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Pot Opponents Predict
´Hogwild´ Colorado Trainwreck

U.S. News and World Report, by Steven Nelson

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Posted By:Desert Fox, 1/1/2014 5:10:32 AM

Colorado will make history Wednesday as the first American state allowing stores to sell marijuana for recreational use – eliciting fear and predictions of doom from anti-drug campaigners. On a Tuesday conference call hosted by Smart Approaches to Marijuana, former Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I., said Colorado and Washington state – where stores will open later in 2014 – are "canaries in the coal mine." "There are a lot of ´unintended consequences´... that will make them ponder whether this was the right decision," Kennedy said, predicting more traffic accidents, increased school truancy, higher drop-out rates and a general decrease in public health. Kevin Sabet,

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 1/1/2014 5:38:18 AM     (No. 9675087)

When will the push to prevent employers from screening job applicants by drug testing begin?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 1/1/2014 7:44:13 AM     (No. 9675134)

Will they resurrect Joe the Camel for pot ads?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: mikkins2, 1/1/2014 8:03:19 AM     (No. 9675149)

Whats funny to think about if the trainwreck doesn´t happen, what will their argument be?

They will look like nothing more than nosy-bodies involving themselves in peoples lives where they don´t belong.

I have always thought the ban on marijuana use idiotic. Any sensible person knows that the true "gateway drug" is and always has been alcohol. Matter of fact most people I know smoked marijuana for the first time at a party getting drunk and with inhibitions waning, took a toke off a joint being passed around. I know that is when I tried it for the first time.

I don´t smoke marijuana, but have seen far marital issues, pain, suffering, abuse, and death as the result of alcohol, not marijuana. Anything of the same side effects that can be attributed to the use of marijuana is due to it being illegal.



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Reply 4 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 1/1/2014 8:07:02 AM     (No. 9675152)

But with the marijuana industry, he said, "if we can catch it early enough we can prevent some of the most egregious adverse impacts."

Like the militarization of our state and local police?

Like the incarceration of vast swathes of otherwise harmless users?

Yeah, marijuana probably isn´t good for you--just like alcohol probably isn´t good for you. But a Prohibition on marijuana is worse for the nation--just like alcohol Prohibition was worse for the nation.

With all due respect to the Goodie Two-Shoes out there, give it a rest! Your War on Drugs has become a War on our Constitutional Rights.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Rinktum, 1/1/2014 8:31:19 AM     (No. 9675186)

Give it time.

Call me a busy body, but I don´t want to be surrounded by pot users OR alcoholics and I have every right to feel that way.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 1/1/2014 8:40:43 AM     (No. 9675198)

Served on a grand jury for a month. Most of the cases were drug and alcohol fueled including three fatalities. There are people out there that are walking disasters, and if they get drunk or high, watch out. You do NOT want to cross paths with them. Alcohol seems to be more problematic than drugs. Most of the drug arrests were against minorities. Was it racism? More likely, minorities were more open about drug use and used drugs more making them easier to be spotted by police.

Would you want to share a house or apartment with someone that abuses alcohol or drugs?

Colorado is about to get interesting. What happens if your local mayor or chief of police is smoking pot?

Alot of poor decisions are based on drug and alcohol use.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 1/1/2014 8:55:00 AM     (No. 9675225)

I suspect that this will turn out similar to alcohol, casinos, etc.: a small group will abuse and have a problem with it, many will indulge recreationally without any problem, and many others won´t partake at all. The predictions of calamity won´t materialize, but then neither will all the claims of societal benefits. I have mixed views on the issue. My gut instinct is that we would be better off not going down the road to legalization of pot, but the world won´t end if we do.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: MirJoy, 1/1/2014 8:55:31 AM     (No. 9675228)

Not too far back, people moved to California for its natural resources and employment opportunities and healthy living. Then a few decades ago, Colorado was the place to go for the natural beauty and chance to be yourself and ski and hike and make a simple living. Lots of changes to both states, and I don´t know if Humptey Dumpney fares any better in states than it does on a wall.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: CEP, 1/1/2014 9:11:54 AM     (No. 9675254)

So it is okay to smoke marijuana but don´t they dare smoke a cigarette, that will result in jail time. Do I have that right?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Halfvast Conspirator, 1/1/2014 9:21:45 AM     (No. 9675269)

Munchie Sales Spike in Wake of Openings

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Reply 11 - Posted by: flybynight, 1/1/2014 9:28:38 AM     (No. 9675285)

