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Let´s Have a Real Debate on Guns
Weekly Standard, by Editors

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 10/7/2017 4:50:13 AM

“Over the years,” wrote the editors of the New York Times, “the gun lobby, claiming to defend the convenience of hunters and other gun owners, has so bullied Washington that . . . sensible proposals seem beyond reach. But as gun mayhem continues to mount, the political roadblock looks less and less rational, more and more deadly.” These words appeared in 1993. The fact that they could have appeared in the Times at any time in the last 30 years—indeed they sound a lot like the editorial that ran in the paper in the aftermath of the October 1 Las Vegas massacre—gives

If the gun control advocates can explain why gun control hasn´t worked in cities such as St. Louis and Chicago, then they might have a little more credibility.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: greatGreyhounds, 10/7/2017 6:06:21 AM     (No. 11408585)

Why stop at the Second Amendment? What about the First, the Fourth, or any of the others...

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Uno_Thatguy, 10/7/2017 6:48:18 AM     (No. 11408603)

Let´s stop the failed "war on drugs" and put a bounty on dealers both legal and illegal.

Then let´s stop the national "dump" of prescription psych drugs that fill the coffers of billion dollar companies that redirect added billions to the coffers of those who "represent US" in DC.

EVERY mass shooter has been found to be loaded to the gills with psych drugs either legally prescribed or illegal.

Where´s the "Praaaaublum" It is ALWAYS instantly directed at an inanimate culprit that ALWAYS has an animate perp at the trigger.

So if we must find an "inanimate" object to blame, let´s find one that comes in tiny packages....., drugs.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Uno_Thatguy, 10/7/2017 6:58:59 AM     (No. 11408611)

PS: Gun control has NOTHING to do with controlling crime. It´s totally a plan to control US, the citizens.

Not one country that has fallen to despotism fell until its citizens were denied the ability to defend themselves from their "leaders." Hundreds of millions of men, women and children have died when gun control became effective in countries such as the Soviet Union, China, Uganda, Cambodia, Turkey, Germany. Everyone and many more had government controlled mass killings of several hundred million of their own people exterminated when guns were taken from their citizens who could no longer defend themselves.

Put the blame where it belongs!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Knotwyrkin, 10/7/2017 7:10:09 AM     (No. 11408620)

The liberal supremacists hate the Normals. The do want to eliminate the Normals´ 1st and 4th amendment rights, but to do that they will need to eliminate the Normals´ 2nd amendment rights first.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 10/7/2017 7:19:41 AM     (No. 11408625)

Beware the "National" concealed carry scam.
They promise a permit in 30 minutes then take your 65 bucks (online) and give you a long application form and other paperwork to send to West Virginia to begin a lengthy process you could have done on your own. I fell for the ad right here on Lucianne but I understand that staff has no control over what adds pop up.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: F15 Gork, 10/7/2017 7:41:03 AM     (No. 11408638)

An NRA gun safety course in every elementary school would do far more than passing more laws for the law abiding would ever do. Of course, bringing back the pledge of allegiance and morning prayer in school would help also. Liberalism produces wacka-doodle-doos like Las Vegas. Once they get past the concept of right and wrong - anything bad is possible.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: rolfnader, 10/7/2017 8:19:33 AM     (No. 11408677)

No thanks, I´ll stick to Kurt Schlichter´s conversation from yesterday.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: ArthurDent, 10/7/2017 9:09:16 AM     (No. 11408718)

Because, #1, after the 2nd, all those others will be much easier to remove.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Hotrod, 10/7/2017 9:36:24 AM     (No. 11408739)

The story starts with a fake narrative. The ´´gun lobby´´ isn´t defending anyone´s convenience. It is defending the Constitution. The anti-gun crowd does not respect the Constitution, for more reasons than the Second Amendment.

There can´t be a debate when the basis for it is a fake premise. Besides, what´s to debate? The Second Amendment has been around for a long, long time. If we were not meant to have guns, the issue would have been resolved long before any of us was born!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: strike3, 10/7/2017 10:35:19 AM     (No. 11408809)

Why don´t we just surrender the control of America to the royals in Britain and start paying a tax on tea?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: techwreck, 10/7/2017 11:03:34 AM     (No. 11408839)

Let´s have real debates on law enforcement and mental health, and not waste our time discussing the Second Amendment!

Guns don´t kill people, people kill people! People are killed because of lax law enforcement in large cities, like Chicago, Detroit, and Los Angeles, run by Democrats who don´t enforce gun laws!

People are also killed in all cities because there are no national standards for mental health and the treatment of mentally ill patients!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: JonR, 10/7/2017 11:26:12 AM     (No. 11408863)

Keep one concept in mind! Sencible gun control really means gun confiscation! This is the ultimate objective of the liberal Democrats.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 10/7/2017 1:06:01 PM     (No. 11408951)

Let´s have a real debate on self-control.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: bighambone, 10/7/2017 1:18:55 PM     (No. 11408965)

To the Democrats “common sense gun safety” regulation is Democrat political code for banning all semiautomatic firearms. Since just about all personal defense related modern firearms are semi-automatics, such a Democrat gun control scheme would eliminate most modern firearms that law abiding citizens now use for defensive purposes. No doubt criminals and terrorists who do not obey laws would still have whatever class of firearms they wished to use.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: SALady, 10/7/2017 5:10:52 PM     (No. 11409150)

There is no "debating" our black and white Constitutional rights!!!!! It is all spelled out there very clearly in the 2nd Amendment!!!

This isn´t something like abortion, that is not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution and is clearly some bizarre interpretation of the Constitution. This is there in black and white.

Now, we can debate why LIE-berals are so gung ho about taking guns away from law abiding citizens. But the right to those guns is not up for debate!!!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: dvc, 10/7/2017 9:54:43 PM     (No. 11409335)

Nope, not interested. I like the article, mostly, but not interested in anything that the gun haters have to say.

I have heard it all since I was a teen and wrote my first letter to the editor of the newspaper to tell them how messed up they were.

It has gotten worse since then, they are really crazy.

More Guns = Less Crime; just that simple.

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