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The ´Dreamers´ Can
Stay but Never Vote

PJ Media, by Roger L. Simon

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Posted By:Hazymac, 9/17/2017 2:08:07 PM

People who claim to be shocked that Donald Trump is prepared to make an amnesty deal for the"Dreamers" -- most of whom are Mexicans who entered the USA at around the age of six -- are being more than a tad disingenuous. The president has been hinting as much for over a year to anyone paying attention. In fact, it´s hard to conceive how he could have done otherwise, considering the (excuse the cliché) "optics" of shipping 800,000 young people back to a homeland they may never have seen. The question is what your definition of amnesty is. It´s a

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: trackman999, 9/17/2017 2:13:22 PM     (No. 11386255)

" Never vote"? Don´t be so naive.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: earlybird, 9/17/2017 2:17:37 PM     (No. 11386257)

I agree with #1. Nice in theory, but in practice? Ha!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: IowaDad, 9/17/2017 2:17:55 PM     (No. 11386258)

Children of illegal immigrants must be deported with their parents in accordance with the law. If we don´t like this law, we can elect representatives to change the law. Until we do so, pontificating garbage opinions about so-called "dreamers" is just an emission of intellectual flatulence.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: JediJerry, 9/17/2017 2:23:52 PM     (No. 11386260)

They all vote thanks to DMV (Dept of Mexican Voters) motor voter laws that lets them register Democrat when the apply for their DL. So what if they lie and check the box that says they are a US citizen. They do it all the time and I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: anotherctyankee, 9/17/2017 2:25:54 PM     (No. 11386264)

I would only agree to let them stay, never to become citizens and never vote, if congress rescinds the SC law of birthright citizenship.
Oh, and never bring extended family into the country.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Safari Man, 9/17/2017 2:28:04 PM     (No. 11386267)

I could accept a deal which allows Dreamers to stay, but only if Dimocrats are never allowed to vote again.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: anotherctyankee, 9/17/2017 2:29:46 PM     (No. 11386270)

Just add #6 response to my list. It would all need to happen.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: provide, 9/17/2017 2:32:06 PM     (No. 11386272)

And prevented from sponsoring relatives to chain immigrate.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: excalgalcg, 9/17/2017 2:36:25 PM     (No. 11386279)

Isn´t this the result of Obama´s flood of "unaccompanied"minors who poured across the border without parents?? So now those children´s families have come in and want the handouts. No amnesty, no chain immigration, nothing. They are illegal!!!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: SALady, 9/17/2017 2:54:52 PM     (No. 11386290)

I have no problem with them voting under one circumstance: That they serve honorably in a branch of the US military for a minimum of 8 years. Then they automatically get citizenship and with it voting rights. They earned it.

Otherwise, they are "guests" in this country, and must obey the law -- which includes NOT voting!!!

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Reply 11 - Posted by: dvc, 9/17/2017 3:03:39 PM     (No. 11386298)

NO!

They are thieves, they are illegal aliens, they need to go back to their own countries.

No compromise.

Illegal is illegal. Deport all of them, give their jobs back to Americans.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 9/17/2017 3:12:04 PM     (No. 11386303)

Simon should know better. If the Dreamers are allowed stay in the U.S. they will eventually obtain the franchise. The courts will see to it.

But that´s OK with me, as long as the bad actors among them are weeded out, jailed and/or deported. The legislation Congress has been asked to put together and pass will be somewhat complicated and subject to court challenge.

A lot of people will be dissatisfied with the final resolution of this thorny issue. You can shout "No Amnesty!" until you´re blue in the face, but there is a roiling stew of factors at work and others due to come into play.

I do believe this, though: with DT as president the final result will be the best obtainable.


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Reply 13 - Posted by: sorosisbehindit, 9/17/2017 3:24:58 PM     (No. 11386309)

Are you kidding me?! They probably already have the signs in production: "Taxation without representation"

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Words have Meaning, 9/17/2017 3:28:07 PM     (No. 11386310)

"Dreamers can never vote"...good luck with that idea.

