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Judge Cites Same-Sex Marriage
in Declaring Polygamy Ban Unconstitutional

Breitbart´s Big Government, by Ken Klukowski

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Posted By:mitzi, 12/14/2013 2:52:18 PM

In a game-changer for the legal fight over same-sex marriage that gives credence to opponents’ “slippery slope” arguments, a federal judge has now ruled that the legal reasoning for same-sex marriage means that laws against polygamy are likewise unconstitutional. In his 91-page opinion in Brown v. Buhman, on Dec. 13, U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups struck down Utah’s law making polygamy a crime. In so doing, he may have opened Pandora’s Box. As a condition for becoming a state in 1896, Congress required Utah to outlaw polygamy, which is marriage between three or more persons. This case involved a family of

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Reply 1 - Posted by: mitzi, 12/14/2013 2:59:22 PM     (No. 9653919)

I´m curious to see what the LDS church is going to say about this. From the Mormon.org website brief history of plural marriage ...

In this dispensation, the Lord commanded some of the early Saints to practice plural marriage. The Prophet Joseph Smith and those closest to him, including Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball, were challenged by this command, but they obeyed it. Church leaders regulated the practice. Those entering into it had to be authorized to do so, and the marriages had to be performed through the sealing power of the priesthood. In 1890, President Wilford Woodruff received a revelation that the leaders of the Church should cease teaching the practice of plural marriage (Official Declaration 1).

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Reply 2 - Posted by: shamrock, 12/14/2013 3:04:53 PM     (No. 9653926)

Boy did they obey it #1. The yuck factor is pretty high. It screams "pervert" to the civilized world.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 12/14/2013 3:07:52 PM     (No. 9653929)

Gee, I sure didn´t see that coming.

On an even less serious note, does than mean our ´´almost first´´ Mormon president trumps our first Gay president?

"I´ll see your same sex marriage and raise you one Brigham Young".

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Cavallodifiero, 12/14/2013 3:09:22 PM     (No. 9653931)

Though I don´t think it was extremely insightful of me or probably many of the L.Dotters who thought and said that the same sex marriage decision would lead to Polygamous authorization, may I say now it will lead to bestiality and those unions as well!

Lord Save us from these abominations, polygamy at least being in the natural order of things although abhorrent.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: mitzi, 12/14/2013 3:20:56 PM     (No. 9653941)

According to Wiki Utah page:

In the 1890 Manifesto, the LDS Church banned polygamy. When Utah applied for statehood again, it was accepted. One of the conditions for granting Utah statehood was that a ban on polygamy be written into the state constitution. This was a condition required of other western states that were admitted into the Union later. Statehood was officially granted on January 4, 1896.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: losgatos, 12/14/2013 3:24:22 PM     (No. 9653946)

I´m going to marry my dog so I can put him on my Obamacare policy. No matter how high the deductible is it has to be less than vet bills...lol

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Reply 7 - Posted by: bkt23, 12/14/2013 3:30:14 PM     (No. 9653952)

Saw this coming. Polygamy, marrying animals and even adult/kid marriages (see: Islam) are waiting in the wings for some idiot judge to rule in favor of.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: yuban, 12/14/2013 3:32:15 PM     (No. 9653953)

My bride of 45 years has nothing to fear. One of her is plenty.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: rinohunter, 12/14/2013 3:37:52 PM     (No. 9653957)

Such excellent posts! All are so spot on. And yelper! This legalization of sodomy, i.e. same sex marriage euphemism, opens the door to all and any other possible unions: Joe and his wheel-barrow, Jeff and his parquet, George and goldfish, Sheila and her jack hammer, Bertha and her zucchini garden, and so on and so on.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: dman, 12/14/2013 3:48:35 PM     (No. 9653970)

Civil unions with as many others of whatever persuasion that you please. It´s a "contract" - nothing more. Marriage? Leave that to the churches!

