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Rescuing a Vietnam Casualty: Johnson’s Legacy
New York Times, by Adam Nagourney

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Posted By:StormCnter, 2/16/2014 9:16:59 AM

AUSTIN, Tex. — Luci Baines Johnson leaned forward in her father’s private suite at the L.B.J. Presidential Library, her voice breaking as she recounted the “agony of Vietnam” that engulfed Lyndon Baines Johnson and the pain she feels to this day of witnessing his presidency judged through the prism of a failed war. “Nobody wanted that war less than Lyndon Johnson,” said Ms. Johnson, 66, who is the president’s younger daughter. “No matter how hard he tried, he didn’t seem to be able to get out of that quagmire. Not only did he not get out of it in his lifetime,

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: StormCnter, 2/16/2014 9:18:50 AM     (No. 9734549)

My family had a history with Lyndon Johnson and I despised the man. But, whenever I drive Texas highways in the spring, I admire and appreciate Lady Bird´s lovely wildflower legacy.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: sinic, 2/16/2014 9:27:00 AM     (No. 9734563)

Absolutely the WORST president we´ve ever had. Did more to destroy the country than any other. At least FDR had a legitimate depression to deal with...LBJ CREATED one that would last for decades...it´s still adversely affecting our country. Great Society my arse. Oh, and by the way leftwing moonbats, this DEMOCRAT was the man behind the escalation of the Vietnam War. Got that? Democrat!! I literally HATE this POS....can you tell?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Pros7767, 2/16/2014 9:28:33 AM     (No. 9734567)

My dear Luci,

Your father´s legacy will never be good. His War on Poverty has destroyed the lives of generations of Americans and cost this country dearly.

His handling of Vietnam cost this country over 55,000 young men their lives. Perhaps if he allowed them to fight to win the outcome may have been different.

No spin will ever change his legacy. He earned it and owns it.



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Reply 4 - Posted by: Scottyboy, 2/16/2014 9:33:37 AM     (No. 9734571)

We "lost" that war because LBJ tried to run it like a political operation from the White House, instead of letting the military run it from the Pentagon. His party still cannot be trusted with national security to this day because of his legacy of screwing the pooch in Vietnam.

And, as noted above, he took the political capital he derived from JFK´s death and created a monster welfare state that has destroyed the fabric of our nation, destroyed the family structure for millions and millions of people and laid the groundwork for the disaster currently occupying the White House.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Keekng, 2/16/2014 9:34:39 AM     (No. 9734572)

I agree with all the above posts. Johnson is not one to be admired.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: ida Lou Pino, 2/16/2014 9:57:13 AM     (No. 9734605)

Poor, poor LBJ.

He was such a nice guy - - a true socialist if there ever was one - - and people kept picking on him just because he was completely incompetent.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: bamapreacher, 2/16/2014 10:00:06 AM     (No. 9734611)

Don´t be too hard on LBJ. Remember, he inherited McNamara and Rusk and other incompetents from JFK. They had a bigger hand in Vietnam and the War on Poverty than LBJ himself. He was just dumb to listen to them.


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Reply 8 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 2/16/2014 10:02:07 AM     (No. 9734616)

Baloney. Johnson, the Democrats running congress, and the first generation crony capitalists all worked to prevent victory and extent it at the expense of those who went. I have long said about that war that you cannot lose what you are not trying to win.

That bunch handed Nixon a giant mess, then tried to blame him for the war.

I despise Johnson to this day. Fortunately for him, since his death, there have been two far worse presidents, Carter the Incompetent, and The Messiah.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Hotcorner, 2/16/2014 10:06:22 AM     (No. 9734619)

Another man who never ran a business just like Obama and tries to run everything - the most arrogant men they are. My brother served in Vietnam and nicknamed him "L.B. Jerk."

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 2/16/2014 10:09:53 AM     (No. 9734625)



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Reply 11 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 2/16/2014 10:14:03 AM     (No. 9734626)

In my lifetime, I have suffered under 3 of the worse 5 presidents in history. Johnson was an absolute disasters that has needlessly killed more Americans and destroyed more of the US society than any other president. He might end up better cause Obambi has finished his destructive rein yet.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Freeloader, 2/16/2014 10:16:45 AM     (No. 9734628)

"Landslide" Lyndon´s Legacy?...How to go from having to borrow the bus fare to Washington, D.C. in 1932, to having an estate adjudicated at over $98,000,000.00 in 1973!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Harleynyc, 2/16/2014 10:18:58 AM     (No. 9734629)

LBJ made blood money on the war.
That was his motivation.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: abiner, 2/16/2014 10:20:28 AM     (No. 9734631)

I´m curious about that "CNN poll." I suspect the sampling was 87% Democrat, 8% Republican, and 5% Others.

