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Jahi McMath is Alive
American Thinker, by James Coulter

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Posted By:magnante, 1/14/2014 5:49:05 AM

The case of Jahi McMath brings up numerous critical bioethical issues, especially as we are going into period of health care rationing and fewer choices in our medical care.(snip) In the wake of early enthusiasm for heart transplantation, "brain death" legislation was passed in the 1970´s in all fifty states in the USA, to allow for death to be declared by neurological criteria, rather than the cessation of cardiac activity. This permits surgeons to remove hearts from "brain dead" donors and not be charged with homicide. Despite claims that there has never been a case of a person diagnosed with

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: mazeman, 1/14/2014 6:07:07 AM     (No. 9691119)

She´s dead, Jim.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: cartcart, 1/14/2014 7:04:00 AM     (No. 9691146)

I have been through this with a family member. Hope is a wonderful thing but it sometimes makes the wounded suffer long and senselessly. The spirit of this child is not dead but the body is. Give it some time for the pure hope of it. Families need to know they did the best they could regardless of the outcome.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: ohyababy, 1/14/2014 7:26:52 AM     (No. 9691163)

1.) Jahi is dead and should be given a dignified ending.

2.) The author of this piece should do their homework; the hospital´s name is not Children´s Hospital Medical Center (CHMC) as they repeated several times but Children´s Hospital Oakland (CHO).

3.) The surgery was multiple procedures including removal and remodeling of tissue.

4.) The hospital was simply following the laws of the State of California law when Jahi was declared brain dead and plans where made to remove her from the ventilator.

5.) The hospital was gagged by this family from telling their side of the story by using HIPPA laws.


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Reply 4 - Posted by: Janjan, 1/14/2014 7:31:20 AM     (No. 9691167)

The writer also points out that the family can get far more than the $250k limit in a lawsuit outside of California. I will reserve judgement and see what the payoff is. This family is obviously not paying for her care.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Rather Read, 1/14/2014 7:33:02 AM     (No. 9691171)

I think this poor girl is dead and her family is living on false hope. I would not want my family to keep me breathing by machine.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Fiesta del sol, 1/14/2014 7:34:04 AM     (No. 9691173)

The hospital did itself no favors by the terrible statements it has made on this. The hospital may be gagged, but c´mon. The day the judge ordered the life support turned off, the hospital was almost gleeful in anticipation of the 5pm deadline. The spokesman expressed no remorse over Jahi, just happiness that they "won."

Maybe Jahi is clinically brain dead, but in this age of death panels and politicization of *everything*, I trust Jahi´s family over the hospital.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: skedaddle, 1/14/2014 7:59:52 AM     (No. 9691211)



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Reply 8 - Posted by: god of irony, 1/14/2014 8:03:32 AM     (No. 9691217)

It seems to me that several posters and this hospital have confused the definition of death with quality of life. An organism is alive it continues to process. That is what this girl is doing. A corpse does nothing but decay.

It disturbs me that so many are willing to discard a human being like a piece of garbage and that so many doctors are willing to discard their primary guiding principle of doing no harm.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: skedaddle, 1/14/2014 8:06:21 AM     (No. 9691222)

Nobody is even asking why the girl should have been operated on in the first place. She´s obviously very overweight so it seems a better treatment for apnea would be weight loss. It´s like the hospital just wants to make money. When they botched her medical care, they tried to harvest her organs and make even more money. When they were thwarted in that, the hospital showed their true evil colors in every callous statement they´ve made.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 1/14/2014 8:23:20 AM     (No. 9691247)

I weep for the children of prior posters and pray they never find themselves similarly situated.

What a wretched decision to face.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/14/2014 9:20:51 AM     (No. 9691324)

Sometimes you have to love enough to LET GO.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Felixcat, 1/14/2014 9:31:13 AM     (No. 9691342)

Technology is a wonderful thing but can certainly complicate matters. I´m not a MD, but if it wasn´t for the respirator, wouldn´t she be dead already?

No one wants to discard this human life just because, but what about the quality of her life now? And quite frankly, money is an issue. How many families could afford this "care?" We all can´t rely on some wealthy benefactor or charity to pay for our care if we were in the same situation.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Razorgirl, 1/14/2014 10:36:12 AM     (No. 9691452)

I have wondered from the start if this hospital was trying to cover their backside in one of their own hospital gowns. It was almost like they didn´t want a second opinion for some reason. Is there something to hide?