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Reply 11 - Posted by: kono, 12/14/2013 3:58:03 PM     (No. 9653981)

Gettin´ tired of saying "we told you so" about the consequences of point after point on the Liberal agenda. In all candor, there never was much consolation in that to begin with.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: bighambone, 12/14/2013 3:59:50 PM     (No. 9653986)

If this goes through there will be thousands of unintended consequences, you can bet on that.

In one scenario you could have people both gay and straight marrying multiple foreigners, and since foreigners who marry US citizens are allowed to enter the USA in unlimited numbers, once those foreigners get into the USA, their US spouses could give them eligibility for all sorts of taxpayer paid social welfare and medical benefits.

This will not have a good ending.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Doctor P, 12/14/2013 4:00:08 PM     (No. 9653987)

see the Scalia dissent in Romer v Evans

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Reply 14 - Posted by: mitzi, 12/14/2013 4:04:17 PM     (No. 9653994)

#10 - the problem with that is that protestant churches don´t consider marriage more than a civil union.

To repeat what I wrote on an earlier thread:

I was reading in New Advent that Martin Luther decided marriage wasn´t a sacrament but rather a "worldly thing" and owing to Luther´s influence, after the French Revolution, civil marriage was introduced in Europe.

Today, I think only Catholic and Orthodox churches regard Matrimony as a sacrament.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 12/14/2013 4:24:47 PM     (No. 9654014)

I`m going to marry my 2013 federal tax return, that way it can`t be compelled to testify against me when the IRS comes a`nockin....

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Reply 16 - Posted by: GringoinQuito, 12/14/2013 4:39:54 PM     (No. 9654027)

They will never authorize marriage between humans and animals, but as far as polygamy goes, the judge is right. If people of the same sex are allowed to marry, why not polygamy? Not that I agree with polygamy, but I have been married four times and have finally called it quits!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: squid, 12/14/2013 4:42:16 PM     (No. 9654030)

Speaking as a Mormon, and who does understand the theological ramifications, I recall Truman Madsen (Yes, I realize most of you outsiders haven´t the faintest idea who that is or the significance of his remarks) once quipped that He could easily foresee a time when the only people not practicing polygamy would be the Mormons :-)

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Reply 18 - Posted by: dipi, 12/14/2013 5:10:51 PM     (No. 9654049)

The next legal question would be if people married their pets, would they be considered dependents for tax purposes?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: MisterDickens, 12/14/2013 6:29:55 PM     (No. 9654094)

How much is that doggie in the window?
The one with the waggley tail
How much is that doggie in the window?
I do hope that doggie´s for sale

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Pinchem, 12/14/2013 6:43:18 PM     (No. 9654105)

Wow, after reading this thread I am convinced, dumb down education and rampant idiocy is far more prevalent that I could ever imagine.

Marrying dogs, other animals, objects is the total height of idiocy. You can not compare those to human beings.

Truthfully, while I don´t agree, this could lead to polygamy or even Adult (18 and over) Incest marriages (such as brother and sister). But they are all humans, not animals. I´m shocked so many are so ignorant about that difference.

Either that or this site is getting to be more liberal or LoFo than conservative.


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Reply 21 - Posted by: Cavallodifiero, 12/14/2013 7:02:59 PM     (No. 9654120)

#16 I hope I never see a post here reminding you of your prediction that they would never allow people to marry animals, because I know someone who said they would never allow degenerates to marry and they´ve become criterion for Polygamy!

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Cavallodifiero, 12/14/2013 7:06:28 PM     (No. 9654125)

#20 can you spell Satire? Anyway thank goodness for your brilliance or we would all be lost.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 12/14/2013 7:16:44 PM     (No. 9654128)

Does this ruling mean Reggie Love can come back? Does the law change (by legislation from the bench) mean Michelle´s consent is not necessary? I see lots of potential conflicts from this ruling!

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Madman2, 12/14/2013 7:19:05 PM     (No. 9654133)

If this ruling is allowed to stand it will have lots of unintended consequences on immigration, government welfare payments, and divorce laws (just as a start).