The whole reason for allowing illegals into this country was so they can vote. If they can not vote (and vote democrat)...why let them in at all?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Cat Ballou, 9/17/2017 3:33:53 PM     (No. 11386315)

Why should they get to jump the line, when people all over the world have jumped thru the hoops, waited years and paid the expenses to become a citizen? The blame is on their parents, not the system. Check the laws of any other nation in the world and see what their laws are concerning illegal immigrants.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: blizzard, 9/17/2017 3:38:30 PM     (No. 11386318)

Just go home, stay home, and make your own country a better place to live and leave ours alone.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: greggojo, 9/17/2017 4:13:45 PM     (No. 11386334)

Democrats move in one direction, that of increasing the leaders´ political power. No matter what terms the R´s were to agree to, the moment the D´s regained power, anything costing the Democrat Party votes would be promptly swept away. Recall Reagan who foolishly trusted the D´s about the "last amnesty" with the D´s pledge to build the wall. Reagan gave way on the amnesty, and the Dems promptly cancelled funding for the wall. Smart people cannot trust Dems. Anyone who trusts Dems knows nothing. The Dems are not only dishonest, they are treacherous.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: littleorby, 9/17/2017 4:32:05 PM     (No. 11386347)

I still maintain that congress MUST change existing laws if the Dreamers are to stay, and President Trump is giving them six months to do that. I don´t think they have the nerve to do it. It would be political suicide to pass laws to open our borders; therefore, existing laws will be followed, in my opinion.



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Reply 19 - Posted by: JansGraphix, 9/17/2017 4:53:10 PM     (No. 11386364)

"The ´Dreamers´ Can Stay but Never Vote"

Ahh... You might wanna catch up on things in the Washington ComPost there Roger ...

"The Washington suburb of College Park, Md., on Tuesday became the largest U.S. city to allow noncitizens to cast ballots in municipal elections after a divided City Council vote that reflected the nation’s heated and emotional debate over illegal immigration ..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/college-park-decides-to-allow-noncitizens-to-vote-in-local-elections/2017/09/13/2b7adb4a-987b-11e7-87fc-c3f7ee4035c9_story.html?utm_term=.1d809f3e43d1

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Reply 20 - Posted by: ginadee, 9/17/2017 5:00:11 PM     (No. 11386365)

Let the dreamers stay and send the parents back. No voting rights, no welfare, no chain immigration, no amnesty. They must carry ID with them at all times and show it whenever asked for. Since they will become a ´special´ class of people, they must report to a yet to be established agency. Their children will not become citizens when born. They will just ´dream on.´
Now what I have layed out would discourage me from coming here, which is the point.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: JansGraphix, 9/17/2017 5:03:04 PM     (No. 11386368)

So get ready folks. Millions of ´dreamers´ are going to be allowed to vote. These millions of democrat voters will cancel out our votes guaranteed. This is the unintended consequence of taking pity on illegal aliens. Pretty soon there will be no pretense of having 2 partys. There will only be one. And I´m not referring to the uniparty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/college-park-decides-to-allow-noncitizens-to-vote-in-local-elections/2017/09/13/2b7adb4a-987b-11e7-87fc-c3f7ee4035c9_story.html?utm_term=.1d809f3e43d1

This will ultimately be the cost of codifying DACA.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 9/17/2017 5:04:14 PM     (No. 11386369)

First of all, a LAW must be passed; no Executive only action. The dems MUST put their money where their mouths are.

I could see some type of process for people already here but until border security is beefed up, NO conclusion to the process. They MUST follow the process to citizenship; classes, etc. Maybe even some additional requirements and a wait time. If the wall isn´t done, NO citizenship. No citizenship, NO voting. Serious criminal illegals need not apply.

People illegally crossing the border now or later are NOT eligible.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: bighambone, 9/17/2017 5:23:16 PM     (No. 11386384)

Agree, amnesty recipients should only be granted a conditional/temporary immigration status valid indefinitely as long as the recipient obeys all US laws. That conditional/temporary status should allow them to live and work in the USA and to travel internationally. They should not be able to bring foreign relatives into the USA, or serve as an anchor relative for their family members to be granted amnesty. There should be no possible progression to permanent resident alien (green card) immigration status or US citizenship unless the recipient applies for and is granted a permanent resident immigration status under the regular immigration laws as all legal immigrants are required to do.

The vote hungry liberal Democrats will not like that, but that should be the extent of President Trump´s concession to the DACA illegal aliens. It is their illegal alien parents fault that they were brought into the USA unlawfully and that´s where the blame lies, not with the immigration laws or the President.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: calamity kate, 9/17/2017 5:50:03 PM     (No. 11386400)

I´ve been saying this for years. Permanent residency -- NEVER citizenship unless they get in line (go back and return).

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Reply 25 - Posted by: geoman, 9/17/2017 6:55:21 PM     (No. 11386439)

I strongly suspect a sizable percentage of "dreamers" have already voted. What´s just as bad is that among the real political movers and shakers within the GOP, none of them give a rat´s patootie what anyone on a largely conservative news site thinks. We are precisely the Americans that the global communists and their uniparty beards wish to silence and disenfranchise. We are essentially expressing mostly similar opinions to one another. The legislative and executive branch pols would come closer to listening to the BLM rioters in St. Louis, antifa, or the Mexican Mafia housed in our respective state prisons. They gladly suck up our money and our votes but are closer ideologically to the NYT and WaPo.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: franq, 9/17/2017 7:06:12 PM     (No. 11386453)

Righto!