However, there comes a time when the family has to ask themselves, Are we keeping her alive for us or for her? Life support can be cruel for both the family and the patient.

I have noticed over the years that those who believe in Heaven are more willing to part with their loved ones than those who do not. Wonder why that is?


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Reply 14 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/14/2014 10:58:04 AM     (No. 9691486)

No, she is not.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: RTC60, 1/14/2014 11:08:53 AM     (No. 9691509)

40+ years a nurse, and I have NEVER seen a hospital more clumsy, more heavy-handed, more graceless, in handling an end-of-life issue. Whatever blowback they get from this, IMO they brought it on themselves. I´ve seen many people die; I´ve never seen a full-scale war erupt over a patient like this. I don´t believe the war was justified or unavoidable.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/14/2014 11:18:45 AM     (No. 9691522)

Could Coulter´s real name be Dr. Paul Byrne?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 1/14/2014 11:31:57 AM     (No. 9691544)

This whole wretched issue comes down to two quotes from the article:

1. "Another California girl, Rebecca Jimenez, had severe neurological damage after similar surgery in 2011 and received a multi-million dollar settlement from CHMC."

2. "It is only due to the persistence of her attorney Chris Dolan and mobilization of Jahi´s local African-American community in demonstrations outside the hospital and fund-raisers that Jahi is alive today."

It is not cold nor callous to consider quality of life...er, existence, and finite resources in this case.

Jahi´s lifeless shell will make a lot of money for her family...and their lawyers. The inevitable adverse judgment against the hospital will result in reduced services for patients in the future.


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Reply 18 - Posted by: Susannah, 1/14/2014 11:42:04 AM     (No. 9691561)

#16, good question.

The child is dead, and has been since December 12. If you doubt that, read the affidavit filed with the court on January 3 by the pediatric intensive care specialist, Heidi Flori, who examined the body and described in some detail the state of decomposition it was already undergoing: media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/HeidiFlori.pdf

The family can continue to slander the hospital all it likes. HIPAA prevents the hospital from responding except for those documents it released to the courts. The child´s grandmother and step-father confirmed that they had suctioned the child, in direct contravention of post-op medical instructions.

And you really have to wonder about Jahi´s uncle, who said that a dead child was worth only $250,000--chump change, as he elegantly phrased it--as opposed to $30,000,000 for a live but permanently disabled child.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: mossley, 1/14/2014 11:50:35 AM     (No. 9691578)

For the people blaming the hospital, go look up Trials and Tribulations of Jahi McBeth. Your basing your assumptions on what the family has told the press, and the family has been lying from the get-go.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Butch59, 1/14/2014 12:18:26 PM     (No. 9691627)

My family went through this same situation a few years ago with one of my younger brothers. He had just turned 60yrs old at the time. He had a stroke and was declared brain dead from it. When told all of this and what it would take to keep him on life support etc, my mother told them to go ahead and remove the ventilator and IV´s. Even after all life support was removed, he continued to be able to breath on his own for several days before cardiac death occurred. And I still have thoughts about what would have been the outcome if life support had not been removed when it was. And no, he was not an organ donor.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: FL Homeschool Mom, 1/14/2014 12:28:09 PM     (No. 9691642)

This family needs time to process reality. I went through this in 2011 with my husband. He suddenly went into arrhythmia one night, resulting in an anoxic brain injury. As a mother of 3 children under 10 at the time, I had to make sure I´d done everything possible to bring their Daddy home. After 2 months, I had to make the decision to pull his ventilator and to this day I feel guilty - even though I know he couldn´t recover. I pray for this family and their little girl.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 1/14/2014 2:13:14 PM     (No. 9691796)

Haven´t followed this story other than to notice headlines and pray for the little girl and her family. This is something nobody would want to have to face and make the ultimate decision. My heart goes out to all of you who have been in similar situations.

Is there any chance of recovery?

Is there irreversible absence of all brain function?

Is there any oxygen or blood flow to the brain?

Are neurons undergoing necrosis?

From what I understand that is whole-brain death and can can occur even if other organs, such as the heart, kidney or liver are still viable.

That is what makes the decision so difficult. It´s hard to wrap your mind around accepting that a body is dead when it still has functioning vital organs. However, if machinery and medication has replaced the brain as the means of causing those organs to function when they would stop functioning otherwise, it does seem that the person is dead.


