young Roy Moore had where he had dozens of mothers pushing their older daughters to "Date this one ~ he´s got a good job" not sure why he´d be messing with what seemed to have been a confused 14 year old.

But, Peter Wehner has his dreams doesn´t he.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Yorkiemom, 12/10/2017 6:02:20 PM     (No. 11476863)

Religion and sexual accusations aside , one quote I read from Trump bothers me. He reportedly said" if he was really serious about running for president he would run as a Republican because they are stupid and fall for anything.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Muguy, 12/10/2017 8:03:05 PM     (No. 11476950)

For some reason, the word "Evangelical" has been given an improper tone. It simply means that one believes in the Gospel that Jesus and his disciples wrote about in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Certainly nothing wrong with that.

The ´republican´ part has been hard to define as the basis for republicanism has been morphed into acceptance of big government, big spending, big debt, allowing non-citizens to wreck the economic system preying upon ´cheap labor´ to enrich the fatcats and country clubbers.

Just another "hit piece" on the social conservatives that make up a very large part of the party, many have been lied to once people get elected and re-elected and the lure of corrupt money calls.

Everyone will have to decide for themselves, but a good start would be to life a "purpose driven life" and lift everyone one up in dignity.

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Obama’s current office, which is run by former de facto President Valerie Jarrett, is just a mile or so from the White House. It is at that location one sees a daily procession of donors, political operatives, party affiliates (BOTH Democrat and Republican) media friends (of which there are many) and more shadowy figures representing a myriad of foreign interests. And each day this office and its two primary inhabitants – Obama and Jarrett, are asked the same question: WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT TRUMP? Obama being Obama, with his solar-system-sized ego intact, has been promising to do

Watch: CNN’s Sanjay Gupta Diagnoses
Donald Trump With Heart Disease

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Breitbart Video, by Jeff Poor    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 1/17/2018 10:10:42 AM     Post Reply
Wednesday on CNN’s “New Day,” Dr. Sanjay Gupta, the network’s chief medical correspondent, proclaimed that based on President Donald Trump’s coronary calcium scores going back to the previous decade, Trump has heart disease. Gupta’s diagnosis came a day after Trump’s doctor, Navy Rear Adm. Dr. Ronny Jackson, offered his assessment of Trump’s health at a White House press briefing. “When you look at the findings you just put up there, Alisyn — this coronary calcium score is a score a lot of cardiologists use to try and be predictive and be proactive,” Gupta said. “And if the number gets up

Sanjay Gupta: By all standards,
Trump has heart disease

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The Hill [Washington, DC], by Rebecca Savransky    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 1/17/2018 9:01:31 AM     Post Reply
CNN´s chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta said Wednesday that he believes tests reveal that President Trump has heart disease. Gupta said dating back to 2009, President Trump started to have "these tests that are actually looking for the presence of calcium in the blood vessels that lead to the heart." "Steadily, up until just this past week when he had it performed again, those numbers have gone up," he said. "When they get to a certain range ... that means he has heart disease." Gupta then talked about his interaction Tuesday with President Trump´s doctor, Navy Rear Adm. Dr.

Mr. President, stop attacking the press
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Washington Post, by John McCain    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 1/18/2018 7:35:35 PM     Post Reply
After leaving office, President Ronald Reagan created the Ronald Reagan Freedom Award to recognize individuals who have fought to spread liberty worldwide. Nancy Reagan continued the tradition after her husband’s death, and in 2008 she bestowed the honor on human rights icon Natan Sharansky, who credited Reagan’s strong defense of freedom for his own survival in Soviet gulags. Reagan recognized that as leader of the free world, his words carried enormous weight, and he used it to inspire the unprecedented spread of democracy around the world. President Donald Trump does not seem to understand that his rhetoric and actions reverberate in

Microwaves are as damaging to
the environment as cars

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The Sun, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: mc squared- 1/18/2018 9:25:20 AM     Post Reply
Microwaves are as damaging to the environment as cars and users must be taught how to cook more efficiently, scientists say. The ovens are responsible for 7.7 million tons of the ­carbon dioxide pumped out from the EU each year — the equivalent of 6.8 million cars. Researchers say they are fueling global warming with consumers overcooking food to blame. Microwaves account for the largest percentage of sales of all types of oven in the EU, with numbers set to reach 135 million by 2020. But scientists at the University of Manchester — the first to assess the environmental impact

GOP mega-donors
backing Mitt Romney
for Senate amid possible
move up the leadership ranks

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Fox Business, by Brian Schwartz    Original Article
Posted By: tisHimself- 1/18/2018 8:06:06 AM     Post Reply
In an exclusive interview with Utah Gov. Gary Herbert, FOX Business was told that Romney, the 2012 Republican presidential nominee, will likely receive the backing of mega-donors, not just within Utah, but across the country as he gets ready to announce his candidacy. “He’s given me every indication that he’s running. He’ll have a lot of support from the wealthy people that he knows from when he ran for president. The people on the same list of donors that he had before for 2012, including those from Utah, is a very good place for him to raise money,” Herbert, a

McCain rips Trump for attacks on press
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The Hill [Washington, DC], by Brett Samuels    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 1/17/2018 6:26:00 PM     Post Reply
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on Tuesday condemned President Trump’s combative attitude toward the press and called on Congress to protect journalists worldwide. “Whether Trump knows it or not, these efforts are being closely watched by foreign leaders who are already using his words as cover as they silence and shutter one of the key pillars of democracy,” McCain said in an opinion piece published in The Washington Post. McCain called the Trump administration’s treatment of journalists “inconsistent at best and hypocritical at worst,” particularly when it comes to condemning attacks on the press abroad. McCain cited foreign leaders who have


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