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Obama´s Other Big Lie
American Thinker, by Nick Chase

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Posted By:Desert Fox, 1/3/2014 6:18:00 AM

"We will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan. Period." (Barack Obama, June 15, 2009, with variants repeated many times since). Today, any American who isn´t willfully blind knows this "promise" is a very big lie. A lie which was deliberately told by fundamentally-dishonest pushers of Obamacare, because if the truth were widely known at that time the Affordable Care Act would never have become law. It´s a lie that is so egregious,


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Spidey, 1/3/2014 6:44:44 AM     (No. 9677688)

The long and short of this (no pun intended) to me is Obama was born an American,his folks renounced his citizenship and he never reclaimed it,making him an illegitimate president,along with all the laws he´s passed..

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Reply 2 - Posted by: jir, 1/3/2014 7:07:29 AM     (No. 9677709)

There is nothing legitimate about this President from start to finish. Obama lied his way into office and as far as I am concerned, he stole the last election.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: planetgeo, 1/3/2014 7:19:11 AM     (No. 9677717)

Stop calling us "birthers". We´re verifiers. And this extremely thorough piece provides irrefutable technical evidence of Obama´s forged birth certificate, and the real reason for its forgery...his adoption and raising as an Indonesian citizen. The technical specifics are comparable to the demolishing of Dan Rather´s forged Bush National Guard docs. There is no way this can be refuted.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: grayjay, 1/3/2014 7:25:57 AM     (No. 9677721)

The real tragedy of all this is that no one cares! I´ll never understand how Obama has been able to get away with so many frauds and scandals, when presidents typically would have been run out of office long ago. What have we become?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: uno, 1/3/2014 7:41:33 AM     (No. 9677735)

It is the good ole boys club of politics, a sewer filled with rats of various political persuasions. What we need are more rat-catchers with big ones!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/3/2014 7:54:22 AM     (No. 9677750)

I had to do a bit of searching to find out about this writer. He has an intriguing blog at contrariansview.org. There are interesting opinions to browse around among.

Yes, we don´t know about Obama´s birth and we may never get the truth unless someone who knows writes a book.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: FlatCityGirl, 1/3/2014 7:57:28 AM     (No. 9677754)

I’ve got my Tin Foil Hat securely locked away for this one.

Going on six years into the presidency of the Mulatto Communist, there is one truth we’re going to have to come to grips with: where he was born doesn’t matter; whether his citizenship was renounced and never reclaimed doesn’t matter. [Actually it matters greatly in the long-term, but that’s a whole other can of worms that we haven’t pulled the tab on yet.]

What matters in the short-term is that 0bama is not an American. I wouldn’t matter if he’d been born Deep In The Heart Of Texas and could prove it, he’s not an American. There’s nothing Red, White and Blue American about him and there never will be.

He was raised a Communist, he’s steeped in it, and he practices it every day of his life, with every breath he takes. I don’t know whether someone is running him [Soros, et al], or whether he’s come up with the plans to destroy this Great Nation on his own, but I know he’s surrounded and cosseted and abetted by a Communist Media, and a House and Senate full of Red Diaper Babies who are just like him –and not all of then are sporing a “D” behind their names.

I know something else, too: this slide into becoming a Communist nation didn’t start six years ago, but 0bama, due to no other factor than his “race” has been able to further the Communist cause more than anyone before him; he’s gotten away with breaking the laws of this nation from day one for no other reason than the color of his skin.

Can we turn this Ship of State, and the state we’re in? I don’t know. As Phil Robertson said, “Big Ship.”

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Joe Btfsplk, 1/3/2014 8:07:33 AM     (No. 9677759)

I´d be willing to bet that Eric Snowdon knows the truth. It´s just a matter of time.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: pineledger, 1/3/2014 8:32:12 AM     (No. 9677794)

And as Krauthammer is starting to say with increasing frequency, just wait till next year. That´s when the employer mandate load of bricks gets dropped on the 85% of us insured by our employers. You think this is bad, just wait.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: catfur27, 1/3/2014 8:58:44 AM     (No. 9677830)

...sure he´s a fraud...the thing is the demsheep don´t care!...he is THEIR fraud...it is maddening how so many people have forsaken their country for a pathetic messiah who gives them free cellphones and foodstamps.

