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Does Phil Robertson
get the Bible wrong?

CNN, by Daniel Burke

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Posted By:Desert Fox, 12/21/2013 8:48:56 AM

The Robertson family of "Duck Dynasty" fame has rallied around its patriarch, saying his controversial comments on homosexuality are "grounded in the teachings of the Bible." But Scripture is fiercely contested ground, and some experts say Phil Robertson misinterprets a key Bible verse. A&E, the network that broadcasts the hugely popular "Duck Dynasty" show, suspended Robertson for a now infamous interview with GQ magazine. In the article, Robertson, who became a born-again Christian in the 1970s after a prodigal youth, is asked to define "sin." Here´s what Robertson says: “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Grace1798, 12/21/2013 8:58:19 AM     (No. 9662808)

Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as if he were a woman, both men have committed an offense (something perverse, unnatural, abhorrent, and detestable); they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Grace1798, 12/21/2013 8:58:47 AM     (No. 9662810)

Romans Chapter 1 and Chapter 2
1 Corinthians Chapter 6. Very, very clear!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Grace1798, 12/21/2013 9:01:32 AM     (No. 9662817)

Since Jesus came, no one has to die according to the OT Laws which were brutal. But because we are Saved through Christ Who paid for our sins.......we turn from known sin day by day with the power of God and the Holy Spirit. I don´t agree with killing anyone....that´s also evil and SIN. Exodus 20. But...the NT writings are clear on this issue. And anyone who rejects it, is rejecting God and that´s something each individual will have to deal with some day. They can change laws here on earth, but NO ONE changes God´s Laws once you stand before HIM on the day of Judgment.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: dirtyjersey, 12/21/2013 9:01:57 AM     (No. 9662821)

Sorry folks, but this is all starting to smell like a publicity stunt. Have the star make statements that his audience likes, but the corporate brass despise.

Then put him on "suspension", and watch the firestorm. All this just happens to occur right before a new season that´s already filmed...hmmm...

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Reply 5 - Posted by: WI Cynic, 12/21/2013 9:07:02 AM     (No. 9662834)

The passage confuses the author... who probably was also confused by the meaning of the word "is".

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Michaelus, 12/21/2013 9:07:33 AM     (No. 9662837)

I love listening to the pervertophiles try to explain away scripture…..

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Reply 7 - Posted by: eoddad, 12/21/2013 9:15:41 AM     (No. 9662858)

What part of the word Abomination does CNN not understand. The issue is no longer about opinions on anal sex, it has moved on to First Amendment issues called Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Keekng, 12/21/2013 9:22:18 AM     (No. 9662868)

A very easy bible verse to understand. There is no necessity for anyone to re-interpret the meaning of words to justify immoral behavior.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 12/21/2013 9:28:49 AM     (No. 9662879)

CNN would have us believe that the Bible, like the US Constitution, is a living, breathing document that is subject to reinterpretation whenever a reinterpretation is required in order to advance the Left´s agenda. While acknowledging that translating the Bible from the original texts is open to interpretation, it is those translations which have remained constant over the millennia which hold the most validity. God´s word is constant: as it was in the beginning, is now, and forever shall be. And secular liberals who dishonestly attempt to twist God´s word in an attempt to justify their own earthly desires expose themselves as the sinners they are. They are not fooling anyone.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: M2, 12/21/2013 9:30:28 AM     (No. 9662881)

Pro-homosexual groups always twist Scripture to conform to their own desires. Even that is prophecied in 2 Timothy 3-4:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

That said, first of all, the NIV may be the most popular Bible but it isn´t the best translation. There are more accurate versions.

Second, here is a long quote from gotquestions.org, among the better Christian Apologetics websites:

The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God......

..... continued

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Reply 11 - Posted by: M2, 12/21/2013 9:30:46 AM     (No. 9662885)

......continued

God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24-27) and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger/rage, does that make it right for him to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true with homosexuality.

The Bible is not ambiguous about the proscription against homosexual behavior among men or women. It is clear teaching. Put that together with the prophecy at the beginning of this post and you have Truth, with a capital T.

