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Isil: the world must tackle
this mass psychosis

Telegraph [UK], by Janet Daley

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 8/23/2014 1:58:24 PM

We are not engaged in a religious war. This is not a confrontation between Islam and the West. To start from that premise is to place Isil (which should not be called by its presumptive title “Islamic State”) on precisely the ground it wishes to occupy. [Snip] The contest is not modern liberal democracy versus the Dark Ages. This is to impose meaning on what is, in truth, meaningless. There is nothing coherent or comprehensible at the heart of the homicidal Isil frenzy. It is just what it looks like: psychopathic nihilism. Indeed, it may be worse than counterproductive to

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As is often the case, there are so many meaty points in Janet Daley´s article, it´s very difficult to choose a snip. Finally, the simple declaration that ISIL (as Ms. Daley insists it be called) "is just what it looks like: psychopathic nihilism" stands out and should entice the reader into uncovering other choice morsels, ungarnished by unnecessary bits and pieces.

I do so admire Ms. Daley´s skill in peeling off and throwing away the unnecessary bits.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Spidey, 8/23/2014 2:42:56 PM     (No. 9977948)

There´s lots of countries that would be willing totake on the scrouge of ISIS and realtaed affilaites. The problem is the leadership on such action would have to come from the UD and that ain´t happening with Obama, Foriegn leaders don´t trust him and further than they can throw a frozen elephant.

NATO countries are put off by the lousy rules of engagement in Afghanistan struck out by Obama since taking office.

Smaller countries downsized their military to save money and figured the US and Europe would deal with renegade radicals as they pop up.The last thing they thought of is Obama being allies with the worst people on the planet.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Policom, 8/23/2014 3:23:13 PM     (No. 9977970)

Sorry but this is a Religious War. They have told the World many times that they want everyone to convert to Islam. Kill the Infidels, isn´t that what they say? We want a Ciliphate and Shiria law. Two of the most oppressive things you can do. They give no freedom to Women and use threir own people as shields and their children as suicide bombers. It´s time to give their leaders what they want.....Death.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: 2dogs, 8/23/2014 3:26:55 PM     (No. 9977974)

UK Telegrapg is behind a paywall once you read 8 articles a month. Can´t get around it...if you can, post a free link thanks


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Reply 4 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 8/23/2014 3:34:09 PM     (No. 9977981)

Don´t expect Europe to stand up and tackle ISIS. They always have their heads in the sand. Russia and China could care less and the rest of the world is sucking their thumbs waiting for the U.S. to make a move. Once we do, we´ll be criticized for meddling, as always.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/23/2014 3:44:04 PM     (No. 9977989)

This makes more sense than anything I´ve read so far. Once again Daley works through her analysis and gives us something worth pondering.

I´d like to see this be a Must Read. I´m sending it to my personal list as one...

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Emerson, 8/23/2014 3:45:24 PM     (No. 9977991)

Re #3, try deleting your cookies and your cache.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/23/2014 4:02:53 PM     (No. 9978010)

Just woke up and realized this IS a Must Read! I picked it off the LCom page....

Do read it. No room here for driveby thinking.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: planetgeo, 8/23/2014 4:10:22 PM     (No. 9978020)

This is the first time I can recall totally disagreeing with Janet Daley (and with our esteemed OP, who keeps us informed with choice UK articles daily). It´s a huge mistake to attribute the fanaticism of ISIL/ISIS to the amorphous term "psychopathic nihilism"...as if, what, a couple million guys read Nietzsche and decide, "oh heck, since there´s no God, I think I´ll join all those guys that are beheading people"?

No, their psychopathy has a common root source...Islam. In fact, their actions are literally prescribed for them in their not-so-holy book.

Sorry, Janet. Re-title your piece as "ISIL: the world must tackle this death cult masquerading as a religion" and I´m with you again.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 8/23/2014 4:34:03 PM     (No. 9978033)

Sorry, forgot about the "8 strikes and yer out thing."