I often wondered how a "smart country" like Germany call fall for such an obvious fraud like hitler ? ( who also wasn´t born in the country he ruined). We are seeing the same sick scene replayed here now.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: steelbreeze, 1/3/2014 9:14:49 AM     (No. 9677854)

learn all you can about the one world government you can and all of what hussein does makes sense.When you learn what is really happening then you have a duty to America to witness to as many voters as you can

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Reply 12 - Posted by: chicodon, 1/3/2014 9:25:17 AM     (No. 9677863)

Nick is covering old ground for many of us. After seeing Obama´s (sic) grammar school registration I surmised the same thing. He was adopted, took the Soetoro name and became a Muslim.

He was a true Manchurian candidate that was groomed and foisted upon us. It would have been impossible for him to do it on his own. I would guess Frank Marshall Davis with his numerous Communist connections played a large part.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Freeloader, 1/3/2014 9:30:09 AM     (No. 9677871)

"I will hold myself as President to a new standard of openness---Let me say it as simply as I can: Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstone of this presidency."
-Barack Hussein Obama

Say what?...The following items, in the life of the world´s best known undocumented foreign student, are currently being held under the absolute strictest lock & key security by The Dark Side:

-Record of adoption by Lolo Soetoro
-Baptismal Certificate
-Indonesian Passport (Renewed for travel to Pakistan in 1981---A country off-limits to American Citizens that year)
-Barack Obama/Stanley Ann Dunham Marriage License
-Lolo Soetoro/Stanley Ann Dunham Marriage License
-Jakarta, Indonesia Public School Record
-Hawaii Elementary School Records
-Punahou High School Records
-Selective Service Registration (Released record a proven counterfeit)
-SAT/LSAT Scores
-Occidental College Records
-Columbia University Records (To include thesis)
-Harvard Law School Records
-Financial Records (How were Punahou School, Occidental, Columbia and Harvard Law educations paid for?)
-Annenburg Project Records
-Illinois State Senate Records
-Social Security Records (Why the multiple numbers?)
-Mother and Fathers´ Death Certificates
-Mother´s Probate Estate Records

And this my fellow "birthers," is just the tip of the iceberg!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: sadc, 1/3/2014 9:43:55 AM     (No. 9677889)

And, another missing document is granny´s death certificate. No one was there except the darling grandson.
So, if we are birthers if we ask for relevant documents, should we then accuse and demand from the DMV, Passport officials and anyone who processes papers that they accept whatever we bring in or we call them birthers? Certain seals, raised seals, no photocopies and other rules are part and parcel for buying homes, verifying identities in wills etc. Suddenly verification is a bad thing. Just like the Clintons, when lying was decided by the press to sometimes be a good thing. It is hard to keep up with these people.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: steveW, 1/3/2014 9:57:26 AM     (No. 9677915)

Good work, #13. What I´d like to know is why no media personality on the Right uses their forum to demand answers about Dear Leader´s beyond-suspicious secrecy? Couldn´t Hannity have a nightly "Obama Transcript Countdown" where each day with Obama´s past under lock and key is mercilessly mocked, or Rush could sponsor a Woodward & Bernstein Nobel Prize for Journalism for the first MSM reporter to even politely ask B. Hussein why he adamantly refuses to release his grades. Pressure could be put, like Trump did about the birth certificate (though why he accepted the digitized fake is anyone´s guess). Fact is, Obama is getting away with who knows what, and no one is doing a darned thing about it.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 1/3/2014 10:01:47 AM     (No. 9677922)