Kennedy polls at 90%? He didn´t get that kind of approval when he was actually president. Where in Hell did that figure come from?

As one who has lived through every administration from Roosevelt through the current incompetent boob, I can say with certainty that the three absolutely worst presidents I´ve experienced, in order, are Obama, Carter, and Johnson.

While Luci and the other apologists might try to rewrite history and clean up Johnson´s image, for those of us who remember, its like trying to portray Jane Fonda as a victim of circumstance (or the Dem´s favorite excuse, youthful indiscretions.)

Put it away, Luci, it won´t wash.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: DaddyO, 2/16/2014 10:26:23 AM     (No. 9734636)

LBJ, proven to have won his first election in the senate by massive voter fraud, is also alleged to have plotted the murders of several people in the 1950s and 1960s.


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Reply 16 - Posted by: F15 Gork, 2/16/2014 10:34:35 AM     (No. 9734642)

You cannot fight a war when folks 10,000 miles away are picking the targets. I bombed a target in Laos one night that the frag described as "An abandoned truck park of no military significance" - rot in hell LBJ, you earned it!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: FunOne, 2/16/2014 10:42:36 AM     (No. 9734652)

It is a massive tribute to the old white guys who were the fathers of this country that they created a governmental structure that allowed us to survive LBJ and Carter.

Obama seems like the ultimate test to American survival, however.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: LouD, 2/16/2014 10:49:09 AM     (No. 9734662)

I disagree with #2 as to who started the escalation of the Vietnam War. Look at the troop figures starting in 1961 through 1963, and you will see that the escalation started with JFK. It is rumored that they were behind the assassination of Vietnam´s president Diem in 1963. So it wasn´t all Johnson´s doing. There is plenty of blame to go around.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: skywarrior, 2/16/2014 10:53:40 AM     (No. 9734668)

Spot on #4. I spent much of 1968-1970 flying out of Danang, and I can assure you that we all knew at the time what the outcome would be. We knew that the politicians, particularly LBJ, were simply sacrificing us for their own cynical political agendas. The Rules of Engagement for aerial combat in North Vietnam back then were the role model for the disastrous ROE our troops in Afghanistan now face. Democrat treason is timeless.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: RancherJack, 2/16/2014 11:00:28 AM     (No. 9734673)

Adam Nagourney demonstrates - and in public - his astonishing ignorance of the Parrs, of Duval County, Texas.

Google it, I ain´t got time to educate the know-nothings ..

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Reply 21 - Posted by: PChristopher, 2/16/2014 11:15:29 AM     (No. 9734692)

LBJ was a sneaking, conniving dirtbag who was in over his head micromanaging Vietnam and didn´t get anywhere near the punishment from history that he truly deserved.

Oh, and by the way... we can also thank him for the absolute mess that Social Security is today.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: lazyman, 2/16/2014 11:20:39 AM     (No. 9734699)

I wonder if the toilet he sat on to give orders will be part of the display.
I did, however think his acting was great in the movie Forrest Gump.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Doctor P, 2/16/2014 11:25:47 AM     (No. 9734708)

She should follow Sen Aiken´s advice - declare victory and go home - with the same results.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: StormCnter, 2/16/2014 11:52:06 AM     (No. 9734735)

#20, Landslide Lyndon won his 87 vote margin with fraud in Jim Wells County (ballots cast in alphabetical order) and 10,000 rigged votes in Bexar County (San Antonio). Does anyone else remember that Governor Coke Stevenson won the primary, but not by the required margin. It´s in the runoff where the worst shenanigans took place. John Connally was instrumental (literally) in engineering the skewed results. It took a week to count the runoff ballots.

The Duke of Duvall County, George Parr, was responsible for a lot of really bad stuff and certainly helped Johnson over to victory. This is from Wikipedia:

"Parr´s most infamous act of political corruption was browbeating election officials in nearby Jim Wells County into ensuring the primary victory of Lyndon B. Johnson in the U.S. senatorial election of 1948. The incident went down in Alice, Texas history as "Box 13." This is a reference to the precinct in which the Parr machine created 203 more votes for Johnson, many from allegedly dead Mexican voters."

Coke Stevenson was my grandfather´s best friend and a fine man. His spirit was broken by that election. So was my family´s collective heart.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: StormCnter, 2/16/2014 11:53:05 AM     (No. 9734736)

Obviously, #20 knew all this. I´m just helping with the background.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: fayebeck, 2/16/2014 12:18:56 PM     (No. 9734769)

I must say that LBJ sure learned how to not win a war from the best. Harry Truman. And many conservatives still love the uncouth trash.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 2/16/2014 12:20:40 PM     (No. 9734771)

Another President who LIED ! This about the situation/deaths/injuries that were occurring in VietNam.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 2/16/2014 12:34:30 PM     (No. 9734781)

Don´t worry Luci. Almost every movie about Vietnam conveniently omits LBJ and shows Nixon as president during the Vietnam War. One more dumbed-down generation and he´ll be a conquering hero.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: wsdiego, 2/16/2014 12:42:24 PM     (No. 9734785)

LBJ´s strategy of "Measured Response" that in fact prolong the war because it showed a lack of will, giving NV the insight to just hang on until the US became exhausted and demoralized from lost of life! To say he didn´t want the war after his family made so much money from it is mind numbing!

