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Maybe the Tea Party really is finished
The Week, by Peter Weber

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 1/17/2014 5:03:31 AM

T ea Party activists and the conservative groups that have enforced their agenda are vehemently opposed to the $1.1 trillion omnibus spending bill that will fund the government through September. On Wednesday evening, the House passed the bill anyway, 359 to 67, with plenty of votes to spare. Sixty-four of those no votes were from conservative Republicans. But it seems pretty clear from the vote tally that Tea Party–style "ideological purity has lost its power," says Jonathan Weisman in The New York Times. "The budget process that is culminating in the passage of the spending bill has ushered in a remarkable marginalization

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Spidey, 1/17/2014 5:13:54 AM     (No. 9695169)

For whatever reason,budget battles haven´t become a big national agenda item. Sure plenty of people are concerned about the long term effect of overspending but when people don´t see an immediate threat,they´re unmotivated by it.

There was no point in trying to do another budget battle at this time and the republicans don´t have a trump card without the shutdown option.

These liberal idiots jumping to the conclusion this signals the end of the tea party movement are delusional.It´s no different than believing Hillary is the next president because Christie has been fatally wounded.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Trigger2, 1/17/2014 5:27:21 AM     (No. 9695175)

Lost it´s power? I don´t think so. Just because the drive-by media keeps pumping this propaganda out doesn´t make it so.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Rakasha, 1/17/2014 5:35:18 AM     (No. 9695177)

Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho)... responded after voting yes on the omnibus: ´´If I started voting how they want me to, versus what I think is right, then they´ve already won.´´

Explains a lot, doesn´t it?

But, of course you´re right, Mr. Weber, the ´Tea Party´ is all washed up. Those purist boogeymen have lost a couple of battles recently and that´s all it will take to completely demoralize them and make them go away. They gave it a good try but it just didn´t work.

Good night. Rest well. That rustling in the grass over there? Just Rabbits. Go back to sleep.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: mws50, 1/17/2014 6:03:35 AM     (No. 9695191)

The emotionally-based fantasies of the clueless journalists are hilariously stupid. They desperately wish the TEA Party was dead. They will publish every negative story they can imagine and create between now and the primaries to discourage people that believe they are taxed enough already to vote for the establishment candidate. The journalists and the establishment politicians will use subterfuge, innuendo, lies, and every democratic trick in the book to dilute the TEA Party vote.

Fight back. Roll the establishment candidates this spring.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Hank Reardon, 1/17/2014 6:33:46 AM     (No. 9695205)

Until government agencies start to unleash their vast store of hollow point ammunition on the American citizenry, the people who love freedom will endure. (Even then, my money will be on "the people").

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Reply 6 - Posted by: chillijilli, 1/17/2014 7:15:15 AM     (No. 9695245)

Unfortunately, the tea party is going nowhere. It is an undefined, leaderless, incohesive, scattered and unorganized band of passionate patriot purists who prize individuality and consequently resist structure, unity, and essential planning. They could be so effective but choose to remain disconnected and autonomous.
Sigh.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: mikkins2, 1/17/2014 7:33:19 AM     (No. 9695263)

They still don´t get it.

The Tea Party is a movement named a party. There can be no "purists" because its only true ideal is combating a over spending, over taxing, over reaching government. Everything else is for most supporters a states rights issue. I have been interviewing Tea Party supporters who frequent Lucianne.com and I can tell you they are more organized and prepared than you think, just not at a national level. Will there be one national Tea Party organization? Maybe. The movement is still young, and more and more people are starting to see that it is a force and are lending their talent to it. Its leaders are defined by actions only. Not how much money they can raise.

The Republican Establishment had already stirred up a hornets nest by attacking them. After the recent trillion dollar spending bill, and if amnesty passes without a secured boarder first, there literally will not be a Republican Party as we know it today.

You can keep writing its obituary and celebrating its demise but no matter how many times you try to bury it, it grows stronger, larger, and healthier.

