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Booze, bribes and propaganda:
The company that promises
´safe´ travel in North Korea

Consumer Affairs, by Amy Martyn

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Posted By:earlybird, 6/19/2017 6:31:04 PM

Even a superficial look at Young Pioneer Tours, the people who brought American college student Otto Warmbier to North Korea, raises serious questions about the practices of the company that advertises "budget travel to destinations your mother would rather you stayed away from." Warmbier was detained while trying to leave North Korea at the end of his trip with Young Pioneer Tours and imprisoned last year. The regime returned Warmbier to his parents last week with severe brain damage. On the Young Pioneer Tours website, only a few of the many seemingly innocuous activities that the United States Department of State warns


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Reply 1 - Posted by: earlybird, 6/19/2017 6:36:45 PM     (No. 11291634)

OP comment: This will make you sick. These are young college age kids. And nowadays they are still kids.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: dvc, 6/19/2017 6:38:13 PM     (No. 11291636)

As sad as this all is, and as angry as those nasty little pukes working for the Fat Kid make me, some of this is on the fools who go to this man-made hell on earth.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: lakerman1, 6/19/2017 6:51:25 PM     (No. 11291664)

What were Wambier´s parents thinking? I´m sure they financed the trip.
They put their son in more danger than that of a Penn State fraternity pledge.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: K620, 6/19/2017 7:22:59 PM     (No. 11291700)

Love ya, #3, but your comment is really, really inappropriate.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: JHHolliday, 6/19/2017 7:31:17 PM     (No. 11291713)

Traveling to ****holes like NK so you can return and brag to your friends is all well and good but you do need to come home alive.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: FunOne, 6/19/2017 7:41:25 PM     (No. 11291731)

I would imagine that many of our fellow Americans would send their kid to North Korea. Probably identified by a "Coexist" bumper sticker on their vehicle.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 6/19/2017 7:54:13 PM     (No. 11291747)

Doesn´t sound like a trustworthy organization. NK probably lets them in to squeeze some money out of gullible tourists.
As for why they would go to NK to start with, it´s probably to get some kind of thrill, thinking nothing will happen to them. Note that one student was saying how nice the people were - apparently overlooking that everything is stage managed for visitors by the evil regime.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Vaquero45, 6/19/2017 10:01:49 PM     (No. 11291896)

It takes a special kind of moron to want to go to North Korea. It´s too bad about Otto Warmbier - but what the hell was he doing there?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: luandir, 6/19/2017 10:35:59 PM     (No. 11291934)

If you travel to North Korea, you are an idiot.

That´s probably being unkind to idiots.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: MDConservative, 6/19/2017 11:50:23 PM     (No. 11291989)

You pays yer money and you takes yer chances.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Postaway, 6/20/2017 7:41:53 AM     (No. 11292137)

Some of you sound like people of common sense but also rather arctic. It sounds like this young man went to China and found out about Young Pioneers Tours while there. His parents weren´t there. He probably didn´t know travel to NK was even possible and the YPT website is deceitfully upbeat. They make it sound like travel to North Korea is no more dangerous than a ski trip using youth hostel-type accommodations and blithely promise to smooth out any problems should they occur. Like many before him in life, Otto Warmbier learned a hard lesson the hard way and his story remains as a cautionary tale for others. For his parents this is a time for grieving. They must shoulder whatever blame they feel themselves. This is a time for compassion because any one who has been a parent can remember times that their children did stupid things due to a callow sense of trust.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: earlybird, 6/20/2017 7:46:06 AM     (No. 11292142)

Re #11, yes.

Thank you for your compassionate, reasoned post. I do not understand the derision I am seeing here.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Stryker714, 6/20/2017 8:17:59 AM     (No. 11292180)

The tour guide company sounds completely irresponsible and this is no way to be in a hard-line communist nation. The sentence for Warmbier was nothing short of ridiculous. Seventeen years?! Get real.

