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Family rescued at sea says satellite cell phone
service provider left them in a life-or-death crisis

KGTV [San Diego, CA], by Allison Ash

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Posted By:StormCnter, 7/11/2014 11:35:38 AM

SAN DIEGO - The family that drew national attention when they were rescued at sea off their sailboat, Rebel Heart, in April is finally setting the record straight. Charlotte and Eric Kaufman and their two daughters were about 1,000 miles west of Cabo San Lucas in the Sea of Cortez when 1-year old Lyra became sick. That was when their adventure of a lifetime turned into a nightmare. It began with a fever, then a rash and then Lyra became lethargic. That was when the couple used their satellite cell phone to call a doctor. He advised them to begin treating Lyra

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Stupid people getting into a terrible situation, lots of money spent to rescue them, and they want to sue their phone company. I´ll bet I know for whom they voted in 2008.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 7/11/2014 11:42:57 AM     (No. 9919805)

FTA: "Our home [a sailboat] is gone, and I have friends who are sailing oceans right now, who are on their sailboats, out adventuring and I don´t ever want this to happen to anyone else," said Charlotte Kaufman.

No, I´m sorry. I cannot possibly muster any sympathy here. From my experiences, I can tell you that the sea is an unforgiving entity, and they took their chances. What if their navigation system had broken down? What then? Sue Motorola? Stuff happens. But this woman´s attitude about not being able to keep up with their friends who are adventure sailing.... please! She just negated any sympathy factor the husband might have gained.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Shells, 7/11/2014 11:43:10 AM     (No. 9919806)

Why did they sink the boat? And how does the cell phone company have anything to do with this?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: earlybird, 7/11/2014 11:47:22 AM     (No. 9919816)

The Coast Guard is not charging them for its rescue services. (We paid for those.) But they are still suing their cell phone company.

Good luck with this. I don´t know of a cell phone company anywhere that promises service anywhere in the world without interruption.

Foolish people put their own babies at risk and then try to lay it off on someone else - and pick up some money to buy themselves a replacement for the damaged boat they voluntarily scuttled.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: earlybird, 7/11/2014 11:48:34 AM     (No. 9919820)

PS. A relative has already said that the baby had salmonella before they left on their "adventure". Was supposedly "cured". Yeah, right...

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Otheym, 7/11/2014 11:48:36 AM     (No. 9919822)

ask your own children what they remember of their own lives at ages 1 and 3. These are a couple of airheads and this adventure was now well thought out.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: killerbee, 7/11/2014 11:58:45 AM     (No. 9919841)

#2: that´s what I´m wondering. Poor reporting as usual. How did the sick kid lead to them having to sink their boat? Seems like two separate issues here.

Regardless, it looks like they failed on their big adventure so now they want some moola. Impressive.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: dman, 7/11/2014 11:59:56 AM     (No. 9919847)

An HF radio, whether amateur or marine, is a necessary backup for such an adventure.

Only morons would depend solely on a satellite cell phone for communications 1000 miles out to sea. At least their boat had the emergency beacon.

Let that be a lesson for the rest of us: do not depend solely on a cell phone in case of disaster or emergency. There are numerous reasons why that service may not be available when you need it. Suitable backup is required.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: StormCnter, 7/11/2014 12:01:30 PM     (No. 9919851)

Listen, there are cell service failures in many parts of this country, never mind on the ocean. On our old southwest Texas ranch, the only spot to get a signal is on the top of one particular mountain next to one certain rock and even then, only if the gods are with you. It never occurred to us to sue somebody.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 7/11/2014 12:01:47 PM     (No. 9919852)

Adventures are inherently risky. Just because you´re a trust-funder who knows how to sail doesn´t remove personal responsibility for making dubious decisions. Technology can fail, and often at a critical time. Instead of being appreciative of all that was done on their behalf, they immediately run to a lawyer. I agree with the OP, they´re Obama voters.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: varkdriver, 7/11/2014 12:06:29 PM     (No. 9919857)

I´ve done plenty of sailing on the Chesapeake and have trouble getting cell phone service! 1000 miles out to sea is even tougher; a lot of things go wrong on the boat and you have to try and fix them, or jury-rig some way around it. There must be some more info as to why they felt it necessary to scuttle the boat.