What you might try is this:

go to Google news and search on "Janet Daley" or "the world must tackle this mass psychosis" and the resulting link might get you through.

Could you access through a smart phone? It really is worth it.

As for whether Islam in this case is a religion or not, I´d have to say it´s a bit like the Westboro Baptist Church on steroids and acid.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: NotaBene, 8/23/2014 5:11:40 PM     (No. 9978048)

To combat psychopathic Nihilism I suggest blowing up every single bridge over the Euphrates in Syria.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Toledo, 8/23/2014 5:20:54 PM     (No. 9978055)

Try changing browser. Chrome won´t allow telegraph but IE and Opera will

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Reply 12 - Posted by: dman, 8/23/2014 5:38:11 PM     (No. 9978062)

I disagree with Daley on a few points.

First, I agree with #8 et al that this is a war with Islam itself. The Quar´an says what it says, and we must deal with it as such.

Second, we should recognize ISIS as the "Islamic State" - and formally declare war against it. Terms: unconditional surrender. They should be fought like the Nazis of WWII.

In addition, since ISIS has recruited many from "most favored" nations, the US should suspend its Visa Waiver Program until things are safe again. Anyone from anywhere who has traveled to countries harboring Islamic training camps should be thoroughly scrutinized before being admitted into the US. That would even include US passport holders who have traveled to the suspect areas. We need a political quarantine of the ISIS cancer, much like the medical quarantine of the Ebola virus.

And, of course: get serous about sealing our borders and ports of entry - all of them.

Above would only be a few first steps.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: JediJerry, 8/23/2014 5:51:59 PM     (No. 9978068)

When will the world tackle the Obama mass psychosis? He is way more dangerous than the Islamic JV Boy Scouts.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: terry_tr6, 8/23/2014 6:09:08 PM     (No. 9978078)

right, they need saving by us, right until they no longer need saving, then we can go to heII

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Reply 15 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 8/23/2014 6:14:07 PM     (No. 9978083)

The problem is the world usually needs the US to lead the way in tackling such malignancy. However, Obama is obsessed with ´not being Bush´, so he is largely content to see a ISIS sprout, blossom, and spread its seeds to and fro. I don´t think ISIS will be stopped until their behavior somehow discomforts the Ivory Tower elitists.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: synchronicity, 8/23/2014 6:21:43 PM     (No. 9978092)

To the modern world this does look like psychopathic nihilism but this same world view classifies all religions as forms of mass psychosis. Perhaps we would be closer to the mark as to what is transpiring and how to thwart it by viewing it through the eyes of our enemies.

1. In the Koran, Allah´s perfect word, Islam should have been running the world by now.
2. Since Allah didn´t make #1 happen the followers of Islam have to make it happen through jihad - all out war.
3. If #2 fails, Allah is a fraud as are all followers of Islam.

This is an existential battle where one side has nothing to lose but their lives. It is not irrational but it is highly barbaric because compassion toward the enemy (us) isn´t tolerated. It can only end in one of two ways - enough of Islam´s followers die (probably millions) to beat back the latest wave of Islamic aggression or the world gives in to their demands to be their slaves. Islam only recognizes black and white so this long prophesied battle between darkness and light will proceed regardless of our personal wishes.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: 901AtTheRiver, 8/23/2014 6:23:26 PM     (No. 9978093)

FTA: "This may come as a shock to a White House that seems to have so much faith in the magical power of language, but if military intervention is categorically ruled out, then no amount of smart talk will be any use."

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Reply 18 - Posted by: privateer, 8/23/2014 7:19:39 PM     (No. 9978129)

I suppose she values her head more than the truth, but the very first sentence is a huge, steaming lie. This is exactly a religious war. It will continue until one or the other religion is eliminated, or beaten into submission. Hint: ixlom means "submission".