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Reply 27 - Posted by: leonardo, 9/17/2017 10:38:24 PM     (No. 11386593)

"The ´Dreamers´ Can Stay but Never Vote" ... until they CAN.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: JimBob, 9/17/2017 11:31:27 PM     (No. 11386612)

IF the so-called ´Dreamers´ (notice how the left gives their pets ´nice´ sounding names?
-Illegal Aliens become ´Dreamers´
-Homosexuals become ´Gay´.)

If the Illegal Immigrants (II´s) are allowed to stay, they will be allowed to vote as soon as a ´Rat President is in office and issues an executive order ordering the end of any enforcement of Voter ID laws, OR works with a leftist ´Rat-appointed federal judge to rule that ALL voter ID laws are ´unconstitutional´..... and the legal fight gets strung out for years, meantime with the II´s voting 90-100% ´Rat, over whelming the American citizens and installing ´Rat politicians, who will appoint ´Rat judges, and the feedback cycle continues.

It´s as plain as the nose on your face.
We saw this happen with the Federal government forcing homosexual marriage on all the states, regardless of what the Citizens of the various states voted for.
We live in perilous times.



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Reply 29 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 9/18/2017 12:23:26 AM     (No. 11386636)

No, don´t blame US, it is because of their parents (and Obola) that they are here. Go back and apply like other immigrants.

Sick of illegals screaming about "their rights" and an ungrateful attitude.

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Emotional John McCain slams ´half-baked,
spurious nationalism´ sweeping America in
speech aimed at Trump as Joe Biden
presents him with lifetime of service award

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Daily Mail [UK] & Associated Press, by Regina F. Graham    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 10/17/2017 8:36:22 AM     Post Reply
Sen. John McCain warned against the US turning toward ´half-baked, spurious nationalism´ and jabbed at unnamed pushers of isolationist politics while at an event honoring the war hero´s contributions. (Snip) ´To abandon the ideals we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations of international leadership for the sake of some half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems, is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that Americans consigned to the ash heap of history,´ he said. He added: ´We live in a land made of

Report: Kaepernick files grievance
against NFL owners for collusion

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MSN Sports, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog- 10/15/2017 5:15:35 PM     Post Reply
Colin Kaepernick has filed a grievance under the collective bargaining agreement for collusion against NFL team owners, reports Mike Freeman of Bleacher Report. Kaepernick has hired high-profile attorney Mark Geragos and is preparing to release a statement about his grievance soon, added Freeman. The free-agent quarterback has remained unemployed since his release by the San Francisco 49ers in March and has garnered little interest from teams around the league. This has caused some to suggest he´s being blackballed for his national anthem protests during the 2016 season. Kaepernick appeared in 12 games for 49ers in 2016, throwing for 2,241 yards with

We won’t give back a cent of Harvey Weinstein’s
tainted $250,000 says the Clinton Foundation -
we’ve spent accused rapist’s every cent claims
group run by Bill and Chelsea

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Daily Mail, by Alana Goodman    Original Article
Posted By: Lucky5- 10/15/2017 8:21:54 PM     Post Reply
The Clinton Foundation told DailyMail.com it will not return as much as $250,000 in donations from Harvey Weinstein, saying on Sunday the money had already been spent on the organization’s programs and used for charitable purposes. The foundation’s decision comes as politicians and philanthropic groups grapple with whether to return donations they have received from Weinstein, after numerous women stepped forward this month to accuse the movie mogul of sexual assault, harassment and rape. Over a dozen Democratic politicians have said they will give back or donate Weinstein’s campaign contributions to charity. The Clinton Foundation faced questions about Weinstein’s funding after Hillary Clinton

Durbin: If Democrats ‘Overdo It’ by Being
too Liberal, We Can Lose to Trump

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Washington Free Beacon, by Andrew Kugle    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 10/16/2017 1:22:37 PM     Post Reply
Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) said in a radio interview on Sunday that Democrats can lose to President Donald Trump in 2020 if they "overdo it" by becoming too liberal. Durbin was asked on a local Chicago radio program about comments from Rep. Cheri Bustos (D., Ill.), who warned fellow Democrats that Trump would be reelected if the party becomes too liberal. CNN reporter Andrew Kaczynski was first to report on Durbin´s comments. (Audio) "We need to be balanced," Durbin said on "Connected to Chicago" on WLS-AM. "She´s right about that. And as downstater like her, I understand


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