If and when we find out the truth, and we will, after Barry or Barack or whatever name he uses we will be shocked at the massive fraud.
I didn´t read the entire long article because I have to use my days wisely and dissecting BHO is not one of them. I know all I need to know, he´s a fraud foisted on us and sent to destroy the fabric of our nation.
Obama´s own ignorance (his low IQ) will destroy him and his handlers can´t stop him.
The US will survive after Obama but the damage will be great to the nation. What we do to survive and reclaim our country is unknown.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Me_Opinionated_Nah, 1/3/2014 10:09:24 AM     (No. 9677931)

I remember it. For me, as speeches go, it was a stem-un-winder. It was no great shakes. It was definitely not worthy of a standing-O. I didn’t doze off only because I was too busy yawning. It was the keynote address of the 2004 DNC Convention in Boston given by widely-unknown Illinois State Senator Barack Hussein Obama. For me, it had all the excitement and exhilaration of a lead balloon drop. Nonetheless the crowd went ape-.

To this day, five years into his eight-year fundamental transformation crusade, I’ve yet to like, much less believe or trust, him. Most of all, I find it astonishing that there are others who can. If they like him, they can keep him; but, better if they agree to first have their heads examined. Period.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Udanja99, 1/3/2014 10:16:45 AM     (No. 9677944)

#15, conservative talk radio is one more intriguing part of this whole story. Except for a joke or two made by Rush, EVERY mainstream conservative talk radio personality has stayed far away from this story. (I´m not including the wackos like Savage as mainstream). Why? I think that they and their families were threatened back in 2008 when the story first surfaced.

Another angle which occurs to me - maybe the adoption had nothing to do with Lolo. Having looked at photos of Frank Marshall Davis and Barack Obama senior, it´s pretty obvious to me that Davis is the birth father. Perhaps Obama senior agreed to adopt Barry as a means of staying longer in the US in return for financial compensation from the Dunhams and assurance that he would never be held responsible in any legal sense for the child. The adoption listed on the real BC is nothing more than a cover up for Stanley Dunham´s pal, Davis.

I´ll now remove my tin foil hat.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: uno, 1/3/2014 10:21:26 AM     (No. 9677952)

#13 - What about the reason Obama lost/gave up his license to practice law in Illinois? No one seems to have the answer to that mystery either.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: cjjeepercreeper, 1/3/2014 10:27:38 AM     (No. 9677962)

Ok, so the author has proved (once again) that barry is a serial liar. But, what good does that really do? The legions of idiots in this country (including the Republican Party) will do absolutely nothing about it. What this boils down to is barry soetero aka barack obama aka who knows what else, international man of mystery (snark).

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Reply 21 - Posted by: starboard, 1/3/2014 10:51:34 AM     (No. 9678012)

We´ve had bad presidents in the past and we´ve had some horrific things happen to this country, as well...and we survived. There´s no doubt, Obama has failed in everything he´s tried, except there´s one thing he has succeeded in doing, and that´s making us soft and vulnerable as a nation for financial ruin, lawlessness, disease, terrorist attack...you name it.
As an Optimist, I believe we can turn this severely listing ship around to starboard. However, it won´t be the result of an election or two. Unless something major happens...perhaps a terrorist attack, the devaluation of the dollar, or people dying because they can´t access proper medical care.

When people feel the pain, is when they will want to make a definite change in the direction of this country.
Right now, there seems to be a tipping point to almost everything and everything feels ominous. That said, I still believe in the Phoenix and shining city on the hill.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: mc squared, 1/3/2014 11:06:23 AM     (No. 9678052)

No mention of this only a few weeks old:

Official Who Released Obama’s Birth Certificate Dies in Mysterious Plane Crash


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Reply 23 - Posted by: EnsignOToole, 1/3/2014 11:06:31 AM     (No. 9678053)

Very good posts from everyone above. What almost boggles my mind is why the Bushes are so quiet. I expect they feel they have to be for the good of the country.

However, I would think that George H.W. Bush who is a former Director of Central Intelligence could find out some information about Barry. Whether or not he would share anything is another question.