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Italiano, 8/23/2014 8:04:34 PM     (No. 9978169)

Denying that it is a"religious" war is a guarantee that we will lose it. Take a look around the world. It didn´t start with ISIS, nor will it end there.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: 4justice, 8/24/2014 12:44:27 AM     (No. 9978379)

No question...this IS a religious war. That is what makes these people so dangerous.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Judy W., 8/24/2014 7:47:01 AM     (No. 9978516)

I think it´s both a religious war and a mass psychosis. There are two similar phenomena in history. One is Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. The origin of their psychosis was their Communist ideology, but the killing frenzy they set loose was beyond what any other Communist group or state ever committed. It took on a life of its own as it ignited the murderous rage that tragically can be set off even in people you´d think highly unlikely.

The other one is the Chinese cultural revolution, which I can´t describe in this space. It was so terrible that full discussion of it is still limited in China.

I don´t think America could have done anything about China, but I believe we could have stopped the Khmer Rouge if Nixon hadn´t been in the midst of Watergate with the left determined to let Communism work its will.

Let´s hope somebody can find a way to work around Obama and gear up an effective response this time.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: mazeman, 8/24/2014 7:51:23 AM     (No. 9978522)

She was too quick to give the majority of moderate Muslims a pass. If ISIL is to be defeated by being ostracized, embarrassed and discredited, who better to do that than members of your own "faith"?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: gone2pot, 8/24/2014 8:32:28 AM     (No. 9978580)

What follows from this is that every withdrawal from confrontation, every backward step – such as Barack Obama’s retreat from his “red line” in Syria – is catastrophic.

Does this chick even know what she´s saying? The red line was about Assad. THEN Obama, McQueeg and Grahamnesty along with Effin Kerry became the source of ISIS´ Soviet weapons, their training and they are responsible for ISIS´ strength. Foley´s family can thank Obama for their son´s beheading because he shares the responsibility for ISIS´ strength. Janet, like most journalists is utterly clueless. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over.

François Hollande is (unusually) right to say that, if one year ago we had reacted to the use of chemical weapons in Syria “we wouldn’t have had this terrible choice between a dictator and a terrorist group”. But we are where we are. The consequences of last year’s cowardice must be a lesson learnt.

Damn that Putin for stepping in and fixing that one, making the west´s leaders look like the fools they are. The good news though is that even a communist cheese eatin´ surrender monkey leader can have a Kurtz-like firm-grasp-of-the-obvious.

Janet´s utter cluelessness began with her premise that we´re not at war with Islam. She went downhill from there.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: congar, 8/24/2014 8:46:39 AM     (No. 9978604)

"We are not engaged in a religious war.”

Really? I would bet ISIS members have a decisively different idea along with the rest of the world.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: coldoc, 8/24/2014 9:01:38 AM     (No. 9978623)

Great article based on an incorrect premise. "not a religious war"? Are you kidding me?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: fayebeck, 8/24/2014 10:06:19 AM     (No. 9978722)

I have heard many conservatives say that Islam is a criminal enterprise masking itself with "religion". Now how can this be a religious war if such thinking is true?

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Reply 27 - Posted by: harleynyc, 8/24/2014 10:17:13 AM     (No. 9978735)

The world can only be saved if we eradicate Islam.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: M2, 8/24/2014 10:56:12 AM     (No. 9978799)

Excellent analysis and a whole new way of looking at the problem. Recommend for holdover to tomorrow as a MUST READ.

There is nothing coherent or comprehensible at the heart of the homicidal Isil frenzy. It is just what it looks like: psychopathic nihilism.

Under the diversionary kefiyyeh, we´re seeing less their religion than their tyranny, not for the sake of religion as they would like us to believe, but for the sake of the willingness -- even the desire -- to kill other human beings in a mad rush of power lust.

In fact, the gratuitous violence and promiscuous mayhem of its onslaught resembles nothing so much as 19th-century European anarchism, whose objective was simply to create the maximum amount of indiscriminate chaos with the vague intention of undermining the existing order.