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Reply 23 - Posted by: Susannah, 1/14/2014 2:29:29 PM     (No. 9691806)

#22, according to the court documents I read, Jahi was examined by three neurologists (one court-appointed at the family´s request) on three different occasions. She was administered electroencephalographs that determined she had no brain activity even in the brain stem. She was also given a radionuclide perfusion test to establish if there was any blood flow to her brain; there wasn´t. The pediatric critical care specialist who examined her said she was in a state of decomposition.

She isn´t in a coma or a persistent vegetative state because her brain stem in additional to her cerebrum and cerebellum is dead. Therefore, she is dead. Her brain has been undergoing autolysis for over a month, and is now in a liquid state. Ventilating the corpse will somewhat slow the decay process, but the fact that a feeding tube was inserted will countermand that.

She had a complex elective surgery that her mother requested. She was also morbidly obese, diabetic, incontinent, and asthmatic before the surgery. On top of that, her grandmother and step-father took it upon themselves to suction her while she was in the pediatric/intensive care recovery area.

The poor child is dead. She needs a funeral and a burial.



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Reply 24 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/14/2014 3:15:48 PM     (No. 9691849)

Re #22,
No.

Yes.

No.

Yes.

The excellent article referred to on the thread is entitled "Jahi´s Legacy" and it was posted at the blog Trials & Tribulations. The original post has been updated several times.

The girl´s name (see headline) is McMath.

Trial lawyer Christopher Dolan has been president and is now a board member of a trial lawyer´s organization that is involved in activism to remove California´s $250,000 limit on medical lawsuits. He has found the perfect vehicle in Jahi McMath and her family, which includes an apparently unscrupulous uncle.




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Reply 25 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/14/2014 3:22:22 PM     (No. 9691859)

Jahi´s brain and brain stem are gone. There is no blood circulation to the brain and brainstem, no electrical activity, nothing. There hasn´t been since she was pronounced dead on December 12.

Nothing the hospital could have done would have restored her brain. Nothing.

Her organs are being kept going by a ventilator which puts oxygen into her blood. That blood does not go to her brain.

As many articles tell us, the heart can be kept going without any body at all if it is hooked up to the proper equipment.

The mechanical devices are providing what the pediatrician called "the illusion of life".

She is not Terry Schiavo. Schiavo had circulation to her brain and some function, albeit at a lower level than a healthy brain. She was in a "persistent vegetative state". Jahi is not.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: 4Justice, 1/14/2014 4:13:12 PM     (No. 9691936)

Children´s Hospital in Oakland used to be one of the best! I don´t know if that has changed but it is sort of strange when a young girl like that dies so easily for something so relatively minor. Yes, it was a more complex procedure than what was implied initially, but still...in today´s world, it is not common for 13 year olds to die so easily. I sometimes wonder how I survived emergency brain surgery in May when I hear some of the things my roommate tells me.

At any rate, it is clear that Jahi is dead and the family needs to let go. I read the report by the medic, Flori, and it is clear that her body is decaying and there is no way she would ever be able to return. Just because a body is "functioning" while on respirators and tubes, doesn´t mean the person is "alive". They all need to let go.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 1/14/2014 5:34:48 PM     (No. 9692019)

Thank you for the information, #s 23,24,25.

This is obviously a very difficult subject. God is the giver of life, and, of course, the end of life should be determined by Him.
I never would want to make a decision that resulted in causing the death of a living person, and I would want to make certain. I pray that I´m never faced with this situation.

That said, I don´t know how to say the following in a delicate manner, so I´ll just say that I mean no disrespect to anyone. In a way it is as much a question as it is a statement.

When I was a child, I spent a lot of time with my grandparents at their home in the country during summer vacations from school. My grandmother often killed and dressed chickens for us to eat. She was very proficient at wringing their necks and popping their heads off. I noticed that they ran around headless for a little while afterward. The chicken ran around and appeared to be alive, although it had no head. That ended, of course, once its vital organs shut down.

I´ve wondered if that is a similar situation to being totally brain dead, yet, that body has necessary equipment attached to it in order to keep the organs, other than the brain, functioning for a longer period of time. As #25 has pointed out, the heart can be kept functioning without a body. As #23 has pointed out, those tests performed on Jahi certainly indicate there is no recovery possible and that decomposition has begun. So, this does appear different from the Terri S. case. (I thought she should have been allowed to live. She was obviously alive.)