Another issue that no one has mentioned is Stanley Ann giving birth, wherever she gave birth, and enrolling at the University of Washington 15 days later. Remember, the Dunham family lived on Mercer Island just off Seattle and from which Stanley Ann graduated high school. That is where she met Frank Marshall Davis who was a friend of her parents.

At this point I am so sick and tired of the sordid story of Obama´s past that I feel like shouting a Hillary quote: "At this point what does it matter?" The trouble is, it does matter for several reasons: the most important of which is the ease that possible unconstitutional acts have become acceptable. Will succeeding presidents be even more bold and commit even more horrendous unconstitutional acts without a whimper from those sworn to safeguard out country??????? Hello Chief Justice John Roberts

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Reply 24 - Posted by: TruthAndJustice, 1/3/2014 11:10:20 AM     (No. 9678057)

Americans compromised and damaged under Obamacare. An inside job to damage American medicine, American Insurance companies, Americans themselves and destroying 20% of our economy permanently.

America damaged and compromised under Obama...Allies no longer trust the USA....one might consider Snowden and his leaking is an Obama operation.

The Middle East turned over to the Muslim Brotherhood and AlQaeda....Christains murdered in a Holocaust by AlQaeda and their offshoots across the Middle East and Africa.

Starting to wonder which side Obama actually works for..as the most damaged nation in the globe under Obama.... is the USA. While the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood and Communism is rather stunning.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Rinktum, 1/3/2014 11:13:26 AM     (No. 9678061)

Progressives waited a long time for the time to be right to foist off someone like Obama on this country. Patience and the never-ending attack on traditional American values paved the way for Obama. The right people whispering in his ear telling him he was the one we´ve been waiting for was music to his narcisstic ears. Obama was groomed and managed from the day he caught the eye of the puppet masters. They cleared the way and it was not an easy way either which tells me that there are extemely powerful people in this country who are and have been working to destroy this nation for a very long time. Just pray that there are still men and women of impeccable integrity who will come forth when the time is right.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: nihtwael, 1/3/2014 11:43:22 AM     (No. 9678099)

The brilliance is in having everyone chase their tails over birthplace, which easily obscures the real issue: who his father was.

Born in Hawaii, sired by Frank Marshall Davis.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: trackman999, 1/3/2014 12:08:59 PM     (No. 9678134)

# 4 How? The msm which is supposed to be the 4th estate is a 5th column. They print agenda , they are not interested in investigative news reporting. As for those not in the media, everyone has a price , it´ just a question of what or how much. Blackmail and murder are popular methods of retribution among those with no conscience.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 1/3/2014 12:16:11 PM     (No. 9678144)

I have a theory. The reason there are so few pictures, and so few acquaintances, from his "college days" is that a stand-in took his SAT/LSAT tests, took his classes. Perhaps a Hollywood type accepted the role, since some make-up might have been needed.

On the other hand, classroom Bs-ing and double-talk that we already know he has mastered would get him through classroom time, so only the tests would need to be done with doubles or other cheating.

With grade inflation at Harvard the way it is, an affirmative action student would barely need to attend.

He clearly doesn´t know how many states we have, unless someone has clued him in and he accepts the correction. He doesn´t understand basic economics.

He thinks we have corpse-men able to serve in the military. His zombie theory of military preparedness might have been displayed also when he said: "On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

No. 0bama is not an educated man. Not a competent man. Not honorable. Not honest.

He is a petty, Narcissistic con-man.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: T-Bubba, 1/3/2014 1:13:46 PM     (No. 9678236)

#18 gets it. Few other Ldotters do, notwithstanding the wealth of wisdom of Ldotters.

Spend 30 seconds on the Dreams from My Real Father website--with the pathological liar´s photo side-by-side with his real father, Frank Marshall Davis, and also side-by-side with the dupe father, BHO Sr.

Upon this 30-second investment of your time, you will know the root cause of the liar´s need to forge the liar´s birth cert.

