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The Scheme behind
the Obamacare Fraud

National Review Online, by Andrew C. McCarthy

Original Article

Posted By:StormCnter, 11/23/2013 4:43:43 AM

Fraud can be so brazen it takes people’s breath away. But for a prosecutor tasked with proving a swindle — or what federal law describes as a “scheme to defraud” — the crucial thing is not so much the fraud. It is the scheme. To be sure, it is the fraud — the individual false statements, sneaky omissions, and deceptive practices — that grabs our attention. As I’ve recounted in this space, President Obama repeatedly and emphatically vowed, “If you like your health-insurance plan, you can keep your health-insurance plan, period.” The incontrovertible record — disclosures by the Obama administration in


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Rinktum, 11/23/2013 5:17:28 AM     (No. 9626347)

Responsible people who have been paying attention already know what Obama´s scheme is. The question is can we stop the inevitable slide into single payer? Calling for repeal is not rational unless you can offer a workable plan in its place. The Republicans had better have a real alternative to solve the problems of our health care system. This seems to be fairly obvious but I have yet to see the Republicans offer a real free market based solution. They should, in the three years this mess has been going on, have had a plan all ready to go. Stepping up to offer a solution now would be well received because people do not like what Obama is forcing on them. Where are the strategists in the Republican Party? This is not rocket science. It is common sense. Offer something better and be willing to fight for it and to be heard. Why are Republicans hiding in the corner? There is more to politics than winning elections. How about this novel idea, save the country from Obama and the elections will take care of themselves.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Country Boy, 11/23/2013 6:18:54 AM     (No. 9626362)

#1, I don´t think it is that simple.

The true fix would be a mix that couldn´t be passed, including getting rid of most of the trial lawyers in America. The estimate is that defensive medicine costs $200 Billion/year, that means doctors padding their bills with stuff that only protects them from being sued. That´s a major reason why it´s not Affordable.

The fact is that Dems always come up with programs that allegedly get something for nothing. But it´s always a big lie. It is not the responsibility of conservatives to get something for nothing and make it work. And frankly it´s time for America (mostly LoFo´s) to stop thinking of Washington getting them something for nothing. Can´t be done.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Country Boy, 11/23/2013 6:32:06 AM     (No. 9626366)

Just to add to #2, if Dems were honest, they would simply announce a plan. We have 40 million insured, we a new Medicaid version 2.0, will cost $XXX Billions. Your taxes will go up. Vote for us, we are the party of compassion. And then they would go on to lose in the election.

But no, the Dems always run for election based on deceit. obamaCare was advertised as "revenue neutral", something for nothing. If you like what you have, you can keep it. The money will magically appear to fund obamaCare.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Deedo, 11/23/2013 6:58:48 AM     (No. 9626382)

After reading this fine but disturbing article, I would have to conclude that the inability to sign up for healthcare on the exchanges and the failed Web site was made intentionally.

As a hundred million families lose their healthcare with no way to afford or resign up for a viable replacement, Obama will create a crisis that should have the country begging for single payer if it will stop the pain.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: blueline, 11/23/2013 7:04:28 AM     (No. 9626386)

After generations were subjected to government school indoctrination, a stupefied electorate chose a Marxist, Statist Charleton as president. TWICE.
A truly stupid people cannot remain free.
It grieves me that my grandchildren will live their lives in chains because of the lofos who elected Obama and his minions.
May they reap the worst of the coming harvest.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: uno, 11/23/2013 7:04:56 AM     (No. 9626387)

Create chaos, division and discontent and point the finger of blame everywhere else.
Basic marxist divide and conquer strategy.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 11/23/2013 7:12:06 AM     (No. 9626391)

The "Free Market", by definition, does not require a government plan. This is a tar baby which should remain untouched until it fails of it´s own foolishness. We will be OK until Obama makes it illegal to pay cash for medical services. Watch for it.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: steveW, 11/23/2013 7:20:41 AM     (No. 9626402)

The only constitutional "alternative" to Obama´s Care is: government 100% out of health care, period. Problem is, the GOP is already too invested in and eager to defend Democrat statist schemes like Medicare (the Founders would have laughed then cried over such a statist usurpation of money and power) to make that argument. So they won´t, and can´t, until they get their premises back on track and out of the Left ditch.