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Reply 30 - Posted by: harper, 2/16/2014 1:13:27 PM     (No. 9734827)

It seems to me that the assassination of JFK is a far larger disaster than it first appeared because of the rise of LBJ.

Notwithstanding the multiple issues swirling around JFK, it is possible and perhaps likely that a continued JFK Presidency would not have led to the total disaster in VN that LBJ created. Same for the Great Society welfare disaster that overtook blacks and taxpayers and cripples us to this day.

We all would have been better off with JFK screwing around than LBJ screwing the country.

While normal people focus on and laugh at Jimmah Peanut´s gutless, gormless and floundering times, LBJ did far more long term damage to the country. He was, at his core, a criminal with no moral compass. Jimmah was just a well meaning fool.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 2/16/2014 1:13:59 PM     (No. 9734830)

What about the ´quagmire´ of LBJ´s "Great Society"? You know, the one of which he remarked "I´ll have those *so and so´s* voting Democrat for the next 200 years..."

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Reply 32 - Posted by: afherkdriver, 2/16/2014 1:37:03 PM     (No. 9734857)

I remember taxiing by piles of coffins stacked by the end of the runway at Kadena. They couldn´t send them home all at once since there were too many. Running a war from the Oval Office. How stupid!

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Reply 33 - Posted by: steelbreeze, 2/16/2014 1:48:49 PM     (No. 9734870)

Of course he couldnt get out of Vietnam...he listened to Robert Strangs McNamara

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Reply 34 - Posted by: bighambone, 2/16/2014 2:07:37 PM     (No. 9734887)

As someone who spent the year 1968 in Vietnam, including getting to experience the Tet Offensive around the Saigon region, is is now clear that Johnson could have pulled the plug at anytime when hundreds of Americans were being killed every month there and initiated the big bug out. If he had done that thousands of American lives would have been saved and Vietnam would probably be about the same country as it is today.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: dman, 2/16/2014 2:40:00 PM     (No. 9734931)

Karma´s a b***h. Just ask John Kennedy and Barry Goldwater, among others, why LBJ deserved what he got.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: grounded, 2/16/2014 5:11:08 PM     (No. 9735049)

After the manufactured crisis precipitated by the Big Lie that was the Gulf of Tonkin attack/resolution in 1964 the escalation of US forces in ´Nam really took off. When LBJ became president in 1963 there were less than 20,000 American armed forces in the theater. By 1968 over half a million. Ms Johnson, if you grieve on account of Lyin´ Lyndon´s VN legacy, remeber that it is the product of a massive fraud that your daddy berpetrated in the first place.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 2/16/2014 5:48:58 PM     (No. 9735093)

He was a filthy feral pig of a man. He was quite proud of his cheating record on his lovely wife, Lady Bird. He would lie, cheat, and steal to win an election. He was a thug of the highest order in the Senate. Laughing about picking bombing targets in North Vietnam with maps spread out all over the Oval Office floor is not what we consider admirable leadership in a Commander in Chief. Hiring Robert McNamara to run a war was a shameful decision, and sticking by him immoral. What a despicable man, husband, and politician he was. I´m ashamed to call him a Texan.


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Reply 38 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 2/17/2014 2:24:02 AM     (No. 9735360)

An awful man, and an awful president. Sorry, Lucie, we know you love your father, but there isn´t enough lipstick in the world to put on this pig.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: 4Justice, 2/17/2014 3:05:49 AM     (No. 9735365)

LBJ was a greedy, power-mongering, evil monster who personally profited off the Vietnam War through his construction and heavy equipment company. He was happy as a clam to keep that war going. The vast majority of soldiers died during his tenure in office. He is despicable...reprehensible... And that doesn´t even touch upon all the other things he did to destroy America--including the destruction of the nuclear black family, the policies that actually perpetuate poverty and the enslavement of the underclass.