Perhaps they took the kids on other long voyages without incident, but I strongly agree with #7. An HF radio is a essential piece of equipment in addition to other comm gear. Backups and redundancy are crucial.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: GoodGrief, 7/11/2014 12:17:04 PM     (No. 9919869)

#2, The Kaufman´s were obliged by law and custom to scuttle their sailboat, their home, to prevent it becoming "an abandoned hulk," a hazard to navigation to other vessels.

As we pursue our lives and liberties we are daily exposed to dangers, many life threatening. Just think about the many highly trained pilots in the military that remain in their services in preference to accepting an airline job that would pay much more and greatly reduce the risks to their lives. We all make choices.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: DaddyO, 7/11/2014 12:19:08 PM     (No. 9919871)

From what I understand, the satellite cell phone provider disconnected them for a billing issue, which may or may not have been in error.

And I believe they sank the boat when they were rescued to keep it from being a hazard to others, although I would think Eric should have been able to sail the boat back to safety by himself. Maybe he was being a good parent and staying with the sick child.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: biggun, 7/11/2014 12:20:04 PM     (No. 9919873)

I´m no sailor, but "1000 miles west of Cabo San Lucas" is the Pacific Ocean, NOT the Sea of Cortez.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: maryann4629, 7/11/2014 12:23:07 PM     (No. 9919876)

Not a cell phone. It was a satellite phone, and service was cancelled due to billing issues.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: oceanbeach, 7/11/2014 12:25:31 PM     (No. 9919880)



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Reply 16 - Posted by: oceanbeach, 7/11/2014 12:28:09 PM     (No. 9919882)

I´ve followed their blog for a couple years. I figured out a long time ago that she is a whiny and weak woman who blames other people for her problems and weaknesses. I think he is OK, but he does have to live with her.

They also could have prepared better. A crossing from Cabo San Lucas to Tahiti is NOT a good first adventure at sea with babies.

I think there is nothing inherently wrong with taking a family on such an adventure, but you need the right people and the right preparation.


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Reply 17 - Posted by: Daylily, 7/11/2014 12:42:42 PM     (No. 9919898)

Sailing off with children aboard, in my opinion, is not as risky as driving on a busy interstate or freeway with children in the car. However, the idea of depending on a satellite cell phone as your only means of communication seems very foolish. Can´t believe they didn´t take time to earn Ham radio licenses and equip their boat with Ham and single-sideband radios. And regarding the sinking of their boat- if no one was staying aboard that was the correct thing to do. On a very dark night I wouldn´t want to collide with an abandoned boat.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 7/11/2014 12:43:13 PM     (No. 9919899)

I have sailed in past lives (not recently) and a sailboat is no place for a whiny woman who thinks she knows everything.

She should have had some basic emergency medical training before she left and should NEVER have left with a one-year-old who was just "recovered" from salmonella.

There are so many more things wrong with this family´s adventure.

The one thing that can be said about the ocean is that it is unpredictable. Any woman who says she was "prepared for everything" is a fool. And in this case she was grossly inaccurate.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 7/11/2014 12:49:29 PM     (No. 9919907)

The utility company will shut off your water/gas/electric if you fail to pay your bill too. The satellite service provider probably had no idea where they were at. There is also a means of making emergency calls out for safety purposes, which this ill prepared person had no idea how to do.
Besides all of the above, just because it´s a communication satellite, it doesn´t guarantee the network is available 24/7/365! Always, always have a back-up communication source. He should have had certainly had a satellite based Emergency Locator Transmitter to activate so they could be found by the Navy/Coast Guard.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 7/11/2014 12:52:52 PM     (No. 9919909)

Cell phone and sinking the craft?? If all else fails, read the article!

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Reply 21 - Posted by: StuartL, 7/11/2014 1:03:00 PM     (No. 9919924)

#13 -- I do sail, and you´re absolutely right. If you´re west of Cabo -- especially by a thousand miles -- you ain´t in the Sea of Cortez or anywhere near it. You´re somewhere due south of the Gulf of Alaska.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Smart11344, 7/11/2014 1:12:30 PM     (No. 9919935)

I don´t sail. I do have a cell phone. I also realize my cell phone is not nearly as reliable as my land line telephone. As a senior citizen I keep my land line phone as insurance that if I need to make an emergency call, I know it will work!