Obama´s "transition" has always meant, nudge nudge wink wink, a transition to socialism. All the Democrats know this, all the Democrats wish it, fervently. It is (along with the longed-for crippling of American power and influence overseas) the very reason they put Lightbringer in the Oval Office. Just don´t say it out loud in case they get "offended".

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Reply 9 - Posted by: M2, 11/23/2013 7:22:44 AM     (No. 9626405)

One runs out of words describing this scheme. Sinister, duplicitous, heinous, dishonest, insidious and just plain evil. It is also cynical, relying on the stupidity of members of Congress and the media to go along with it. It appears the administration wasn´t wrong about either.

That is, Obamacare’s architects consciously created the incentive to destroy the program’s own insurance exchanges.

I don´t think anyone saw that coming, but maybe it´s just me.

By the time that problem erupts, private insurance will already be gutted. Coverage requirements will already be dictated by government, as will pricing, with a subsidy structure that builds in progressive wealth redistribution.

No wonder Obama had such a problem with Joe the Plumber. Joe threatened exposure. Whatever happened to Joe?

And doctors will already be beholden to government for patient access, treatment options, record-keeping requirements, and payment. That is, much of the single-payer infrastructure will be in place.

Unless this is reversed, repealed or halted indefinitely to give America time to dismantle it, we might as well just "take the pill".

OBAMA here: http://tiny.cc/2k4z6w ...

"I don’t think that we can make judgments based on peoples’ spirit,” Obama said. … “Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking painkillers.“

Obama has decided: We shouldn´t get the health care we want and need. We should get the care Obama & Michelle and the Democrat Party think we deserve.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Tianne, 11/23/2013 7:24:02 AM     (No. 9626410)

And like this article´s first sentence, "Fraud can be so brazen it takes people’s breath away", reading this definitive dissection of Obamacare also takes people´s breath away.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: M2, 11/23/2013 7:24:30 AM     (No. 9626411)

Sorry, italics should go off after the word, "painkillers".

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Reply 12 - Posted by: bubby, 11/23/2013 7:30:28 AM     (No. 9626415)

"“Grandfathering” is the mirage Obama projected for his illusory “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan” guarantee."

"You couldn’t keep your plan because Obamacare mandates made it impossible for private insurers to offer it. The mandates essentially require that everything and everyone be covered — even though you do not need coverage for everything (e.g., 23-year-old men do not need birth-control pills, neo-natal care, and periodic colonoscopies),"

Obamacare is the BIGGIST fraud in the history of mankind! The lo-fo voters are so ignorant they can´t see what the Democrats and msm have done to them so they believe it is the insurance companies doing all this. What we really need to compliment this fraud is for the GOP to pass amnesty in order to pay for obamacare as some Democrat Congressman said. The world is upside down good is evil, evil is good. It´s time for a revolution back to our Constitution but will anyone start it? We need a Concord bridge incident soon or it will be too late.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Poobah, 11/23/2013 7:32:57 AM     (No. 9626418)

FTA: "Obamacare cannot work if its targeted victims figure out the endgame before it is a fait accompli."

Our system of government has assigned to the press the role of watchdog. The press is supposed to shine the light of truth on schemes such as these and alert the people to the problem in time to take corrective action.

We need to impeach America´s media.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: dagger, 11/23/2013 7:55:45 AM     (No. 9626439)

The one ray of hope is that the website blowup and the policy cancellations caused shock waves
and fear to happen too sudden, and therefore the "incremental transition" did not take place
at the pace necessary for O and Dims not to get the blame for this disaster. The public was supposed to blame the mean old Ins. companies and try as he might O hasen´t gotten that done.

The people saw the lies and are starting to wake up. Hope it holds and we can stymie this thing in 2014.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: gone2pot, 11/23/2013 7:58:16 AM     (No. 9626443)

The public is too ignorant and disengaged to catch me, and the press is too deep in my pocket to raise alarms.

We´re just watching the slow motion splat as the nation finally hits the sidewalk after jumping from the 100 story building.

Like all swindles, Obamacare cannot work if its targeted victims figure out the endgame before it is a fait accompli.

Everyone has figured it out now, including many black Obama worshipers and they still could care less and MOST voters STILL rely and trust Obama to fix it.

But Obamacare is camouflaged to make it look like the insurers are deciding not to offer your plan anymore, rather than that the government is forcing their hand.