As for the Bible being "translated by men", that a poor argument: These were men guided by the Holy Spirit, Who doesn´t make mistakes. Using that argument attempts to make all of the Bible null and void. Sorry. It´s a bad argument and an old one.

Trying to mold this teaching like a wax nose only makes the pro-homosexual liberal theologians look worse than they are.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: M2, 12/21/2013 9:32:51 AM     (No. 9662889)

Italics should still be on at the beginning of post #11 until the words, "The same is true with homosexuality.:

Sorry.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 12/21/2013 9:36:13 AM     (No. 9662902)

Parse away, Mr. CNN ´Belief Blog Co-Editor´. The vast majority in this country would side with Phil rather than an army of you pointy-headed geeks masquerading as experts.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Freeloader, 12/21/2013 9:42:25 AM     (No. 9662917)

Of course Mr. Robertson is right. What sodomites do with their God given reproductive organs is nowhere supported by Holy Scripture. It´s an abomination...End of story!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: mikkins2, 12/21/2013 9:44:03 AM     (No. 9662918)

I have discussed with a few gay/lesbian friends and family about this issue and each one only had this complaint about Phil Robertson´s remarks. His statement, as it has been published seems to conclude their relationships are comparable with bestiality.
That is what they are in disagreement with.

Not a single one of them supports A&E firing Phil Robertson because they are fans of the show and believe he has a right to answer a question truthfully and not be fired for it.

I do think that A&E has the right to fire Phil if they believe his remarks are detrimental to the company.

I explained to my friends that I do not think the support for Phil Robertson is because every hates them. Its more of a backlash against the selective outrage that is expressed when those who preach and demand tolerance in fact are the ones who have no toleration for opposing views and opinions.

Got Tea?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: nimby, 12/21/2013 9:45:05 AM     (No. 9662919)

And has Daniel Burke ever written a piece entitled" Does Barack Obama get the Constitution wrong?"

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Coy860, 12/21/2013 9:49:27 AM     (No. 9662927)

The loud and strident screams from the gay community only show that they KNOW what they are doing is wrong and do NOT want to be reminded of it.
Their efforts towards "gay pride" prove my point.
It is wrong and I cannot accept that lifestyle as being normal. Wave all the pretty flags you want, have your parades, but gays are wrong.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: terrywhite, 12/21/2013 10:03:09 AM     (No. 9662956)

"His statement, as it has been published seems to conclude their relationships are comparable with bestiality." And, this is what gay people are objecting to? That may be what they say, but I doubt that´s the real reason. To what authority do they turn that finds bestiality wrong? I really don´t see much distinction. Both homosexuality and bestiality are perversions of the intended sexual experience; one is sex with the same gender, one is sex with animals. Otherwise, what´s the difference? I think they really resist the idea that there is an objective reality to which they are not adhering (in other words, some things are sins) and the Bible affirms there is judgment for sinners who are not redeemed.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: stealthy, 12/21/2013 10:07:16 AM     (No. 9662966)

Behold, the doctrine of demons. GOD is the same yesterday today and forever. Thankfully his mersies are new every day. Boy do I dislike starting mine with this. The truth is written on their hearts so they will never be happy happy happy while continuing in sin.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Hermoine, 12/21/2013 10:08:58 AM     (No. 9662970)

The good professor finally gets around to admitting the truth at the end of the article:

Even so, scholars such as Allen acknowledge there are no Bible passages that support same-sex relationships, and at least seven that appear to condemn gay sex.

"There´s no way around the fact that those passages take a negative view of homosexuality, and nowhere in the Bible is a positive view offered," Allen said.


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Reply 21 - Posted by: Bazi, 12/21/2013 10:20:19 AM     (No. 9662994)

For a refreshing change of pace, what do the religion of peace and the koran say about
homosexuality?