This is what is going on in America: the calmer postmodern version of anarchy, straight from the pages of Alinsky and Ayers, heroes of the far Left.

Here in America, we now have "indiscriminate chaos with the vague intention of undermining the existing order" : For example, we have economic chaos of almost half our population on entitlement programs, and we have the chaos of tens of millions of people no longer in the work force. We have the chaos of a non-existent foreign policy which itself is causing chaos in Israel, Libya, Iraq and elsewhere.

continued...

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Reply 29 - Posted by: M2, 8/24/2014 10:56:30 AM     (No. 9978800)

...continued



So we can view America as living under the tyrannical chaos of a government that aligns against its own people.

The world has dealt with mass psychosis before – or rather, failed to deal with it. It would be unforgiveable to make the same fatal mistake again...

Historically, such things always happened "over there". We are in danger of it sweeping our own shores now if nothing is done while doing something is still possible.

I fear that under this POTUS, it isn´t possible unless he is deposed or unless clearer heads prevail.

...like Mohamed Ahmed and Yusuf Sarwar, who ordered Islam for Dummies and The Koran for Dummies from Amazon before they departed for their terrorist sojourn in Syria.

Very telling: Islam wasn´t the driving force, as so many of us believe.

Any possibility of eliminating it as a threat will have to treat it as a delusion which must be undermined, not a lucid plan that can be defeated by diplomatic strategy.

Outstanding observation of "mass psychosis". Yet what are the odds that this Administration will treat it as anything other than a diplomatic challenge?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: bluefindad, 8/24/2014 11:02:39 AM     (No. 9978811)

Agree with other posters.

The assertion that this is "not a religious war" is yet another delusional deflection. Janet´s claim could be supported if the Koran did not contain verses commanding the faithful to dominate by the sword and kill the infidels. As long as the Koran is not revised (unlikely, as the Prophet is just a little bit dead), there will always be justification in Islam for violence and atrocities.



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Reply 31 - Posted by: Butch59, 8/24/2014 11:18:59 AM     (No. 9978831)

Whether this is a religious war or not is a mote point. Personally, I believe that it´s a war by some that simply want to wield power over every one masked by the "religion" of Islam. But, to put it in plain words, the only way that it´s going to be defeated is by all out war by the free nations of the world. And don´t count on Russia or China because that´s the source of weapons and ammunition for ISIL.(call it what you want). So, that really leaves the US as the only nation that has the ability to do and lead such a plan. Just like WWII. And with Obozo as CIC, don´t hold you breath. Remember, he´s one of them.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: JimboUSN, 8/24/2014 12:01:02 PM     (No. 9978883)

“THEY (ISIS) HAVE AN APOCALYPTIC, END OF DAYS STRATEGIC VISION…” Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, 22 Aug 2014. NOT RELIGIOUS? Hmmm.

Will Dempsey be taken to the woodshed by Obama for speaking the TRUTH???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5kZ06m7zAM


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Reply 33 - Posted by: Mobyclik, 8/24/2014 12:39:04 PM     (No. 9978945)

We can´t even gather up some allies and go destroy those heathens because al-obama alienated our former allies. Not to mention, so many European countries have allowed millions of these savages into their countries, if they WERE to join us, their own cities would be blown up by their own so-called citizens.

Europe is between the proverbial rock and a hard place. Besides, we have a muzzie at our own helm.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Aria, 8/24/2014 3:27:48 PM     (No. 9979113)

A lot of religions are more about power than anything we Christians consider religious. Jesus was different in that he taught love and standards to live by i a decent society. Even this has been mis-used by power mongers over various centuries.

One thing I find interesting about Islam is the leaders tell their pawns "you go out and be a martyr and get your 72 virgins while I stay her in the safe-house." For them death is supposed to be a privilege for the pawns, a punishment for the infidels and exempt for the leaders. When are the pawns going to finally say "I´ll blow myself up right after you go get your 72 virgins".
No wonder their society is so backwards, they´re idiots.