Jeepers Mr. Wilson, I wonder what the MSM, entertainment, news, sports, public and college education systems are making sure they blame the Obamacare disaster on. I wonder if most voters are buying it right now. Hmmm.

An unelected and unaccountable bureaucratic entity with nearly limitless power over federal Medicare spending, [it] will have the power to effectively ration health care through price controls

Wait until amnesty and TPP happens. You haven´t heard of the Trans-Pacific Partnership Trade Agreement yet? Oh, you will and it´ll make Obamacare look like free enterprise heaven in comparison.

That’s the scheme.

Wow Andy, Glenn Beck, Rush, ZeroHedge, et al ad infinitum didn´t lay out your article a million times since 2008. You are going into Howie Kurtz sleuth-dom and closing in on a Firm-Grasp-of-the-Obvious Award. NR is getting closer and closer to the Weekly Standard way by the minute. How proud you must be.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 11/23/2013 8:04:00 AM     (No. 9626450)

Dittos, #15. Some people won´t believe it until it appears in Solon or Variety.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Hermoine, 11/23/2013 8:43:24 AM     (No. 9626488)

Yep, end goal. . .single payer system.

We can lay down and let them roll over us or we can rise up in 2014. I don´t like being stepped on...so I plan to rise up.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 11/23/2013 8:43:28 AM     (No. 9626489)

E-fraudable Care Act!

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Black Knight, 11/23/2013 8:47:45 AM     (No. 9626492)

All Obama need do is bribe and - as necessary - intimidate the big insurance CEOs into playing ball and keeping their minions in line.

Same goes for the few board members who might resist.

Obamacare kickback subsidies, NSA spy troves and IRS predatory tactics have made this child´s play for the Community-Organizer Extortionist in Chief.

For other industries: Same game, different name.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Wetlandz, 11/23/2013 8:53:18 AM     (No. 9626498)

Discrediting Cruz, especially Fox News et al is another part of this deep tentacled fraud and so many are still asleep. If all republicans and libertarians don´t unite to defeat them we will lose 2014.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Leopardtwo, 11/23/2013 9:05:47 AM     (No. 9626506)

Bernie Madoff for Obamacare navigator! Release Bernie!

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Reply 22 - Posted by: bpl40, 11/23/2013 9:06:11 AM     (No. 9626507)

All the above ideas and solutions are worthy of consideration. But nothing will work unless we twist the Republican Party out of the grasp of Beltway RINO leadership, who are nothing but Democrat Lite. ´14 primaries is the place to start.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: losgatos, 11/23/2013 9:07:43 AM     (No. 9626508)

I´m not sure which is the biggest fraud. Obamacare or Obama.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: EnsignO, 11/23/2013 9:14:33 AM     (No. 9626516)

Like all swindles, Obamacare cannot work if its targeted victims figure out the endgame before it is a fait accompli.

Most of us have figured it out - now what are we going to do about it?

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Reply 25 - Posted by: 2dogs, 11/23/2013 9:21:49 AM     (No. 9626524)

Even though we already knew this (rush figured it out years ago) our stupid reps do NOT. Copy the link and mail it to ALL your reps and senators. I´m not sure if they are in on it or ignorant of it. I hate to think our party is part of this plan, but unless they ARE ignorant of it, they must want it, too. THAT´S scary!

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Reply 26 - Posted by: cobieone, 11/23/2013 9:22:00 AM     (No. 9626525)

This article definitely seems a little late to the party. Most thinking conservatives already figured this out a while back. But, still, well written for those with their heads up their backsides.

#20, THAT is our ONLY hope... Uniting to vote the dems out of power in 2014, and it still might be too late. We had our chance in 2012. Now we are living with that loss. If Romney had won, we would be dealing with repeal right now. Hopefully, the Republicans can win in 2014 and do something to stop this train wreck.

Like I said, it might be too late.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: nonsense, 11/23/2013 9:39:22 AM     (No. 9626541)

I do believe that one bubble has burst for the LoFoes, they really believed it was "Free" Healthcare.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: strike3, 11/23/2013 9:39:30 AM     (No. 9626542)

I have to conclude that the answer to #1´s question is that the traditional Republicans want single-payer also. They have done practically nothing to stop this abomination, knowing full well what obamacare was all about from the beginning. Thus, their silence and non-action.