It is NOT a close call. Breitbart paid with his life as he began this dot-connection, with reproductions of the liar´s publicity brochure, within which the liar claimed to be born in Kenya. The brochure remained uncorrected for 17 years--until the liar decided to run for the presidency.

Then, the publicity agent claimed--without challenge from our mass-media--that "Kenya" was a 17-year old "typo," and that "Hawaii" was the correct birthplace.

Does NO ONE want to win a Pulitzer?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: cinwasp, 1/3/2014 1:16:37 PM     (No. 9678240)

Great article...politically correct, non-inflammatory, only the facts. Sadly, it doesn´t matter. Obama continues to get away with being someone he´s not.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Buttercup82, 1/3/2014 1:29:24 PM     (No. 9678254)

From your keyboard to God´s computer, #8.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: peterfleming, 1/3/2014 1:36:39 PM     (No. 9678274)

Except for Rinctum foolishly sticking to his stubborn guns calling the entire massive stealth communist attempts to take America over, a takeover by the "progressives", except for that semantic blindness, the Ldotter notes are a SENSATION. Flatcitygirl is amazing in her clarity. And the details hidden, redacted, obscure,
at this point, are almost irrelevant. Even if Obama was born in the White House, he is no American. Unlike the worst of all previous crooks, Clinton, Carter, Nixon, down the line, this imposter, Muslim, communist driven impersonator is a Constitution breaking criminal, and the missing outrage from from Washington to New York to academe to all of communist controlled Hollywoo, is what´s really terrifying to this great group of Ldotters.

Our watch dogs, the free marketplace of ideas, all of TV programming, are just letting this bold corruption slip right by in front of our noses as pretenders David Letterman, John Stewart, Jay Leno, let one more day of endangerment slip by with barely a word of black comedy truth. When the comedians are not funny, are not the backstop to truth, you know we are in big trouble as each of them hosts another propagandist traitor guest on their programs without a whimper. The sarcastic silence of the comedians IS frightening.

And, worst of all, communist influenced Hollywood, won´t even touch a movie on plain government corruption, much less EVER even mention the word "communist".

Only New Media can keep our hope alive against this 24/7 wall of statist propagandists.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: mickturn, 1/3/2014 1:54:35 PM     (No. 9678306)

Let´s cut to the chase...Just when has Obama NOT LIED?

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Reply 34 - Posted by: onashi, 1/3/2014 5:17:28 PM     (No. 9678531)

This is my article, so let me congratulate poster #3 for hitting the nail on the head: "The technical specifics are comparable to the demolishing of Dan Rather´s forged Bush National Guard docs."

Exactly so. The next some somebody slimes you for calling the "birth certificate" a fake, tell them the shoe is now on the other foot; that document experts have conclusively proved it´s fake. Where is their proof that it´s genuine?

To expect the dinosaur media to report the truth here is hopeless. But, as many of you have pointed out, the conservative commentators are also AWOL. What are they afraid of? Why are they missing the opportunity to expose yet another Obama fraud? Are they all so technically stupid that they fail to understand that Hawaiian birth certificates don´t come with white borders?

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 1/3/2014 5:49:32 PM     (No. 9678555)

After the long lists all the enablers have been named EXCEPT we the the people who complain and rant then insist someone else fix the mess.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: Tianne, 1/4/2014 2:58:14 AM     (No. 9678996)

#34, If I understand your comment correctly, please accept a most sincere and heartfelt, ´thank you´ for all of the time and effort that you have expended in amassing, examining, documenting, and publishing the information that appears in posted article - your frustration must have been overwhelming at times.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: gone2pot, 1/4/2014 8:59:03 AM     (No. 9679206)

What #7 said.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: owl, 1/4/2014 11:34:54 AM     (No. 9679272)

The AT runs an inordinate amount of articles on Zero as if this were before his first election. Who cares now ?. I´d like to see a good idea or two on how we can get rid of him. We can start with getting our act together and threaten congress crooks they´re through if they don´t string the dictator up for high crimes. For not upholding the Constitution, for treason and constantly lying to America. It´s far too late for vetting intospection´s on shoulda´s and get going on hafta´s.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: CNY, 1/4/2014 11:45:21 AM     (No. 9679282)

Excellent article and comments. As long as we´re wondering why those who have the audiences stay away from the word ´communist´, why do they also stay away from the subject of voter fraud? In fact, I´d like to see an article on the subject, because it doesn´t seem to bother anyone when entire districts vote for one candidate to the complete exclusion of a single vote for the other, and the cases of over 100% returns, etc. Am I wrong to think there could be enough fraud to steal an election?