Got Tea?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/17/2014 7:46:19 AM     (No. 9695281)

#6 is absolutely correct. But the idea, the enthusiasm, the sincere beliefs are still there in the country, at least the core of the movement. The problem is that real success can´t be achieved without a better effort at organization and better resistance to those who simply want to be associated without really believing in smaller government, lower taxes and individual freedoms. And yes, #7, there is a great number of "purists". The very application of a rigid set of requirements is anathema to many of us who believe in individual thought, beliefs and effort. Compromise is not a dirty word if it means I can accept that you don´t believe strongly in X if you will understand that I don´t give Y a priority. In the end, t our primary goals are the same.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Rakasha, 1/17/2014 8:32:20 AM     (No. 9695340)

Will someone please explain to me what rigid set of requirements is being applied and to whom? Please be specific.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: tank, 1/17/2014 9:00:16 AM     (No. 9695395)

Sure the rigid set of requirements is responsible governance, restrained spending, less reliance on the regulatory state, and a promotion of individual rights and the rule of law.

Now, expecting that sort of behavior out of the ´´conservative´´ party is being a purist. Thatcher´s ratchet effect is hard at work here, and the GOP establishment just keeps rolling over.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/17/2014 9:09:56 AM     (No. 9695412)

TEA party dead? oh sure (wink wink).
Not a party at all, but diverse people who come together to protest the bloated growth of an over reaching government, and the erosion of states´ rights, and higher taxes to support 50 % of Americans, and the beat down of Christians and violations of our laws. You hear me, Barack?
Young and old, democrat and republican or Independent..that is the TEA party.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 1/17/2014 9:30:06 AM     (No. 9695449)

#10, just a suggestion, but I see all over these threads that even if a poster says he likes Christie, would have been able to vote for Christie, but now cannot because Christie physically embraced Obama in appreciation for Sandy help. And, yes, according to those same L-Dotters, John Cornyn has an excellent conservative rating and yes, he´s probably a pretty good guy, but he´s now a "RINO" for not following Ted Cruz´s doomed effort to the end. Another one? Rubio is "probably" a good guy, probably a real conservative and makes a lot of sense, but posters cannot support him as he is now a "RINO" for pushing immigration reform, even though it didn´t include amnesty. Another? John Thune, good guy, is a "RINO" because he appears in photos with John Cornyn. And, according to at least one L-Dotter, McConnell is unacceptable for the same reason, appearing in photos with Senator Cornyn. One more? Mike Enzi should be pitched out of the Senate even though he´s strongly conservative and his constituents love him, because he´s been there too long. There are many more examples, but none of them have to do with the original tenets of the tea party movement. I would say these are "purist" views.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: enuf8, 1/17/2014 9:41:21 AM     (No. 9695472)

Another bill passed which NO member read. They all believed Ryan´s lies/omissions, tho.


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Reply 14 - Posted by: mikkins2, 1/17/2014 9:53:33 AM     (No. 9695485)

After all that you still couldn´t point to a specific demand to back up the "purist" meme.

How many times does it need to be said? The Tea Party movement was founded on three principles; limiting government spending, limiting governments intrusion into citizens lives, and following the rule of law as expressed by the Constitution. That. is. it.

If you define that as "purist" then there is no reason to argue further. That is its purpose. If you do not approve of it, then what exactly does the Republican party stand for other then getting re-elected?

You can ramble on about photographs and whatever else you concoct to support your argument, but in every case, the people you cited have been complicit in SPENDING MORE money, allowing government to grow intruding into peoples lives, as well as ignoring the laws and the Constitution for no other purpose than getting re-elected.

The only "purists" I see are the ones who demand that a Republican serve the party no matter what it does. That is the reason why the Republican party is losing members and support hand over fist. It will not allow anyone who may be against spending tax payer money for personal and political gain.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 1/17/2014 11:14:35 AM     (No. 9695625)

A complete waste of both our time, madam. BTW, the contraction of you are is you´re, not your.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mathman, 1/17/2014 11:20:44 AM     (No. 9695636)

There is no political party known as the Tea Party.
Such an organization does not exist, and therefore cannot be finished.
There are, on the other hand, a large number of citizens who share the same outlook: we are Taxed Enough Already.
Get it? The Federal Government is too big.
Tnat faith or belief cannot be killed, the evidence is too strong.
There are folks who try to organize us; the IRS has ensured that these folks will be punished for subverting the dominant paradigm.