There were a couple of US Army defectors in North Korea. One was assigned duty of permanent henchman to beat up the other defectors, on demand, if the North Koreans called for it. So the question is what did they do to Warmbier? ´ suspect he rebelled re the hard labor and either they gave him poison, radioactive material or just beat him to one level below dead, aka coma. This is unacceptable to have an American citizen returned to us in this condition. Perhaps we should have travel bans to North Korea. It´s kind of surprising it isn´t already banned. Stop playing with that regime! No one should go there, it´s just not worth the risks. They take themselves wayyy too seriously. Read up on all the things they´ve done since the Korean war, before committing to a trip there-you just might be surprised. This encompasses kidnappings, assassinations, killing American servicemen here and there, killing South Koreans here and there and we always let them get away with it. After reviewing how evil they are, one may reconsider going there.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Felixcat, 6/20/2017 8:31:09 AM     (No. 11292203)

With all the information available via the Internet and even places like CC, any self aware college kid should have had a clue about NK. Heck, CNN even had a special some time ago on NK showing starving kids picking up grains of rice in a field and being ignored by the adults. And quite frankly, I find it rather insulting to the people of NK, other than those sanctioned by the regime, who have to tolerate these spoiled kids from the West out of desperation in trying to survive. It ´s the same reason I don´t like zoos.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Felixcat, 6/20/2017 8:31:56 AM     (No. 11292205)

CC should be CNN.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 6/20/2017 8:36:20 AM     (No. 11292212)

The question no one is asking is why the current generation has no knowledge of North Korea and its history. they aren´t being taught. They aren´t being taught about the Soviet Union, communism, and the atrocities of communist regimes of the 20th century.

Otto Warmbier is not to blame here. We can sit and judge him about the foolish decision he made, but obviously, he did not know it was a foolish venture. Who is to blame here? Perhaps the parents, in part, but certainly there is even more blame to place on the fact that our children are not being taught the truth in public schools.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 6/20/2017 8:58:16 AM     (No. 11292245)

Being a ´kid´ is no excuse for flirting with dangers in the world. It´s not a video game in your parent´s basement.
Thinking that you will don a Hemmingway hat, a walking stick, backpack and hiking boots and visit a dangerous place like NK is totally irresponsible. I never understood people going to war torn countries or communist controlled places and think it´s a thrill.
Join the Army or Marines let them supply you with the correct paraphernalia and you can visit all you want and maybe return home safely.
I feel sorry for the family but someone sure isn´t showing any intelligence about the world´s dangers.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: earlybird, 6/20/2017 10:20:55 AM     (No. 11292351)

He paid a big price. So did his parents. Perhaps we could let them all rest in peace? Or is it more important to be right?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: caddyjak, 6/20/2017 1:44:10 PM     (No. 11292587)

Two places more dangerous than N. Korea:
Wilmington & Pacoima (L.A.) California. Just saying>>

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Reply 20 - Posted by: coldoc, 6/20/2017 1:48:09 PM     (No. 11292591)

These travel agents remind me of real estate agents in mexico preying on naive gringo tourists.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: coldoc, 6/20/2017 1:50:03 PM     (No. 11292595)

These ypt agents remind me of real estate brokers in mexico preying on naive gringo tourists.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 6/20/2017 2:43:32 PM     (No. 11292674)

North Korea is a giant prison/slave state. 99.9% of the population has no real rights. That includes visitors. A true socialist utopia. It is a dangerous place to visit. Anybody thinking of visiting NK needs to realize that.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: cheeflo, 6/20/2017 5:07:43 PM     (No. 11292839)

That occurred to me, #16. How is it that a 22-year-old college student is so clueless about a known quantity? Because he is fed a line by the media, academia, and liberal progressives that trivializes and mischaracterizes totalitarianism. The USA is the worst bad actor on the planet, don ha know?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Stegosaurus, 6/20/2017 6:05:26 PM     (No. 11292911)

There´s no way I´d ever want to visit North Korea, but should you be that crazy, MIR Corporation does offer escorted tours. I´ve used them for trips to Russia/Mongolia and they are top-notch. MIR also does trips to Iran and I´d never go there either, but it takes all kinds to make a world and why shouldn´t the fools have their travel desires catered to.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: subal, 6/20/2017 7:50:29 PM     (No. 11293000)

Issue a "Darwin Award" for cleaning out the Snow Flake gene pool!

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