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Durham police officer won´t be charged
in Man´s shooting death

WRAL News [Raleigh,NC], by Julia Sims and Arielle Clay

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Posted By:Fiesta del sol, 2/6/2014 11:45:03 AM

The Durham District Attorney’s Office said Thursday there is no probable cause to charge a Durham police officer who shot and killed a man he encountered while investigating a crime scene last summer.Officer Ronald Mbuthia was investigating a report of a stabbing in the 800 block of Park Avenue on July 27 when he and other officers found Jose Adan Cruz Ocampo nearby, holding a knife. Police said officers ordered Ocampo to drop the knife, but he refused.He was shot four times in the head, chest, abdomen and left wrist, according to an autopsy. The shot to the head was

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As recently as 5 years ago, I respected the police. But the police are out of control.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Yosemite Sam, 2/6/2014 11:55:54 AM     (No. 9721821)

Pray tell. How is shooting a clown holding a knife who refuses to drop the knife, out of control?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Whamdbambam, 2/6/2014 11:58:30 AM     (No. 9721828)

There´s a subtile difference between a man holding a knife and a man who´s threatening you with it.

I must have missed the threat part in the article about four armed policemen who were facing a single individual holding a knife.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: shamrock, 2/6/2014 12:16:12 PM     (No. 9721856)

Dittos OP. Cops are out of control, and no one is safe. Heaven forbid you have a dog, because they are shot first. Most cops are trigger happy, and they always get away with it.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 2/6/2014 12:20:59 PM     (No. 9721862)

They were investigating a crime. A stabbing, as it happens.

Following the shooting, DA actions were:
review the autopsy;
review the Medical Examiner’s report;
analyze 911 calls;
analyze in-car camera recordings provided by the Durham Police Department;
review the interviews with officers;
review statements by civilian witnesses;
review interviews with EMTs and firefighters;
analyze the physical evidence at the scene, as well as the latent evidence.

They concluded that there was not sufficient probable cause to file charges.

The stabbing suspect´s attorney says: "With a more measured approach, Jose would be alive today."

Well, let me tell you about some immutable facts: it takes just 1.5 seconds for the average human being to cover a distance of 21 feet, from a standing position. In that 1.5 seconds, a person can be right on top of you.

Think about it.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 2/6/2014 12:25:23 PM     (No. 9721866)

By the way - ask anyone that knows a thing or two about fighting with a knife. To be very effective with it, the knife is held in such a way that the handle is held toward the target, not the point of the knife.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: lakerman1, 2/6/2014 12:29:19 PM     (No. 9721869)

I created and taught a graduate workshop on workplace violence back in the 1990s, and was told by my students, including FBI, Treasury, state and local police, probation and parole officers, is that law enforcement training includes the warning that if a suspect is within 21 feet and draws a knife, and the officer´s gun is holstered, the suspect will stab before you can shoot him.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: mark34, 2/6/2014 12:34:51 PM     (No. 9721878)

FTA: "Witnesses said when Ocampo was ordered to drop the knife, he pulled it out of his pocket and turned the handle toward the officers."

I don´t think that justifies shooting him. The story doesn´t say if he was moving towards the officers while holding the knife; even if he was, why not spray him with mace first, and then if he had continued to move towards the officers then they would have been justified in shooting him.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 2/6/2014 12:40:32 PM     (No. 9721881)

Yup, it´s called the Teuller Drill. A knife-wielding opponent stands 21 feet away from you. Your handgun is holstered. On signal, he runs towards you with the knife while you attempt to draw and fire. Good luck with that.

It takes only 1.5 seconds to cover 21 feet. A well-trained individual *should* be able to draw and fire in 1.5 seconds. You *can* beat the guy with the knife, but it will be very close.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Videodrone, 2/6/2014 1:49:18 PM     (No. 9721984)

Indeed #8, 1.5 seconds is not long

I play IDPA games and even keyed up to alert state with an easily accessible .45 getting the first - accurate shot in less then 2 seconds is still something I strive for

as for edged weapons, there are some handle first moves for longer blades but a typical knife is not an ice pick

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Reply 10 - Posted by: bdog, 2/6/2014 1:57:14 PM     (No. 9722001)

I love all the statistics mentioned here. Twenty-one feet, 1.5 seconds, etc. You advise the suspect to drop the knife. He has full view of you and the fellow officers, in uniform, and decides to follow his own agenda. After several warnings, drop the knife or succumb to the officer´s agenda.

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