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Reply 22 - Posted by: jimK1, 12/21/2013 10:25:28 AM     (No. 9663000)

We all know that Christianity is "out" this year with the progressives, so let´s forget the whole Bible thing. Why don´t we turn to the religion of peace which all good progressives know is true and wonderful and see what islam has to say about the subject.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 12/21/2013 10:42:07 AM     (No. 9663021)

Since Phil Robertson has managed to get the Country focused on the subject of how the Bible views homosexuality and sin, let us imagine the firestorm that would be raging right now if he had talked about the subject of abortion and the passage referring to millstones and God´s anger about harming His little ones.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 12/21/2013 10:46:12 AM     (No. 9663028)

Regarding "experts":

2 Peter 3:
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

FTA: Even so, scholars such as Allen acknowledge there are no Bible passages that support same-sex relationships, and at least seven that appear to condemn gay sex.

"There´s no way around the fact that those passages take a negative view of homosexuality, and nowhere in the Bible is a positive view offered," Allen said. "So conservatives and liberals continue to debate."
____________

This isn´t the only subject where men wrest scripture to try and justify erroneous beliefs. Playing with fire - eternal fire.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: 6079 Smith, W, 12/21/2013 10:50:40 AM     (No. 9663034)

It´s nice to see that CNN is suddenly concerned about accuracy! Maybe they should start with their broadcasts before going after Phil.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: bugboy, 12/21/2013 10:52:46 AM     (No. 9663037)

FTA: But other Bible experts said the Scripture Robertson cited isn´t quite clear about homosexuality.

Maybe not that verse and I think Phil was assuming all peoples have a handle on the Bible. But lets be specific anyone that believes in the inerrancy of scripture and that it is inspired by the Holy Sprit will take these verses at face value.

Leviticus 18:22 And you shall not lie with a male as lying with a woman; that is a detestable thing.

Now look at Romans 1 with the verses leading up to the premise. In Romans 1For from the creation of the world, his invisible attributes, both his eternal power and deity, are discerned clearly, being understood in the things created, so that they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their reasoning, and their senseless hearts were darkened...

Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to immorality, that their bodies would be dishonored among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God with a lie, and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed for eternity. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to degrading passions, for their females exchanged the natural relations for those contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, abandoning the natural relations with the female, were inflamed in their desire toward one another, males with males committing the shameless deed, and receiving in themselves the penalty that was necessary for their error. And just as they did not see fit to recognize God, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do the things that are not proper,...

There are many so called ´Bible experts´ that have a low view of scripture.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Marzipan, 12/21/2013 10:58:31 AM     (No. 9663049)

Reality check, the emperor is still naked.


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Reply 28 - Posted by: Udanja99, 12/21/2013 10:59:09 AM     (No. 9663050)

Yep, CNN is always the first source I go to when I need clarification on what The Bible says...

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Reply 29 - Posted by: mikkins2, 12/21/2013 11:10:20 AM     (No. 9663082)

"Otherwise, what´s the difference? I think they really resist the idea that there is an objective reality to which they are not adhering (in other words, some things are sins) and the Bible affirms there is judgment for sinners who are not redeemed."

If you cannot see the difference then any further debate is useless. If all you can see is sex and not the love between two people than what hope is there for reasoning.

It has always amazed me that people who claim a christian faith disregard portions of the Bible that they feel are inconvenient nor useful in today´s society.

When G*d stops supporting love between HUMANS, he/she/it has no purpose.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: FLCracker, 12/21/2013 11:10:44 AM     (No. 9663083)

I´m with you, #28.

CNN is now going to explain the Bible and Christianity to me. I am sooo relieved - all with become clear.

Hey, CNN! How about explaining the Muslim view of homosexuality to me, too? Just don´t lose your head over it.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: god of irony, 12/21/2013 11:24:50 AM     (No. 9663114)

#7, This is not about free speech or freedom of religion, it is about the free market(it is not the government firing him). No one has stopped Phil from saying what he wants or believing what he wants. This is a matter of A&E and Phil deciding between making money or sticking by their beliefs and facing the wrath.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: franq, 12/21/2013 11:29:20 AM     (No. 9663122)

Rat own, #21. The cowards in the media will never bring that up, since adherents to the ROP are in the same protected class as "gays".