You can´t kill life itself. And the TEA party is life.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: doublesharp, 1/17/2014 11:21:58 AM     (No. 9695638)

The contraction for what I think of forum grammar police is dilligaf.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 1/17/2014 11:22:21 AM     (No. 9695639)

I agree, #17. Kudos.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 1/17/2014 11:25:59 AM     (No. 9695647)

What #7 said !

In my neck of the woods, three new TEA groups were created in the past month.



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Reply 20 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 1/17/2014 11:29:56 AM     (No. 9695654)

It´s nice when people say what they really think. #8, #9, and #13 think that what America needs is more compromise. Between funding Obamacare, ending the sequester, and passing $1.1 trillion spending bills without reading them, I´d say we are thoroughly compromised already.

#8 thinks our "primary goals are the same." That´s an intriguing choice of words. Most Americans are unhappy with the folks in Washington. So let´s all name the incumbent Republicans we would like to see primaried and replaced in the next election cycle. Let´s see if we can compromise on: 1. Dumping some bad apples and 2. Who the bad apples are.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: god of irony, 1/17/2014 11:40:17 AM     (No. 9695681)

See ya in the primaries!

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Reply 22 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/17/2014 11:47:52 AM     (No. 9695699)

I´m pretty sure you understood the context of "primary", as in most basic. As for the political application of the word, simply challenging without considering the possible consequence isn´t my way. Choose a candidate you like and fight for him or her. That´s better than aiming at a target without also possessing adequate ammunition.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: lil dotty, 1/17/2014 11:48:48 AM     (No. 9695701)

Believe what you wish. Caffeine is found in more than tea. Just this week study revealed it will help with memory. And......it does. Tea Party has not forgotten...and is quietly getting stronger. Yes!!!!!! we got tea.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Lucky4, 1/17/2014 11:50:42 AM     (No. 9695705)

They wish.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Susannah, 1/17/2014 12:05:16 PM     (No. 9695736)

If the Tea Party really is a unified movement with clearly defined goals, why are there four Tea Party candidates trashing each other in South Carolina in the run-up to the primary against Graham? If all their goals are the same, shouldn´t there be just one candidate instead of four at one another´s throats?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 1/17/2014 1:05:57 PM     (No. 9695834)

We do indeed understand one another, #23. I knew you couldn´t do it. Replacing incumbent Republicans is not your way. However, it´s the only way some of us see to effect real change in Washington. The Republicans we have either can´t or won´t stop spending.The Republican Party in its current form is compromising America in fundamental and irreparable ways. Either we reform the party to fight for first principles or the country goes bankrupt. The threat of primaries is a crucial tool in that reform effort.

Sincere question: Why do you think Orrin Hatch had a 100% ACU rating going into the last election? The answer is the TEA party. Whether they win or not, the threat of primary challengers keeps even professional incumbents like Hatch from compromising as much as they would like. Incumbency is all they care about. By threatening that, we change how they act in office. And, yes, we sometimes need to target and primary GOP incumbents to do that. That is what I´m for.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: belwhatter, 1/17/2014 1:13:35 PM     (No. 9695844)

Oh you compromising republicans! -stop your caviling. T.E.A. people are not a party. They have principles derived from the Constitution, and when they see it so flagrantly flouted and ´go-along-to-get-alongs´ continually touting compromise,then TEA people do what must be done. They set about educating the younger generations in the constitutional principles so that they recognize how sorely this fabulous document is being trashed. A strongly held principle will not die as some of you wish it would. It is a phoenix that will ascend as the pendulum swings away from irresponsibility of ignorant hedonists, who will not or cannot change their thinking until they have been well and truly destroyed by socialism.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/17/2014 1:36:58 PM     (No. 9695880)

Do you truly believe there is not a single GOP incumbent who is worth keeping? Not a single one? That´s mindless, senseless, and without purpose. There is nothing wrong with choosing the battles and then fighting them well. Simply aiming the double-barrel into the trees and hoping to bring someone down is just not productive, no matter how good it makes a person feel.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: absalom, 1/17/2014 3:11:07 PM     (No. 9695990)