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Reply 28 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 1/14/2014 7:42:02 PM     (No. 9692168)

Re #26, it was NOT a minor procedure. Go and find "Jahi´s Legacy" at Trials & Tribulations and read not only the posts but the court papers that are linked there (actual copies at ScribD).

And it seems she´d had at least two prior surgeries to correct the problem. Her sleep apnea was so bad that it apparently caused her to be a bedwetter. And she was becoming afraid to go to sleep. Afraid she wouldn´t wake.

There are quoted statements from the uncle that Jahi´s grandmother (said to be an LVN at another facility) suctioned her throat after she began to bleed. That could have exacerbated the problem. And her family - allowed to visit in multiples and outside of regular visiting hours - encouraged her to talk during the first days when she was not to talk.

Think of the massive remodeling of your upper airway - nasal turbinates, soft palate and uvula, adenoids and tonsils - and imagine how this circulation-rich area could bleed profusely if rules were not followed.

She was in the ICU from the time of her surgery because it was characterized as "complex". Three days later things went wrong. At some point we may find out just what happened. It may take a while.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: flybynight, 1/14/2014 8:49:47 PM     (No. 9692258)

There are more tragedies compounding this sad story.
Tragedy number one is, of course, the death of a child, possibly due to well-meaning but harmful familial intervention.
Tragedy number two is the refusal of the family, their lawyers, and "ethical" organizations, to admit that the girl´s brain is gone, and so, sadly, is she. Countless dollars that could have gone to help the living, will be spent in the denial of her death.
Tragedies number three through, what, twelve? are the little children, especially African American children, who are dying of kidney, heart, lung, blood and liver diseases, who will not get their desperately needed transplant organs in time. There are blind ones who need good corneas, horribly burned babies who would be saved with skin transplants, and other ways this hopelessly dead child could have lived on, and given such joy and real hope to others. What appalling selfishness these people and their greedy lawyers have shown.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 1/14/2014 9:05:54 PM     (No. 9692276)

Seems like Jahi, a child unable to make her own decisions, has been let down by everyone.
Why perform multiple surgeries on an overweight child at risk ?
Was she of no value to the hospital once they found out she was not a donor ?
Is the family keeping her alive to gain more in a lawsuit ?
How about the attorney´s motives ?
G-d bless and keep this child.

I regret to this day listening to a doctor in a hospital where a parent died because- after all, they were in their 90´s.

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In Dearborn, Mich., home to over 40,000 Americans of Arab descent, some Muslim parents have complained about flyers handed out at public schools advertising an Easter egg hunt at a local Presbyterian church. The Muslim parents assert that the flyers – emblazoned with the word “Eggstravaganza!” – violate the separation of church and state widely ascribed to the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause, reports the Detroit Free Press. Students at three Dearborn elementary schools received the flyers. A large number of Muslim students attend the schools. The “Eggstravaganza!” is scheduled to take place on April 12 event at Cherry Hill Presbyterian Church

CIA Official Dies in Apparent Suicide
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Washington Free Beacon, by Bill Gertz    Original Article
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A senior CIA official has died in an apparent suicide this week from injuries sustained after jumping off a building in northern Virginia, according to sources close to the CIA. CIA spokesman Christopher White confirmed the death and said the incident did not take place at CIA headquarters in McLean, Va. “We can confirm that there was an individual fatally injured at a facility where agency work is done,” White told the Washington Free Beacon. “He was rushed to a local area hospital where he subsequently died. Due to privacy reasons and out of respect for the family, we are not releasing

´The debate over repealing this law is over´: Obama
boasts 7.1 MILLION have signed up to Obamacare
but study shows just 858,000 newly insured*

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Daily Mail (UK), by DAVID MARTOSKO    Original Article
Posted By: FlyRight- 4/5/2014 7:49:46 AM     Post Reply
A triumphant President Barack Obama declared Tuesday his signature medical insurance overhaul a success, saying it has made America´s health care system ´a lot better´ in a Rose Garden press conference. But buried in the 7.1 million enrollments he announced in a heavily staged appearance is a more unsettling reality. Numbers from a RAND Corporation study that has been kept under wraps suggest that barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans – nowhere near 7.1 million – have paid for new policies and joined the ranks of the insured by Monday night.