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Reply 33 - Posted by: lostinmassachusetts, 12/21/2013 11:42:19 AM     (No. 9663147)

The author´s biblical exegesis contains more BS that all the pastures in cattle country. But it´s not surprising: since when is CNN an authority on the things of God?

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Reply 34 - Posted by: kahunavol, 12/21/2013 11:58:58 AM     (No. 9663177)

Re the bestiality issue - Lev 20.13 is where lying with another man is condemned. Lev 20.15-16 states - "If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Phil Robertson didn´t put those issues together, God did.

Here is the real issue at stake in America and the church today, not the conduct itself, but Isaiah 5.20 and 21-
Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
and shrewd in their own sight!

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Reply 35 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 12/21/2013 4:58:23 PM     (No. 9663596)

The Robinsons need to huddle and come back with a conversion to Islam and quote the Koran on the issue. (Not really) but it would be fun to see A&E try to fashion a response.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: mitzi, 12/21/2013 5:37:35 PM     (No. 9663629)

I thought that the whole thing with Protestants is that they are each free to interpret as they see fit. That there is no authority to tell them what to believe. That they don´t need any intermediary between themselves and God and his Word.

What´s the deal? Do you allow personal interpretation or not?

Is CNN now the Protestant Magisterium?



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I live in Las Vegas. I live and breath Nevada politics. Something is very wrong. Something smells rotten in the Nevada desert. And Senator Harry Reid’s fingerprints are all over it. I am of course referring to the Bundy Ranch siege. This was a dispute between a Nevada ranching family with rights to the land in question for 140 years and the BLM (Bureayu of Land Management). The government claims they haven’t paid grazing fees for 20 years. The result was a government assault on the ranch- including snipers with assault rifles, SUV’s, helicopters, airplanes and over 200 heavily armed troops. No

Michelle Obama Riverdances
Through Dublin to the Tune
of $7,921,638

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Breitbart Big Peace, by Tom Fitton    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/17/2014 6:45:16 AM     Post Reply
When it comes to tracking the cost of Obama family vacations, there are two primary challenges. First, the Obamas are prolific jet-setters, so there are many details to track. Second, the Obama administration, clearly embarrassed by these lavish and frequent family vacations, stonewalls the release of records at every turn. But we have been relentless in pursuit of this information. Our attorneys file the lawsuits and make our case, and our investigators pour through pages of records and crunch the numbers. And the information we’ve uncovered – information that would otherwise remain under lock and key – shows that the

Which Actor Portrays The
Best James Bond?

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American Spectator, by Jonah Goldberg and Taki Theodoracopulos    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 4/16/2014 11:20:22 AM     Post Reply
Look, everyone loves Sean Connery, particularly Sean Connery. That’s why he plays Sean Connery in every movie he’s in. People love that Scottish brogue so much, they don’t mind that he has it when he plays Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez, an immortal Spaniard in Highlander. The guy even won an Oscar for playing an Irish cop with a Scottish accent. Talk about sexist double standards: Meryl Streep has to master foreign dialects to get her golden statuettes. Connery just has to show up on time. In economics you devalue a currency by printing too much of it. In film you

Elizabeth Warren whines about coverage
of her fraudulent Indian claim

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Daily Caller, by Patrick Howley    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 9:54:52 PM     Post Reply
Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren wrote in her forthcoming book that she was “hurt” and “angry” by 2012 reporting on her fraudulent claim to Native American heritage. “What really threw me, though, were the constant attacks from the other side,” Warren wrote in her book “A Fighting Chance.” “I would almost persuade myself that I was starting to get the hang of full-throttle campaigning and then — bam! Out of left field, the state Republican Party, or the Brown campaign, or some blogger, would launch a rocket at me,” Warren wrote, adding, ”I was stunned by the attacks.” This reporter (blogger?) reported extensively

Former US president joins
opposition to Keystone XL

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Houston Chronicle, by Jennifer A. Dlouhy    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/16/2014 10:32:12 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Former President Jimmy Carter joined fellow Nobel laureates Wednesday in opposing Keystone XL, insisting that approving the pipeline would trigger “more climate upheaval” around the globe. In an open letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry, Carter and the nine other Nobel Peace Prize winners bluntly warned the leaders: “Your decision on the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline will define your climate legacy.” The missive, published as an advertisement in Politico, represents the first time Carter has taken a position on the $5.4 billion project and makes him the first former president to come