Following a wide Tory defeat in the late 19th cent, Liberal PM Gladstone sought Disraeli´s support for Irish Home Rule. Disraeli replied, "Sir, the purpose and duty of the Opposition is to oppose and oppose we shall, w/vigor, giving the electorate a choice"
What is the GOP opposed to, what principles does it affirm and value and what choice does it offer voters?????
The usual suspects trot out the brainless bromide; ´conservative republican´ an absurd oxymoron akin to deafening silence, Catholic Muslim, square circle etc. Even a cursory grasp of history reveals that the GOP has never been anything bur a progressive left party of government and has now exhausted its raison d´etre. When voters want stuff they vote for the real deal not wannabees. Nothing is more powerful that an idea whose time has come and most emphatically the GOP´s time has long gone. A statistical anecdote from Gallup affirms that during the reign of Obama, R party identification has fallen to an new all time low. Lord have mercy!!!


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Reply 30 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 1/17/2014 8:14:58 PM     (No. 9696308)

I don´t believe anyone that tells me they are a conservative after calling a real conservative a purist. That seems to be a troll tactic.

I am not a purist. I would just like a conservative party made up of elected officials with spines. Know where I can find one?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: radrelic, 1/17/2014 10:36:02 PM     (No. 9696407)

Obstuctionism isn´t good politics and cutting off the head of the GOP is hardly a good ploy. The tea party made such good stuff happen but will not moderate and form a coalition. Many keep threatening to stay home until a real conservative (meaning hard right religious absolutist?)is put up.

So we get the communist community organizer running amok for 8 years and the autor of Hillarycare poised to take the WH in 2016 with less than 50% of the vote in.

To say the regular Joe citizen knows how to make what is best for the country is a stretch. The right should get a tea party leader and one voice and get some loyal followers and pull the party right from the inside.

By now I am too old to even give Bill the positive of his lies being more entertaining. The middle class needs to get a candidate as clean, so no scandals, as Mitt and make him into the leader they want by cooperation and patriotism. Is any leader better than his/her people?

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GREENSBORO, Ga. — Golf holes the size of pizzas. Soccer balls on the back nine. A mulligan on every hole. These are some of the measures — some would say gimmicks — that golf courses across the country have experimented with to stop people from quitting the game. Golf has always reveled in its standards and rich tradition. But increasingly a victim of its own image and hidebound ways, golf has lost five million players in the last decade, according to the National Golf Foundation, with 20 percent of the existing 25 million golfers apt to quit in the next few years. People under 35 have especially spurned the game, saying it takes too

Barack Obama and the politics of lies
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Washington Examiner [DC], by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/20/2014 5:45:25 AM     Post Reply
That was quite a victory dance President Obama did Thursday while claiming Obamacare is “working” because eight million people have now supposedly signed up for the health care program. He even indulged in some less-than-subtle mockery of Republicans - and by extension the majority of Americans who have disapproved of Obamacare since before it became law. "The repeal debate is and should be over,” Obama said, taking a dig at Republicans who are “going through, you know, the stages of grief … anger and denial and all that stuff …” But a president who is viewed by most Americans as less

Obama: ´For me, Easter is a story of hope,
a belief in a better day to come´

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/19/2014 9:16:36 AM     Post Reply
Hi, everybody. For millions of Americans, this time of year holds great meaning. Earlier this week, we hosted a Passover Seder at the White House, and joined Jewish families around the world in their re-tellings of the story of the Exodus and the victory of faith over oppression. And this Sunday, Michelle, Malia, Sasha, and I will join our fellow Christians around the world in celebrating the Resurrection of Christ, the salvation he offered the world, and the hope that comes with the Easter season. These holy days have their roots in miracles that took place long ago. And yet, they still inspire us, guide us, and strengthen us today. They remind us of our

Harry Reid calls dissident Nevada ranchers
´domestic terrorists´ following show of
force against the federal government

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 4/19/2014 9:29:17 AM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday that a family of dissident ranchers and their supporters in his home state of Nevada are ´domestic terrorists,´ citing this week´s standoff with the federal government´s Bureau of Land Management. Cliven Bundy has refused to pay grazing fees for land where his hundreds of cattle roam every day. The land is owned by the federal government, which says he owes more than $1 million. Bundy, however, insists that since his family has been using the land since the 1870s, Uncle Sam can´t collect the grazing fees. A tense standoff developed this week after