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Reply 23 - Posted by: lancer12, 7/11/2014 1:17:08 PM     (No. 9919939)

We need $ for a new boat. Who has $? Boohoo. I sue you.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: msjena, 7/11/2014 1:35:49 PM     (No. 9919954)

What did people do before mobile phones? The real problem, it seems to me, is that their boat wasn´t seaworthy, which is what left them stranded. Otherwise, they could have sailed back to get to a hospital. I´m sure the phone company has a limitation of liability provision in its rate plan.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: agrunt, 7/11/2014 2:29:18 PM     (No. 9920022)

It would seem from what I have read above that less than half of those responding have read the article. Of that half how many understand what they read? Not a whole lot.
1 The boat was sunk under Maritime law; couldn’t leave it out there as a hazard to navigation.
2The phone is a sat phone not a cell phone. It doesn’t hunt for a cell. It goes straight to a satellite. Not at all like your cell phone in your pocket.
3Most of the folks that sail with their children long distances (and there are tens of thousands of them) are pretty self reliant. They home school their kids and if you mess with their kids or sailing you are going to think messing with a “Pittsburg Stealers fan” is like messing with a power puff.
4 I have lived in Florida for the last 25 years and know a number of these folks. In a fight I would feel safe (with most) of them at my back.


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Reply 26 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 7/11/2014 4:27:57 PM     (No. 9920230)

I was with #25 until he got to #3.

"Most of the folks that sail with their children long distances (and there are tens of thousands of them) are pretty self reliant."

The ones I´ve known who sailed with their children did not start when they had a three-year-old and a one-year-old. They waited until later, took a year, schooled the children with materials from (I believe) Minnesota, and their only mishap was her getting an infected toe (on land) that later had to be amputated because the infection went to the bone.

No one we ever knew during our long years at a major California yacht club would EVER have taken off with babies the age of these two kids. And never with a child who was known to have just had salmonella or any other disease.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 7/11/2014 4:29:11 PM     (No. 9920233)

(cont´d)
Based upon the wife´s own statements, they really weren´t able to be that self-reliant.

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Posted By: Attercliffe- 9/28/2014 10:38:21 PM     Post Reply
The Secret Service was unaware for four days that a man had fired a high-powered rifle at the White House in 2011 in a ´fumbled´ response that left the Obamas furious, says a new report. Officers allegedly performed a string of security lapses after Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez shot at least seven bullets at the executive mansion in Washington from his car. At the time, President Barack Obama, his wife Michelle and their older daughter Malia were not at home, but their younger daughter Sasha and Mrs Obama´s mother, Marian Robinson, were inside. It comes as the Secret Service is facing more questions over

Obama: The Country Is Better
Off, People Just Don’t Feel It

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Washington Free Beacon, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 9/29/2014 10:10:27 AM     Post Reply
President Obama firmly believes the United States is better off now than when he took office, even though the American people cannot “feel” it. During an interview with 60 Minutes’ Steve Kroft, Obama said, “the country is definitely better off than when I came into office.” “When I came into office, our economy was in crisis,” Obama said. The president then cited lower unemployment, private sector job growth, and deficit cuts as evidence of his administration’s success. “I can put my record against any leader around the world in terms of digging ourselves out of a terrible, almost unprecedented financial crisis,” Obama said. When

Justice Department expected to ban
profiling by federal law enforcement

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Washington Examiner, by Mark Flatten    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 9/28/2014 1:48:41 PM     Post Reply
The Justice Department is expected to ban profiling by federal law enforcement. Counter-terror investigators would be barred from undercover operations in mosques or other religious institutions unless there is reason to believe criminal activity is going on there, under a new policy expected within weeks. The new rules would ban profiling based on religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation and includes no exemption for national security investigations, the Los Angeles Times reports. The announcement of the new policy to crack down on law enforcement profiling was delayed for several months because of White House


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