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Reply 40 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/4/2014 11:47:44 AM     (No. 9679287)

I am really sick of the "tinfoil hat" allusions whenever someone has the temerity to continue the discussion on Obie´s fake birth certificate.

Over time much of what he has asserted, "put out there", has been fake. He lies.

Re SOEBARKAH, although the writer never found out what that meant, at least one other did. It is a compound word made up of three parts:

So what SOE BAR KAH means is literal, and I´m genuinely surprised with even Indonesian "experts" asked to explain all of this, that none of them had any comprehension of the language of their own nation.

Soe Bar Kah means literally Who is this, but the son of Soetoro.

This name is the actual legal title of Barry Soetoro, his bona fides, that he has been legally adopted, is a Muslim and is an Indonesian from the Javan region.

More here: http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/05/soebarkah.html

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Reply 41 - Posted by: Aubreyesque, 1/4/2014 12:35:07 PM     (No. 9679375)

I have one question for Mr. Chase that might help open up some avenues of investigation: have you checked into whether or not BHO is able to acquire his Original Birth Certificate in the first place? Speaking as an adoptee, adoption laws in the US are horribly restrictive of adoptees - there are only six states in the Union that allow adoptees full and free access to their OBCs, all the rest either refuse it outright to the very people who should be able to claim possession of their own birth information, or have to jump through impossible hoops (as in Texas: in order for an adoptee to get an uncertified copy of their OBC, they must first be able to name their natural parents. However, if the adoptee does not know that information to begin with and needs the OBC to get that information, they are essentially screwed.)

The reason I ask this is because it is possible that the state of Hawaii will not allow BHO to obtain a copy, even as a full-fledged adult. One would think that as the President of the US they could bypass these laws, but its possible he could not. Of course I ask myself, if ol´ Obamination is able to bypass every other law out there, why couldnt he do this, but it may be the engine of adoption has formulated a veil to keep him from doing it, if for no other reason than once it comes out, it will unravel all the other walls the adoption industry has created to keep adoptees from obtaining their OBC. I know that sounds conspiracy theorist, but hey, we´ve learned in this current administration, what was unthinkable is now de rigeur.

TBC in the next post...

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Aubreyesque, 1/4/2014 12:35:45 PM     (No. 9679376)


Im also proposing this to see if you have investigated whether or not Indonesia has these same issues with allowing OBCs to the adoptee. In BHO´s situation, all known players have known names and known track records, so there really is no mystery at all as to whom BHO belonged to or where he came from. But don´t you think it possible that the records, if you want them, are technically tied up because of corrupt and entangled adoption laws?

Im not trying to excuse BHO. I hate the man. I hate the evil he has brought this country. I hate the evil people that are part of his entourage, who are part of this college campus coup theyve enacted on us. I will never forgive them and I hope they all find themselves in hell someday. But this whole issue of his papers points to something Ive been trying to get teh attention of to anyway and there are still blinders in place, some that weren´t imposed by the Leftists who are trying to continue their coup. Some of the blinders are ones we conservatives have had in place all along.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: nevernaught, 1/4/2014 1:57:46 PM     (No. 9679483)

I´m not too knowledgeable about this subject, however I have traced my ancestry back to England and somewhat beyond. Under normal circumstances you can trace travel records rather easily. I know what ships my relatives came over to this country in originally and any and all trips after that.