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First Lady Michelle Obama proudly defended her husband’s record at a Washington, D.C. fundraiser, reminding the attendants how far the country had come since the Obamas entered the White House. “Just think about how different our country looks to children growing up today,” she said. “Think about how our kids take for granted that a black person or a woman can be President of the United States.” She also praised President Obama for changing history on gay marriage and the Supreme Court. “They take it for granted that for the first time in history, there are three brilliant women serving

After Declaring War on Tea Party,
Karl Rove Frets GOP Estab Candidates
Not Getting Enough Donations

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Breitbart Big Government, by Tony Lee    Original Article
Posted By: SpeedMaster- 9/20/2014 10:02:02 AM     Post Reply
After declaring war on the Tea Party and often showing nothing but contempt for grassroots conservatives that powered Republicans to record gains in the 2010 midterm elections, Karl Rove whined that the GOP may not take back the Senate this year because of the lack of enthusiasm for his establishment-approved candidates. Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Rove notes that even though Obama´s "job approval numbers are lousy, no Democrat in a competitive Senate race polls regularly above 50%, GOP enthusiasm is high, and independents are trending Republican... each passing day provides evidence as to why a GOP Senate majority is

ISIS fighters terrified of being
killed by female troops

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New York Post, by Geoff Earle    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 9/20/2014 5:10:13 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Kurdish fighters battling ISIS desperately want more guns and armor, but they already have a secret weapon: The fanatics they’re fighting fear that if they get killed in combat by a woman, they won’t go to heaven. “They have many female battalions, as you know who fought very bravely,” Rep. Ed Royce (R-Calif.), who chairs the House International Relations Committee, told The Post of the Kurds. Royce, who met this week with the foreign minister of Kurdistan, cited recent reports of young female Kurdish troops “laughing” at ISIS forces they had turned back. “These ISIL soldiers apparently believed that if

How gender mattered in the rise and
fall of Debbie Wasserman Schultz

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Washington Post, by Nia-Malika Henderson    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 9/19/2014 5:06:33 AM     Post Reply
Devastating. That´s really the only way to describe Politico´s piece on DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz. (I hereby nominate her for Worst Week in Washington.) (Editor´s note: Three words -- Joseph. Robinette. Biden.) Based on interviews with DNC staffers -- both former and current -- the piece described Wasserman Schultz as something of a modern-day Tracy Flick: over-eager, disloyal and not shy about promoting her ambitions. It would be fair to say that she sounds like, well, a lot like other politicians. And this would be accurate. But the wholesale bashing of Wasserman Schultz at every level of the party -- White House,

Rift widens between Obama,
U.S. military over strategy
to fight Islamic State

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Washington Post, by Craig Whitlock    Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought- 9/18/2014 10:18:03 PM     Post Reply
Flashes of disagreement over how to fight the Islamic State are mounting between President Obama and U.S. military leaders, the latest sign of strain in what often has been an awkward and uneasy relationship. Even as the administration has received congressional backing for its strategy, with the Senate voting Thursday to approve a plan to arm and train Syrian rebels, a series of military leaders have criticized the president’s approach against the Islamic State militant group. Retired Marine Gen. James Mattis, who served under Obama until last year, became the latest high-profile skeptic on Thursday, telling the House Intelligence Committee

Retired Head Of Marine Corps: Obama’s
ISIS Strategy Doesn’t Have ‘A Snowball’s
Chance In Hell Of Succeeding’

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Daily Caller, by Jamie Weinstein    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 9/20/2014 5:31:37 AM     Post Reply
The man who was the top Marine general from 2006 until his retirement in 2010 says President Barack Obama’s strategy to defeat the terrorist group the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria is doomed to fail. “I don’t think the president’s plan has a snowball’s chance in hell of succeeding,” retired Marine General James Conway, who served as the 34th Commandant of the Marine Corps during the end of the Bush administration and the beginning of the Obama administration, said at the Maverick PAC Conference in Washington, D.C. Friday, according to a source in attendance. Maverick PAC has described itself