Prediction: We will have about the same number of losers, addicted nonachievers, with legalized dope as we do with alcohol. Most people can have a drink or two and go on about their business. Some can´t. Some will smoke a joint with friends instead of drinking. There will be the usual people who must deal with their psychic pain, their internal angst, who will choose pot as their vehicle rendering insensibility instead of alcohol or pills. I suspect most of those who will choose pot already do. The upshot I foresee is that we may have mellower "drunks," but probably not more of them as a percentage of the populace.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: uno_thatguy, 1/1/2014 9:46:51 AM     (No. 9675315)

2. I cherish the thought of a couple of my employees taking a smoke break and others sitting around having lunch getting a contact high. Lovely thought!

Go to #1:

1. When will the push to prevent employers from screening job applicants by drug testing begin?

Yep, freedom of choice is wonderful.


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Reply 13 - Posted by: chicodon, 1/1/2014 10:23:22 AM     (No. 9675384)

Predictions: I predict many connected politicians will get rich. I predict smuggling to dry states will explode. I predict liberal Oregon and California will soon follow.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: peterfleming, 1/1/2014 10:27:46 AM     (No. 9675390)

The two real miracles for the unwashed (those who´ve never given it a thought) are, (1) the removal of the criminal underworld and gang plunder, and (2) the return to free market pricing (it WILL become affordable!).

Of course, de criminalizing the user is also miraculously
sane. Later, we can define how this new class of people must behave in public, and the great news is that it can change and be different in each little or big town ! !

Always remember, grass is not addictive ! It may be habit forming, but it´s not addictive. THERE IS NO EXCRUCIATING WITHDRAWAL PERIOD , like the addictions from alcohol, tobacco and all the elaborately manufactured drugs (as well as, too many medically prescribed drugs). Legalizing grass is a step ahead !

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Reply 15 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 1/1/2014 10:29:51 AM     (No. 9675392)

Why is it OK to smoke marijuana but definitely not OK to smoke tobacco? Would the answer be hypocrisy?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: The Patriot Code, 1/1/2014 10:38:33 AM     (No. 9675402)

Texting while driving is dangerous now. Adding maryjane to the equation is downright scary.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Rusino, 1/1/2014 10:55:58 AM     (No. 9675422)

Read Aldous Huxley, Brave New World! He was a Prophet and he did not know it"

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Reply 18 - Posted by: RancherJack, 1/1/2014 10:56:28 AM     (No. 9675424)

They haven´t thought ther cunning plan all the way through ..

How will this effect ..

1. Economic Development?
2. Recruiting big business?
3. Civil Enforcement?
4. Insurance rates?
5. Children?
6. Hospitals and health insurance?

.. etc

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Reply 19 - Posted by: cindyk, 1/1/2014 10:57:00 AM     (No. 9675428)

Recent job transfer has us here in Denver. Went to the new Hobbit movie at an Imax theatre two nights ago. The two individuals sitting in front of us has just smoked a great deal of their drug of choice. They stunk (plus the fact that the women´s hair looked like it hadn´t been washed in a while)! Where are my rights?! - I had to cover my nose with a coat sleeve to keep from gagging. Thanks CO, I will now have to bring a facemask everywhere to avoid the smell!

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 1/1/2014 11:17:22 AM     (No. 9675464)

As a resident of the Denver area, I can tell you that the main reason this law managed to pass is because of the sitter outers here who sat out the 2012 election because Romney got nominated as the repub prez candidate and not their guy. Another main reason the law passed is because Obie´s campaign ground game lobbied the college student pretty hard to vote and vote for pot they did. Now our state will take on the stench of another drug that frankly smells like dog droppings.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: planetgeo, 1/1/2014 11:30:47 AM     (No. 9675493)

As an individual issue, it´s not the end of the world. But as yet another leading indicator, it says a lot about how our country is trending. And what it says is that it...we...are increasingly sybaritic, pleasure (not happiness) seeking, wanting to become detached from behavioral norms, needing and seeking anesthetization. In a word...eloi.

The only problem is...we are surrounded by morlocks. So go ahead and take another toke, it will make our end game go more quickly and less painfully.