For example, if a man divorces one of his four wives is she still entitled to half of his income for alimony or only one fifth? If an immigrant with several wives becomes a US citizen is that same citizenship automatically granted to all the wives and their respective children or only to his first wife? Are they all automatically eligible for welfare if none of them are working?

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Reply 25 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 12/14/2013 7:25:05 PM     (No. 9654136)

Told you so.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Attila DiMedici, 12/14/2013 7:25:40 PM     (No. 9654137)

#20 has apparently not heard about the law suit requesting habeus corpus for a chimpanzee based on the idea that if a black slave in the 1700s could receive habeus corpus a chimpanzee should as well.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: abiner, 12/14/2013 7:31:27 PM     (No. 9654143)

#24: Yes, as long as they´re not White.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 12/14/2013 8:02:13 PM     (No. 9654172)

The exact same legal arguments can apply across the board for any union that can be imagined. It will not be animals next, but it will be walked forward. Perhaps first cousins where those are denied, then brothers and sisters. Professor Turley shows us it will be a progressive process that can walk to arguments animals or anything other kind of union because the moral aspect dissolves step by step.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: bobn.t, 12/14/2013 10:53:40 PM     (No. 9654270)

We told you so.
Now comes: multiple couples, mother-son, father-daughter, brother-sister, boy´s team-girl´s team, any combination possible.

Bestiality next.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Lucky4, 12/15/2013 12:05:35 AM     (No. 9654304)

Satan is making lots headway these days. Porn for kids, using kids, with kids, and polygamy and other unholy unions galore coming down the pike...

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Reply 31 - Posted by: FormerDem, 12/15/2013 12:32:51 AM     (No. 9654314)

as this shows, whatever the gay community thinks it´s doing, what it´s doing is, serving as human shields for an effort to expand the definition of marriage till it pops and all the little beans fall out on the table one by one. But as JP II said again and again, do not be afraid.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Trigger2, 12/15/2013 3:13:27 AM     (No. 9654381)

Next up: Making pedophilia legal.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: StuartL, 12/15/2013 3:32:42 AM     (No. 9654388)

When you leave aside for a moment your distaste for the mechanics of the any-partner(s)-will-do unions and look at the larger picture, it becomes clear: the one institution that is squarely in the sights of all of these exaggerated claims of “rights” (“human” and otherwise) is the nuclear family: one man, one woman, and their children -- self-sufficient in the things that matter most, caring for each other, supporting each other in every complementary way, preserving personal and community traditions, and ensuring that each new generation of society is trained up in the way that it should go.

The family has comparatively little need for central planning or collectivist governance. Therefore it is the enemy, and must be eliminated – or if not eliminated, then devalued, diluted, and diminished.

Anyone who is still in doubt about what happens when one of the pillars of the family – in this case, the father – is taken out of the picture needs only to consider American blacks and the stinking legacy of Lyndon Baines Johnson.


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Reply 34 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 12/15/2013 3:55:14 AM     (No. 9654398)

If this applies it will be interesting to see what happens when the Gay or les marriage partner marries a straight too.
Can you imagine the jealous rages?

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Jakester2344, 12/15/2013 10:03:12 AM     (No. 9654676)

Well 20 a bill to legalize incestuous marriages between adults was introduced in Switzerland some time back. Give it a few years after polyandry is legalized and it will be legal to marry your Mother,Father,Sister, Brother etc. When you take God´s Laws out of the equation everything is up for grabs. It depends if you have the will to resist these perversions and obviously we do not.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: Hermoine, 12/15/2013 1:07:13 PM     (No. 9654925)

Apparently, the erudite poster at #20 is so well read that he missed (or simply forgot) the works of one Peter Singer, Ph.D. at Princeton who has declared that humans are no different than animals and is in fact, lobbying for certain groups of animals to be given a type of "personhood" status due to their high levels o "consciousness."