If You Think YOU Can’t Name A Hillary
Accomplishment, Wait Til You See HER Try

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Independent Journal Review, by Mike Miller    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/5/2014 5:15:26 AM     Post Reply
Following her speech at the “Women of the World Summit” in New York City on Thursday, Hillary Clinton was asked this simple question by a moderator: “When you look at your time as Secretary of State, what are you most proud of? And what do you feel was unfinished, and maybe have another crack at one day?” Here are a few excerpts from her response: ”Look, I really see my role as Secretary, in fact leadership in general in a democracy, as a relay race. When you run the best race you can run, you hand off the baton.” “Some

Back to Africa? For some African-
Americans, the answer is yes

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Christian Science Monitor, by Chris Stein    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 4/5/2014 12:58:38 PM     Post Reply
Accra, Ghana — Jimmy Thorne says that relocating to Ghana is one of the best moves he’s ever made. It doesn’t matter if he, an African-American, gets called “obroni,” the local word for white person, in the streets, or if some of his family can’t quite figure out what he’s doing in this West African nation so far from his roots in North Carolina. (Snip) Whether motivated by love, money, or the desire to rekindle a long-lost connection, black repatriation to Africa remains alive and well, even if it never quite became the high-volume, emotional return to African roots

Romney’s return to public life stokes
speculation about potential 2016 run

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FOX News, by Staff    Original Article
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Former GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney has sworn off running again for elected office, but Americans have certainly heard that one before. Speculation that Romney might run again has largely been stoked by the reunion he planned to host last month in Park City, Utah, for members of his 2012 campaign and debate team and a string of recent public appearances. He has appeared on TV news shows 12 times in the past six months. That’s essentially on pace with Michigan GOP Rep. Mike Rogers, who led all national politicians last year with 26 appearances over 12 months. Romney has

The artist formerly known as Cat
Stevens enters rock’s hall of fame

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Boston Globe (MA), by James Sullivan    Original Article
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“Morning has broken, like the first morning.” Whatever your faith, if you’ve got any at all, that’s pretty much what it boils down to. The sun comes up, and we give it another shot.(snip) Stevens converted to Islam in the late 1970s, and he angered a lot of fans when he appeared to support the fatwa against novelist Salman Rushdie with comments he made in 1989. But for a kid in thrall to the kinetic power of the spinning records in his father’s hi-fi console, Stevens seemed to be living proof that popular music (he had 11 Top 40 hits in

Worth the wait! Reclusive movie
star Doris Day smiles and
waves to fans as she makes
rare public appearance on her
milestone 90th birthday

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DailyMail (U.K.), by Helen Zhao and Juliet Paylor    Original Article
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Reclusive movie star Doris Day greeted fans with a rare smile and a wave from her balcony on Thursday as she rang in her 90th birthday. The Oscar-nominee appeared in great spirits as she made the rather regal gesture from her home in Carmel-by-the-Sea, on California´s north coast - a quiet little enclave also home to Clint Eastwood - the first time she´s been seen in public since 2008. After opening up to Closer Weekly about her milestone birthday, revealing she´s still very much in demand, with scripts pouring in all the time, the silver-haired beauty appeared as sprightly as

7M enrolled doesn´t guarantee
health law´s success

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Associated Press, by Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/5/2014 9:19:39 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON- Seven million people signed up, so there is an appetite for President Barack Obama´s health care law, but that doesn´t guarantee success for the country´s newest social program. Big challenges are lurking for the next enrollment season, which starts Nov. 15. Chief among them are keeping premiums and other consumer costs in check, and overhauling an enrollment process that was advertised as customer-friendly but turned out to be an ordeal. "They have demonstrated the law can work, but we are a ways off from being able to judge its success," said Larry Levitt, an expert on health insurance markets

Female transgender student
suspended for using women’s bathroom

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New York Daily News, by Nicole Hensley    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 4/5/2014 10:00:58 PM     Post Reply
A female transgender student wants an apology from a North Carolina college for being detained by a security officer and sent home for using the women’s bathroom. The 22-year-old freshman, Andraya Williams, believes she was discriminated against during a March 19 incident at Central Piedmont Community College in Charlotte, N.C. because of her looks. The freshman said she was leaving the restroom and going to her social studies class when a female officer stopped her and requested her student ID, according to a statement released by the Transgender Law Center. The officer then laughed while asking the student if


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