Ted Cruz is a big thorn in the sides of both parties and we can only pray that there are enough leaders like him around to stop this scheme before the healthcare that we have been able to receive for the past half century is gone forever. Older doctors are retiring in droves. Younger doctors who owe hundreds of thousands in student loans will never receive enough income to repay them so they will simply quit and default. The alternative Plan A is cash-only medicine and you know that the government will do its best to put a stop to that because it´s not "fair.". Plan B is revolution.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: lasvegaslou, 11/23/2013 9:42:12 AM     (No. 9626546)

#3, there is no such thing as an "honest Dem," or an honest Republican, for that matter. The phrase "honest politician" is the original oxymoron. Politics by it´s very nature is dishonest.

Machiavelli published a book in the 16th Century named "The Prince." It´s the original handbook for politicians and it is amazing to read it today and see how crooked the world of politics was then. Our politicians today have had another 500+ years of practice to hone their trade. I think they may be more cunning, too.

If you are interested, you can download a free English translation of the book. Just google the name.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: coldborezero, 11/23/2013 9:42:56 AM     (No. 9626547)

#1, please do not think I am attacking you, but a couple of questions have been on my mind ever since Hillary attempted to take over health insurance in America back in the early ninties: What, precisely, ARE the "problems" with our medical care in this country? Why can´t the free market address these problems, if they do, indeed, exist? I have always, always received excellent medical care whenever necessary. I have had the same doctor for thirty years. Perhaps I have just been a "winner in the Lottery of Life". Any ldotters who can offer genuine answers to those questions will have my sincere appreciation.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: peterfleming, 11/23/2013 9:54:06 AM     (No. 9626559)

Andrew McCarthy has cut into the fraud with a knife.
Every family and friend, even your stupid commie friends, must read this brilliant breakdown of the total doom that is crashing down on us all.
Time to realize that all of Congress is allowing this to happen, the entire insurance industry has cowardly acceded to these communist driven dictates, not one teacher or professor has allowed the horrifying truth to be exposed in their millions of classrooms, all students are peasant-like, unquestioningly ignorant, and to top off this citizen crime, every smiling local news actor on every TV station in the country is dead to reality, just keeps the local audience happy, period. The final TV indoctrinating treachery is network and cable news.

Only one, single TV cable network has allowed Andrew Mc Carthy to speak, Fox News. Even though they allow
Commie socialists like Juan and Beckel to spout "balanced lies" on their panels, Fox is always plodding for the horrible truth of Stalinist totalitarianism !

Here we are, brilliantly described by McCarthy, being led by the nose to the painful, killing road to Stalinist Soviet
Full domination Communism, and even the articulate McCarthy doesn´t mention the word, Communist, once.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: MDConservative, 11/23/2013 10:06:48 AM     (No. 9626577)

On March 28, 1984, it all became very clear, although Americans are still in denial. Gov. Richard Lamm (D, of course - CO) told a meeting of the Colorado Health Lawyers Association that "You´ve got a duty to die and get out of the way. Let the other society, our kids, build a reasonable life."

That´s what this is all about, not the relative price of hamburger to t-bones, or the affordability of medical services. It´s about the growing costs of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Who´s going to pay for all these "liabilities" in the future? The money has already been "invested" in government debt, and real cash has to be rounded up. Longevity is very expensive.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: F16 guy, 11/23/2013 10:09:13 AM     (No. 9626583)

England received nationalized health care in 1948.

65 years later, they are just starting to realized the error of their ways.

We are doomed to follow this path, and as long as the dumb masses remain distracted with American Idol, Lady Gaga, and the lives of celebrities, there is little chance of stopping this snowball.

Our conservative leaders are anything but...

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Arby, 11/23/2013 10:13:57 AM     (No. 9626590)

The fraud is real and so is the cure: the 2014 and 2016 ballot box.

I have staked out my position for years: I´ll vote for anyone who can beat the dims, including Beelzebub.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: janjan, 11/23/2013 10:28:52 AM     (No. 9626614)

The problem with the Republicans is that they have let the liberals convince them that health care needs a government ´solution.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: gramma b, 11/23/2013 10:46:35 AM     (No. 9626627)

#1, I think it is a mistake to refer to what we have as a health care "system." That implies something unitary -- centrally planned. What we have for the most part is free people offering health care services and other free people buying it. Still other free people offer insurance services that people can choose to buy -- or not. Sure, the government has intruded, causing distortion in the health care market wherever it has. But, by and large, we don´t have a "system" and we should not refer to it as such. Doing so concedes ground to the statists. We have a health care market.