Yes, I think it´s fair to say that we are half way down the slippery slope and will be rapidly hitting the bottom soon!

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Reply 37 - Posted by: kono, 12/15/2013 9:16:55 PM     (No. 9655403)

Apparently #20 has forgotten that much the same derision was hurled at those of us who suggested that same-sex ´marriage´ would pave the way for the legalization of polygamy.

I´m not inclined to expect the law to slide all the way to complete generalization (though #15 is a pretty good joke). But it seems only a matter of time before the animals-are-people-too crowd ramps-up the hype for letting people ´marry´ their beloved companion animals.

Folks have been leaving their estate to their pets for years now.

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Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

Illinois Dems to offer $100 million in
taxpayer money to lure Obama library site

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/18/2014 9:15:50 AM     Post Reply
First, the good news: We are close enough to the end of the Obama presidency for his crowd to talk about a presidential library. Now, the bad news: Obama´s retirement is still 1,008 days distant. Plenty of time though to round up the dough to build it somewhere. Figure they need Solyndra-style money, at least $500 million. The last two presidents – Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- built their legacy edifices totally with private money. [Snip] However, Obama supporters have a different take. They think taxpayers should put up $100 million in public money for Obama´s library.

Every Media Outlet: Hillary
Grandkid the Most Consequential
Baby Since Jesus

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Mediaite, by Tina Nguyen    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 10:34:40 AM     Post Reply
Less than 16 hours after Chelsea Clinton announced she was pregnant, a lot of major news outlets started staring into the crystal ball of Chelsea’s womb, wondering what this currently floating zygotic multicellular being meant for the prospects of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, which is also a floating, zygotic, multicellular being. Their answer: The immaculately conceived Clinton child could mean everything. And no, it’s not just the fact that having a grandchild could be personally fulfilling to Hillary and Bill (mazel tov, by the way), or that a cute baby would be a sweet cherry on top of Hillary’s already

Glen Campbell has been
moved into a facility

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People Magazine, by Gilliam Telling    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 4/17/2014 6:58:48 PM     Post Reply
Glen Campbell has been suffering from Alzheimer´s for over three years, but the Grammy-winning singer, 78, has recently moved into a facility, PEOPLE has confirmed. "He was moved to an Alzhemier´s facility last week," says a family friend. "I´m not sure what the permanent plan is for him yet. We´ll know more next week." The "Rhinestone Cowboy" crooner first opened up about having Alzheimer´s to PEOPLE in an exclusive 2011 interview. Campbell and his fourth wife, Kim Woolen, decided to go public with the news because Campbell hoped to embark on a final farewell live tour. The couple wanted his

Even Hillary Clinton Isn’t Sure What
We Should Like About Hillary Clinton

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PJ Media, by Stephen Kruiser    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:33:53 AM     Post Reply
The first step is admitting… It was a simple question to someone accustomed to much tougher ones: What was her proudest achievement as secretary of state? But for a moment, Hillary Rodham Clinton, appearing recently before a friendly audience at a women’s forum in Manhattan, seemed flustered.(Snip)So…no definitive successes and some clear-cut failures. And that’s the generous New York Times assessment. The Democrat fantasy story about Mrs. Clinton paints her as strong and accomplished on her own. In reality, this is a woman who is professionally defined almost entirely by two men in her life, both of whom happen to have

Those ‘rogue’ agents
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New York Post, by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:37:07 AM     Post Reply
Remember when Lois Lerner, in answering a planted question at an American Bar Association conference, admitted the IRS had targeted conservative groups but tried to pass it off as the work of rogue agents — “our line people in Cincinnati”? Today we know there were indeed federal agents involved. But they weren’t rogue, and they weren’t confined to IRS workers in Cincinnati. Thanks to a Freedom of Information request by Judicial Watch, we now have an e-mail Lerner sent to colleagues noting the Department of Justice was looking into criminal prosecutions of these tax-exempt groups. We know something else, too. These investigations


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