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Reply 22 - Posted by: coldoc, 1/1/2014 11:46:08 AM     (No. 9675515)

Free dope for democrats. Maybe they will forget to vote.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: CEP, 1/1/2014 11:53:32 AM     (No. 9675526)

New meaning to Denver being the Mile High City.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: zoidberg, 1/1/2014 11:55:26 AM     (No. 9675528)

Everyone should be entitled to use his intoxicant of choice without legal consequences as long as he does no harm to others´ persons or property.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Butch59, 1/1/2014 12:33:02 PM     (No. 9675600)

First they just wanted a smoke fee section on airplanes and in restraurants, then it gradually expanded that now, in some place, you can´t smoke in any outdoor, public venue. The use of marijuana will, it time, end up the same way. And I´m a non-smoker and have NEVER used marijuana. Just think that if you are going to undergo heart surgery, or any other complicated medical procedure, and the Dr. stops for a few minutes to toke up. Would you be happy with that? Or a large percentage of your police force of firemen are committed pot users? Where will society be then? Regardless of what is touted about how harmless pot is, it DOES damage to the individual. I have concrete evidence of that. One week after his 13th birthday, my son´s sister and my granddaughter were killed in a house fire. Any my granddaughter was born on my son´s birthday. That hurt him terribly. And as he grew older, he went through the grieving process over and over. As a result, he turned to pot to ease the mental pain. For more that ten years, I feared that I would get a call telling me he was dead. Now, praise GOD, he is doing well, drug clean, has a good job and a very nice apartment. So, don´t tell me there is no harm in pot. Yes there is.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: hoosiergirl71, 1/1/2014 1:00:05 PM     (No. 9675640)

Jack Tapper on Twitter gives a new CO. state motto: "Have you seen your hand, have you really seen your hand?"

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Reply 27 - Posted by: St. Pitbull, 1/1/2014 1:43:30 PM     (No. 9675725)

Given that obamacare is going to be harder to get of than herpes, make every drug legal. Let people self-treat themselves. We are talking about liberty and freedom aren´t we? It shows a very shallow faith in people to think that they will degenerate to the lowest common denominator - the people who are headed there are going to get there no matter what.

Oh, and if you commit a felony while on any drug, or drive or handle a firearm, throw the book at them. With freedom comes responsibility.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Heraclitus, 1/1/2014 2:20:30 PM     (No. 9675769)

There´s a reason why it´s called "dope." The main drawback is that initiative, ambition, drive are stunted, as are mental and emotional development, especially in those who start using in their early teen (or even younger) years.

Michael Savage who has studied the impact of drugs on the brain´s chemistry, cites the deleterious effects on pot.

Sure, not everyone will use to the same extent or suffer the worst side affects. Some of the worst repercussions will be in those with underlying psychological/emotional disorders or weakness.

I suspect that businesses in CO will have a harder time finding good, motivated workers; schools will have higher (no pun) drop-out rates; number of drug-related auto accidents will increase.

One thing is true, there is much more violence connected with alcohol.

But, does anyone really, really think that drug pushers will pack up and go away? Those people are ruthless and voracious. Weed will not be the only drug growing wild in the minds of Coloradans.

Time will tell. But any other State considering this sort of liberalization ought to cool off and watch CO for ten years or so before jumping off the cliff with them.

In the interim, we might expect the drug-user population to grow as users from around the country, and even the world, will flock to Colorado and wherever drug laws have been abandoned.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: zoidberg, 1/1/2014 2:31:36 PM     (No. 9675782)

According to Wikipedia, "his 1980 book Weiners´s Herbal: The Guide to Herb Medicine advocated the medical benefits of marijuana."

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Reply 30 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 1/1/2014 3:11:37 PM     (No. 9675810)

Being ambivalent about the legalization issue, I have to say that I really didn´t know that so many people find the smell so repulsive. I can say with great certainty that it is one of my favorite smells. On the hoof or grilled.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: JimK, 1/1/2014 3:26:11 PM     (No. 9675831)

I´m ashamed of my state. But then I´ve been ashamed of my country (or at least a plurality of its voters) since that community organizer was elected.

Without getting into the argument about legalization, there are going to be dire unintended consequences to this.

Such as:
http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=371414

I left California 25 years ago because of nonsense like this. Maybe I´ll have to retire to Wyoming...

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Janjan, 1/1/2014 4:13:34 PM     (No. 9675889)

Once the government gets involved pot will only be legal if you buy it from someone with a government permit who makes sure the government gets their cut. I don´t think that´s what the pot smokers thought they were signing up for. The jails will still be full of people who don´t follow the rules. This is a billion dollar industry for drug dealers.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 1/1/2014 4:14:19 PM     (No. 9675891)

Another unintended consequence will be suffered by the independent growers, if the California experience repeats itself.