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After presenting at the Academy Awards this year, Kim Novak didn’t want to leave her house. The Hitchcock screen siren, 81, was too humiliated to venture from her home near the Rogue River in Oregon. She read the cruel posts and Internet snark about her appearance, and it was just too much. “It got to me like it gets kids and teenagers,” she told the Associated Press. The “Vertigo” actress, considered one of the great beauties in her day, posted a note on her Facebook wall Thursday, acknowledging that she’d gotten fat injections in her face and addressing her halted

Elizabeth Warren whines about coverage
of her fraudulent Indian claim

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Daily Caller, by Patrick Howley    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 9:54:52 PM     Post Reply
Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren wrote in her forthcoming book that she was “hurt” and “angry” by 2012 reporting on her fraudulent claim to Native American heritage. “What really threw me, though, were the constant attacks from the other side,” Warren wrote in her book “A Fighting Chance.” “I would almost persuade myself that I was starting to get the hang of full-throttle campaigning and then — bam! Out of left field, the state Republican Party, or the Brown campaign, or some blogger, would launch a rocket at me,” Warren wrote, adding, ”I was stunned by the attacks.” This reporter (blogger?) reported extensively

Analysis: Obama Celebrates
Eight Million ´Enrollments,´
Again Declares Debate ´Over´

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Townhall, by Guy Benson    Original Article
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President Obama addressed the White House press corps today, announcing that with the final numbers in, Obamacare´s exchanges have attracted eight million sign-ups -- 35 percent of whom are "under the age of 35," he said. Several elements of his comments were misleading: (1) At first blush, the 35 percent stat is both significant and impressive. As recently as last month, the share of "young invincibles" signing up for plans was struggling in the 25 percent range, far short of the actuarial target of nearly 40 percent. A leap into the mid-30´s, while still shy of the goal, would constitute a major step, and would bode well for the risk pools'

Former US president joins
opposition to Keystone XL

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Houston Chronicle, by Jennifer A. Dlouhy    Original Article
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WASHINGTON — Former President Jimmy Carter joined fellow Nobel laureates Wednesday in opposing Keystone XL, insisting that approving the pipeline would trigger “more climate upheaval” around the globe. In an open letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry, Carter and the nine other Nobel Peace Prize winners bluntly warned the leaders: “Your decision on the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline will define your climate legacy.” The missive, published as an advertisement in Politico, represents the first time Carter has taken a position on the $5.4 billion project and makes him the first former president to come

Fox News Poll: Many voters say Obama lies
to the country on important matters

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Fox News, by Dana Blanton    Original Article
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About six in ten American voters think Barack Obama lies to the country on important matters some or most of the time, according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday. Thirty-seven percent think Obama lies “most of the time,” while another 24 percent say he lies “some of the time.” Twenty percent of voters say “only now and then” and 15 percent “never.” Click here for the poll results. President Obama has been accused by political opponents and media fact-checkers alike of telling falsehoods. Frequently cited: His repeated claim that under Obamacare “If you like your plan, you can keep

The Folly Of The Bundy Ranch Rebellion
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The Federalist, by Grace Olmstead    Original Article
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It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to

Rev. Al Sharpton’s Easter message:
Politically ‘crucified’ Obama has risen again

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Washington Times, by Jessica Chasmar    Original Article
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With Easter soon approaching, the Rev. Al Sharpton on Wednesday drew parallels between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the resurrection of President Obama’s political career. Joining the “Tom Joyner Morning Show,” Mr. Sharpton said that his message for this Easter is that “no matter what the world may do to you unfairly, no matter how you’re crucified — nailed to the cross at home, or in your personal relationships, or on the job — that you can rise if you don’t lose yourself during the hard times and the challenges.” The reverend went on to say that Christ endured so much humiliation and unearned suffering leading up to his death,

Wendy Davis will undergo neck surgery
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Star-Telegram [Fort Worth TX], by Anna M. Tinsley    Original Article
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FORT WORTH — Democratic gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis will undergo neck surgery today, her campaign said Tuesday. “After experiencing shoulder and right arm pain in recent weeks, Sen. Davis will have a routine surgical procedure to remove bone spurs and degenerative discs that are creating compression on the nerves in her neck,” campaign spokesman Zac Petkanas said in a statement Tuesday. “This is a common issue experienced by runners and endurance athletes,” he said. Davis, of Fort Worth, will undergo the outpatient surgery at the Fort Worth Brain and Spine Institute. Dr. Thomas Ellis will perform the

Obama administration gives Detroit
$100 million for ´blight removal´

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American Thinker, by Rick Moran    Original Article
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The cash infusion by the federal government is actually going to help the city pay pensions, even though they´re playing a kind of shell game with the money. As for "blight removal," perhaps they could start with city hall. Reuters: Michigan officials and President Barack Obama´s Administration are discussing a plan to free up $100 million in federal money to aid Detroit´s retired city workers, the Detroit Free Press reported on Tuesday. Citing two people familiar with the talks, the newspaper said the talks were centered around federal money flowing to Michigan for blight removal. Under the plan, $100 million


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