I´m sure that any and all of Barry´s travel records and his passport numbers are alive and well, possibly in ship or airline records somewhere. It would be interesting to look at census records after the one released publically as of the 1940 census data. Unfortunately those were the last ones released to the public. Therein lies data that has yet to be mined.

I think it is the responsibility of the Party that internally selects a person to run for President to investigate and vouch for a candidate´s viability to run for that office. Of course these are porn experts, drunks, crooks, liars and stoners we are talking about. Their investigations and $2 will get you a cup of weird coffee at Starbucks.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: joeyinempirestate, 1/4/2014 2:21:34 PM     (No. 9679521)

#23, Poppy Bush knows lots about lots of things, you are correct; however, he thinks the world of 0 and would never drop a dime on him.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: onashi, 1/4/2014 5:29:49 PM     (No. 9679689)

#34, I came across the link you mention in my research, and as far as I can tell it´s totally bogus. Run it through Google Translate yourself, and you´ll see. "soe" and "bar" have no translation, and "kah" is "whether" or "glue". "Bar" is "son" in Hebrew (and also, I think, in Arabic), but not in Indonesian.

Do not believe everything you read on the Internet. Some people post s**t. Always cross-check.

#41, Obama´s adoption in Hawaii would pose no problem in Indonesia, because it would be recognized as valid in Indonesia by international treaty.

I did not pursue whether or not under Hawaiian law Obama could "unlock" and gain access to his Hawaiian hospital-generated birth certificate because, in a way, it´s irrelevant. (Perhaps I should.) We really don´t know what Hawaii shipped to Obama. (The forgery was generated entirely inside the White House.) It could have been his (amended) BC with the time-of-birth data, or it could have been his adoption BC.

What we do know, as verified by Onaka to Bennett, is that the time-of-birth info is in Hawaii´s database and was used to generate the genuine short-form certificate.

(to be continued)

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Reply 46 - Posted by: onashi, 1/4/2014 5:31:04 PM     (No. 9679692)

Let me add another thought -- how important acceptance is in this matter. Knowing the long-form birth certificate is fake, but not knowing the motive for this deception, makes it difficult to believe that Obama would risk (what´s left of) his reputation by releasing a fake. Once we surmise that he´s hiding his legal adoption, then it´s easy to see (and accept) why he would take this risk. No grand conspiracy, no foreign birth, just another Obama screwup of the kind to which we´ve become accustomed -- a little detail of his life he should have straightened out, but he never got around to it.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: nevernaught, 1/4/2014 8:42:58 PM     (No. 9679829)

Perhaps in the end, he is not even the person he claims to be. think about that one for awhile.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: sorosisbehindit, 1/4/2014 11:29:43 PM     (No. 9679950)

#4 When Obama hears the term "free press" he thinks it means he gets all the free self promotion he wants.

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Reply 49 - Posted by: Aubreyesque, 1/5/2014 7:38:22 PM     (No. 9680974)

#45 Actually no, its not irrelevant. I wasnt suggesting whether or not the adoption was VALID or not. I was suggesting that because of the severe restrictive laws that exist in the US that Obama and indeed the rest of us CANNOT obtain the certified birth record.

I guarantee you, #45, there is a HUGE population of adoptees here in the states that cannot do it just for the sake of getting their own information. If Obama went through an adoption, his OBC would be under the same restrictions...unless Hawaii has opened up their records (grandfathering) to the adoptee. All of these states have shut down the ability for ANY adoptee to obtain their OBC under the false...FALSE...premise that it is to "protect the privacy of the mother" (when there has never been nor is there now any contractual statement ever made in adoption legal papers signed by the birth mother) - - (thank you Roe v. Wade /sarcasm off). I am trying to point out to the author that there is an avenue of explanation that has yet to be explored. Everyone assumes adoptions are all taken care of with the purest of righteousness...when they are not. Everyone assumes that an adoptee can get whatever information they want at any time...and there are laws in place that prevent him from doing so.

As I said, Im not trying to excuse the Obamination. But there IS a flip side to the coin here that no one is looking at.

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