I´m in the middle of the Emerald Triangle of northern CA. Prior to the legalization of "medicinal" marijuana established growers were getting $5,000 a pound, since "215" passed the price has dropped to $1,500. The Mexican and other drug cartels controlled the "dispensaries" and supplied the product. Not until their supply starts to run thin around February or March do the dispensaries contact the lucky indies they have deigned "approved".

The growers thought they were going to make a mint a money with legalization, but now they have to sit on their harvests for up to six months and sell at a fraction of their old price. Its bad for our local economy. Pot is our only product since the enviro-communists shut down the timber industry.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: redink, 1/1/2014 5:31:43 PM     (No. 9675969)

"Take your Soma, Bernard."
Yes, indeed...we are becoming that brave new world that has such people in it.

This isn´t about liberty.
Liberty is a responsibility that most Americans now shun.

I know what pot does...and I know what it doesn´t do.
It doesn´t help you build a family, or work hard at school, or enable you to take risks and go after your dreams. It doesn´t let you live...it lets you sleep.
It lets others do the thinking for you. It makes your food taste delicious, but it doesn´t put it on the table with a loving hand.
It takes away fear and regret for a moment and buries it atop your dignity and courage until you can no longer find them.

This legalization is just another part of the madness of this age.
God help me in this new year.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Chippewa, 1/1/2014 7:01:22 PM     (No. 9676012)

There are some Federal issues here in that selling marijuana is still a Federal crime. In terms of the tax law, I understand that they the sellers are taxed on all illegal revenue at normal rates, plus a penalty, but cannot deduct any expenses associated with the illegal enterprise. I wonder if Holder will do anything to enforce any of this.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: lana720, 1/1/2014 7:39:20 PM     (No. 9676024)

My dear hubby has to go to Denver on business. He says the traffic runs so slowly already. Can you imagine his their car insurance costs will spike?

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Reply 37 - Posted by: fayebeck, 1/1/2014 10:22:45 PM     (No. 9676117)

Well it only took three responses for the ol´ ALCOHOL to be mentioned.

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When it comes to tracking the cost of Obama family vacations, there are two primary challenges. First, the Obamas are prolific jet-setters, so there are many details to track. Second, the Obama administration, clearly embarrassed by these lavish and frequent family vacations, stonewalls the release of records at every turn. But we have been relentless in pursuit of this information. Our attorneys file the lawsuits and make our case, and our investigators pour through pages of records and crunch the numbers. And the information we’ve uncovered – information that would otherwise remain under lock and key – shows that the

Why is US Senator Harry
Reid so concerned with
a local Nevada rancher?

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Fox News, by Wayne Allyn Root    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 9:37:12 PM     Post Reply
I live in Las Vegas. I live and breath Nevada politics. Something is very wrong. Something smells rotten in the Nevada desert. And Senator Harry Reid’s fingerprints are all over it. I am of course referring to the Bundy Ranch siege. This was a dispute between a Nevada ranching family with rights to the land in question for 140 years and the BLM (Bureayu of Land Management). The government claims they haven’t paid grazing fees for 20 years. The result was a government assault on the ranch- including snipers with assault rifles, SUV’s, helicopters, airplanes and over 200 heavily armed troops. No

Which Actor Portrays The
Best James Bond?

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American Spectator, by Jonah Goldberg and Taki Theodoracopulos    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 4/16/2014 11:20:22 AM     Post Reply
Look, everyone loves Sean Connery, particularly Sean Connery. That’s why he plays Sean Connery in every movie he’s in. People love that Scottish brogue so much, they don’t mind that he has it when he plays Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez, an immortal Spaniard in Highlander. The guy even won an Oscar for playing an Irish cop with a Scottish accent. Talk about sexist double standards: Meryl Streep has to master foreign dialects to get her golden statuettes. Connery just has to show up on time. In economics you devalue a currency by printing too much of it. In film you

Elizabeth Warren whines about coverage
of her fraudulent Indian claim

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Daily Caller, by Patrick Howley    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 9:54:52 PM     Post Reply
Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren wrote in her forthcoming book that she was “hurt” and “angry” by 2012 reporting on her fraudulent claim to Native American heritage. “What really threw me, though, were the constant attacks from the other side,” Warren wrote in her book “A Fighting Chance.” “I would almost persuade myself that I was starting to get the hang of full-throttle campaigning and then — bam! Out of left field, the state Republican Party, or the Brown campaign, or some blogger, would launch a rocket at me,” Warren wrote, adding, ”I was stunned by the attacks.” This reporter (blogger?) reported extensively