Fox News Poll: Many voters say Obama lies
to the country on important matters

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Fox News, by Dana Blanton    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 7:39:27 PM     Post Reply
About six in ten American voters think Barack Obama lies to the country on important matters some or most of the time, according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday. Thirty-seven percent think Obama lies “most of the time,” while another 24 percent say he lies “some of the time.” Twenty percent of voters say “only now and then” and 15 percent “never.” Click here for the poll results. President Obama has been accused by political opponents and media fact-checkers alike of telling falsehoods. Frequently cited: His repeated claim that under Obamacare “If you like your plan, you can keep

Rev. Al Sharpton’s Easter message:
Politically ‘crucified’ Obama has risen again

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Washington Times, by Jessica Chasmar    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/16/2014 3:42:51 PM     Post Reply
With Easter soon approaching, the Rev. Al Sharpton on Wednesday drew parallels between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the resurrection of President Obama’s political career. Joining the “Tom Joyner Morning Show,” Mr. Sharpton said that his message for this Easter is that “no matter what the world may do to you unfairly, no matter how you’re crucified — nailed to the cross at home, or in your personal relationships, or on the job — that you can rise if you don’t lose yourself during the hard times and the challenges.” The reverend went on to say that Christ endured so much humiliation and unearned suffering leading up to his death,

Wendy Davis will undergo neck surgery
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Star-Telegram [Fort Worth TX], by Anna M. Tinsley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/16/2014 4:02:34 PM     Post Reply
FORT WORTH — Democratic gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis will undergo neck surgery today, her campaign said Tuesday. “After experiencing shoulder and right arm pain in recent weeks, Sen. Davis will have a routine surgical procedure to remove bone spurs and degenerative discs that are creating compression on the nerves in her neck,” campaign spokesman Zac Petkanas said in a statement Tuesday. “This is a common issue experienced by runners and endurance athletes,” he said. Davis, of Fort Worth, will undergo the outpatient surgery at the Fort Worth Brain and Spine Institute. Dr. Thomas Ellis will perform the

Obama administration gives Detroit
$100 million for ´blight removal´

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American Thinker, by Rick Moran    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/16/2014 1:36:54 PM     Post Reply
The cash infusion by the federal government is actually going to help the city pay pensions, even though they´re playing a kind of shell game with the money. As for "blight removal," perhaps they could start with city hall. Reuters: Michigan officials and President Barack Obama´s Administration are discussing a plan to free up $100 million in federal money to aid Detroit´s retired city workers, the Detroit Free Press reported on Tuesday. Citing two people familiar with the talks, the newspaper said the talks were centered around federal money flowing to Michigan for blight removal. Under the plan, $100 million

Michael Bloomberg: ´I Have Earned
My Place in Heaven´

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The Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper    Original Article
Posted By: Bill the Cat- 4/16/2014 9:15:28 AM     Post Reply
Former New York City mayor is pledging to spend $50 million this year to push gun control, the New York Times reports. For this and other deeds (such as taking on obesity and smoking), Bloomberg believes he´s going to heaven. “I am telling you if there is a God, when I get to heaven I’m not stopping to be interviewed. I am heading straight in. I have earned my place in heaven. It’s not even close,” Bloomberg told the Times.

Climate change causing fish to
lose their minds, researchers say

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/16/2014 1:35:05 PM     Post Reply
Climate change’s latest casualty appears to be fish — or more specifically, fish brains — as researchers say the carbon dioxide that’s being absorbed into the ocean is causing the scaly creatures to lose their survival instincts. In other words, the fish are losing their minds, The Daily Mail reported. The acid from atmospheric carbon dioxide seeps into sea waters, dissolves and ultimately lowers the pH balance, researchers said. The acidic waters then hamper the fishes’ sensory systems, so they’re not able to distinguish between smells any longer, the scientists went on. When the acid levels get really high, the fish lose their


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