Ted Cruz, Invoking Reagan,
Angers GOP Colleagues
but Wins Fans Elsewhere

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Wall Street Journal, by Monica Langley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/19/2014 8:09:17 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON--Rushing to an afternoon vote last month, Sen. Ted Cruz hopped the underground tram to the U.S. Capitol from his office across the street. The Texan planted his black ostrich cowboy boots in the middle of the small subway car without getting so much as a nod from the other senators--Republican or Democrat--amiably chatting or huddled in their seats. Mr. Cruz finds himself standing alone a lot these days. His response to the cold shoulders: "The establishment despised Ronald Reagan" before he became president, "but the people loved him." For the 43-year-old Republican, the Reagan name illuminates his political life´s

White House asks American parents to
monitor their children for signs of terrorism

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Daily Caller, by Eric Owens    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/19/2014 5:50:04 PM     Post Reply
In a speech earlier this week, Lisa O. Monaco, President Barack Obama’s assistant for homeland security and counterterrorism, insisted that American parents must be vigilant because their “confrontational” children could be on the verge of becoming terrorists. Monaco’s full, prepared text is available here. She presented the speech, entitled “Countering Violent Extremism and the Power of Community,” at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government on April 15. Monaco began her remarks by eloquently describing the lives tragically lost last year during the Boston Marathon bombings. Interestingly, the Harvard grad failed to mention the religion or the motive of brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan

Ann Coulter takes up ‘Mitt
Romney for President’ chant again

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
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Conservative columnist Ann Coulter — who used her talk show platform in the last presidential election cycle to campaign hard for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney — has taken up the mantra once again, calling on Republicans to give the failed White House bidder another shot in 2016. She made the suggestion during a discussion on Sean Hannity’s radio show while speaking of her new book, “Never Trust a Liberal Over 3-Especially a Republican.” Ms. Coulter also addressed the question of Mr. Romney’s shortcomings by saying that his 2012 loss wasn’t entirely his fault. “I think too much blame, not only in this

You lie! Reporters accuse Obama
of deception, demagoguery just
to get attention

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Washington Examiner, by Paul Bedard    Original Article
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Prominent Washington correspondents are accusing President Obama and his aides of knowingly stretching the truth on issues like the so-called women´s pay gap just to create controversy and keep issues -- and the president -- relevant. Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus kicked off the attack last week when she blasted as “demagoguery” the administration´s tactics during the pay gap debate. “The level of hyperbole -- actually, of demagoguery -- that Democrats have engaged in here is revolting,” she wrote. CBS White House Correspondent Major Garrett then weighed in this week in his National Journal

Clintons celebrate Chelsea’s
pregnancy announcement

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New York Post, by Stephanie Smith    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/19/2014 8:32:52 AM     Post Reply
The Clintons had a busy night of celebrations after Chelsea announced she and husband Marc Mezvinsky are expecting a baby. Bill joined “House of Cards” star Kevin Spacey at the Revlon Rainforest Fund Benefit Concert at Carnegie Hall Thursday, joking of Spacey’s Machiavellian character, “When I was president people accused me of murder all the time, made a show of investigating. Spacey’s president for 15 minutes and he gets away with murder.” Spacey, who sang during the event with Sting, Stephen Stills and James Taylor, also showed off his Johnny Carson impression, taking a swipe at the coverage of Flight

Harry Reid Doubles Down on Bundy
Ranch: ´If They´re Patriots, We´re
in Big Trouble´

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Breitbart Big Government, by Kerry Picket    Original Article
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Friday stood by his statement regarding embattled Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, saying on KSNV’s What’s Your Point?, “If anyone thinks by any figment of their imagination that what happened up there last week was just people rallying to somebody that was oppressed, 600 people came in armed. They had practiced. They had maneuvered.” Reid continued, “They knew what they were doing. They set up snipers in strategic locations with sniper rifles. They had assault weapons. They had automatic weapons. And they boasted about the fact that they put women and children, in fact one


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