Rare respiratory virus spreads to 22 states
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Washington Post, by Mark Berman    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 9/19/2014 6:10:55 PM     Post Reply
That rare respiratory illness sickening children around the country continues to crop up in new places. It has been confirmed in 22 states, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday, appearing in three states where it had not been previously: Georgia, Michigan and Washington state. These children are facing an uncommon enterovirus strain. While enteroviruses in general are quite common, this particular strain — enterovirus 68 — has not cropped up terribly often since it was first identified in 1962. It can cause severe breathing problems, a particular danger for children who may suffer from asthma or other

Budget Chief: Denying Climate Change
‘Makes You a Member of the Flat
Earth Society’

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Cybercast News Service, by Penny Starr    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 9/20/2014 12:06:12 PM     Post Reply
Shawn Donovan, director of the Office of Management and Budget, said on Friday that if you don’t believe in climate change and support federal spending to fight it, you believe the earth is flat. “The failure to invest in climate solutions and climate preparedness doesn’t get you membership in a fiscal conservatives caucus,” Donovan said at the Center for American Progress in Washington, D.C. “It makes you a member of the Flat Earth Society.” Donovan, who formerly ran the Department of Housing and Urban Development under President Barack Obama, is now in charge of the arm of the executive branch

Obama Says Senate Vote To Arm
Syrian Rebels Was US Politics
´At Its Best´

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Business Insider, by Hunter Walker    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 9/19/2014 5:13:01 AM     Post Reply
The U.S Senate passed a bill Thursday evening that will give President Barack Obama the authority to arm moderate Syrian rebels, which is a key part of his plan to fight the jihadist group Islamic State (also known as ISIS and ISIL). Shortly after the Senate passed the bill, which was passed by the House on Wednesday, Obama spoke from the White House. "I´m pleased that Congress, a majority of Democrats and a majority of Republicans in both the House and Senate, have now voted to support a key element of our strategy," Obama said. Obama, who reiterated the fact

Security breached:
Intruder gets into White House

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Associated Press, by Josh Lederman    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 9/20/2014 7:41:42 AM     Post Reply
Washington - The Secret Service is coming under intense scrutiny after a man who hopped the White House fence made it all the way through the front door before being apprehended. President Barack Obama and his daughters had just departed the White House on Friday evening when an intruder scaled the north fence, darted across the lawn and into the presidential residence, where agents nabbed him. The security breach triggered a rare evacuation of much of the White House, with Secret Service officers drawing their guns as they rushed staffers and journalists out a side door.

John Kerry: US At War With
The ´Enemy of Islam´

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Breitbart Big Peace, by Jordan Schachtel    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 9/19/2014 3:17:20 PM     Post Reply
On Thursday In a session with the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Secretary of State John Kerry was asked by Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) whether America was at war in Iraq and Syria. (Video) Kerry responded: “If you’re more comfortable calling it a war against this enemy of Islam then please do so. We’re happy to call it that.” So its official: America is at war with the enemy of Islam. However, strange bedfellows arise if the Obama administration so chooses to uphold Kerry’s claim that we are at war with the enemy(s) of Islam. The following displays that Secretary

Au revoir, ISIS fighters: French
jets kill dozens of jihadists,
destroy munitions facility

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New York Daily News, by Corky Siemaszko    Original Article
Posted By: earlybird- 9/19/2014 11:59:30 PM     Post Reply
The French did for President Obama on Friday what they refused to do for his predecessor — they joined the fight in Iraq. Two Rafale fighter planes armed with laser-guided bombs “entirely destroyed” an Islamic State munitions depot and killed dozens of ISIS fighters, making France the first coalition country to make good on its promise to battle the murderous militants. “Other operations will follow in the coming days with the same goal — to weaken this terrorist organization and come to the aid of the Iraqi authorities,” French President Francois Hollande vowed. The French famously said “non” in 2003 when President Bush


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