Former US president joins
opposition to Keystone XL

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Houston Chronicle, by Jennifer A. Dlouhy    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/16/2014 10:32:12 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Former President Jimmy Carter joined fellow Nobel laureates Wednesday in opposing Keystone XL, insisting that approving the pipeline would trigger “more climate upheaval” around the globe. In an open letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry, Carter and the nine other Nobel Peace Prize winners bluntly warned the leaders: “Your decision on the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline will define your climate legacy.” The missive, published as an advertisement in Politico, represents the first time Carter has taken a position on the $5.4 billion project and makes him the first former president to come

Fox News Poll: Many voters say Obama lies
to the country on important matters

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Fox News, by Dana Blanton    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 7:39:27 PM     Post Reply
About six in ten American voters think Barack Obama lies to the country on important matters some or most of the time, according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday. Thirty-seven percent think Obama lies “most of the time,” while another 24 percent say he lies “some of the time.” Twenty percent of voters say “only now and then” and 15 percent “never.” Click here for the poll results. President Obama has been accused by political opponents and media fact-checkers alike of telling falsehoods. Frequently cited: His repeated claim that under Obamacare “If you like your plan, you can keep

Rev. Al Sharpton’s Easter message:
Politically ‘crucified’ Obama has risen again

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Washington Times, by Jessica Chasmar    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/16/2014 3:42:51 PM     Post Reply
With Easter soon approaching, the Rev. Al Sharpton on Wednesday drew parallels between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the resurrection of President Obama’s political career. Joining the “Tom Joyner Morning Show,” Mr. Sharpton said that his message for this Easter is that “no matter what the world may do to you unfairly, no matter how you’re crucified — nailed to the cross at home, or in your personal relationships, or on the job — that you can rise if you don’t lose yourself during the hard times and the challenges.” The reverend went on to say that Christ endured so much humiliation and unearned suffering leading up to his death,

Wendy Davis will undergo neck surgery
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Star-Telegram [Fort Worth TX], by Anna M. Tinsley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/16/2014 4:02:34 PM     Post Reply
FORT WORTH — Democratic gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis will undergo neck surgery today, her campaign said Tuesday. “After experiencing shoulder and right arm pain in recent weeks, Sen. Davis will have a routine surgical procedure to remove bone spurs and degenerative discs that are creating compression on the nerves in her neck,” campaign spokesman Zac Petkanas said in a statement Tuesday. “This is a common issue experienced by runners and endurance athletes,” he said. Davis, of Fort Worth, will undergo the outpatient surgery at the Fort Worth Brain and Spine Institute. Dr. Thomas Ellis will perform the

Obama administration gives Detroit
$100 million for ´blight removal´

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American Thinker, by Rick Moran    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/16/2014 1:36:54 PM     Post Reply
The cash infusion by the federal government is actually going to help the city pay pensions, even though they´re playing a kind of shell game with the money. As for "blight removal," perhaps they could start with city hall. Reuters: Michigan officials and President Barack Obama´s Administration are discussing a plan to free up $100 million in federal money to aid Detroit´s retired city workers, the Detroit Free Press reported on Tuesday. Citing two people familiar with the talks, the newspaper said the talks were centered around federal money flowing to Michigan for blight removal. Under the plan, $100 million

Michael Bloomberg: ´I Have Earned
My Place in Heaven´

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The Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper    Original Article
Posted By: Bill the Cat- 4/16/2014 9:15:28 AM     Post Reply
Former New York City mayor is pledging to spend $50 million this year to push gun control, the New York Times reports. For this and other deeds (such as taking on obesity and smoking), Bloomberg believes he´s going to heaven. “I am telling you if there is a God, when I get to heaven I’m not stopping to be interviewed. I am heading straight in. I have earned my place in heaven. It’s not even close,” Bloomberg told the Times.

Climate change causing fish to
lose their minds, researchers say

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/16/2014 1:35:05 PM     Post Reply
Climate change’s latest casualty appears to be fish — or more specifically, fish brains — as researchers say the carbon dioxide that’s being absorbed into the ocean is causing the scaly creatures to lose their survival instincts. In other words, the fish are losing their minds, The Daily Mail reported. The acid from atmospheric carbon dioxide seeps into sea waters, dissolves and ultimately lowers the pH balance, researchers said. The acidic waters then hamper the fishes’ sensory systems, so they’re not able to distinguish between smells any longer, the scientists went on. When the acid levels get really high, the fish lose their


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