The Republicans understand that. That is why they keep proposing things to let the market work more efficiently, but which do not convert our market into a "system."

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Reply 37 - Posted by: jglas, 11/23/2013 10:50:02 AM     (No. 9626631)

I´m hoping this scheme blows up too fast. I get the impression it was planned to come apart slowly thus Obama`s suggestion it might take 15-20 years to get to single payer. If it falls apart right now and they try to flip us into single payer I doubt it will work. That´s too fast of an obvious transition into socialism and we´re too close (like a couple of years ago) to a time when we had a free market medical system that everyone recognized as the best system in the world and the only people complaining were lefties who claimed medical care is a right and some people didn´t have insurance. Now that we´re getting a taste of what it means to make medical care a right (other people have to be deprived of their rights and their property and everyone loses a lot of their freedom) we likely will reject socialized medicine. I´m not so sure that if they do the frog in warm water thing turning up the heat gradually that the scheme won´t work.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: 51cruzer, 11/23/2013 10:50:43 AM     (No. 9626633)

I am wondering if you do get a plan and your circumstances change can you cancel and what happens to all the personal info they have collected? Hmmmm?

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Reply 39 - Posted by: fed-up, 11/23/2013 10:58:09 AM     (No. 9626643)

OK.. we know the problem.. we know the "scheme". Now what?? there had to be someone in this country that knows a way out of this without having a single payer system and O getting his way. Destroying the current insurance companies were part of the plan. BUT what is to keep other companies from starting to be Health insurance companies? Surely if State Farm can go from cars to life insurance, etc.. there is someone that can help those types of companies to expand their knowledge to those areas as well?? anyone know ???

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Reply 40 - Posted by: NotaBene, 11/23/2013 11:06:30 AM     (No. 9626654)

What I learned from this article is that the Democrat´s Death Panel will be immensely powerful to dispense government Euthanasia. (Sarah Palin is a lynx that sees further than other people.)

The elimination of the filibuster allows BHO to nominate pure breed Communists.

What the article fails to explain is that this unjust law has been imposed for the future votes of Illegal Aliens.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: steph_gray, 11/23/2013 11:12:02 AM     (No. 9626658)

#1 not very long ago an ldotter posted "health care reform in 25 words." I wish I had kept a copy! Perhaps someone else has. It was a simple little list of the obvious ways to stop government distortion of the free market we used to have: tort reform, health savings accounts, and removing barriers to selling insurance across state lines being the big three.

Many Republican voices have continually brought these up over the years of oppression we´ve had. When our freedom returns these ideas will finally come to fruition. And I agree totally with #30 - we should not be starting from a position that the health care market we had until ObamaCare was bad. That´s a socialist trick.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: chicodon, 11/23/2013 11:34:50 AM     (No. 9626679)

This is pretty much the scheme I have seen as well. Start with the desired result (single payer) and work backwards. It´s a chess game. I also agree that the end argument will be to simplify everything by having (forcing) everyone to pay for it through their taxes.

We´ve been well on our way to single payer, via Fabian Socialism, for some time. We have groups on the periphery already covered. We have the young (CHIP), the old (Medicare), the poor (Medicaid) and veterans (VA). That leaves only the chunk in the middle that still needs to "transition".

Obamacare vastly increases the Medicaid numbers by redefining who is poor. His Navigators are out in ObamaPhone country enrolling them now. So the group in the middle gets even smaller and the scheme needs only to target who´s left. Unfortunately, I´d say they´re pretty much on track.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: Hermit_Crab, 11/23/2013 11:50:34 AM     (No. 9626696)

I like Mr. McCarthy, but he is late to the party.

There are many of us ´mere peasants´ commenting at Lucianne, Hot Air, Free Republic etc. who have been beating this drum; predicting almost precisely what this article and reality reflect now, since- not when the bill was passed, but before that, when 0bama was campaigning for it.

If we mere peasants could see and understand this, why could not those with a big microphone and antenna; Those who buy ink by the barrel, and those great men and women whom we elect to represent us in Congress see this?
(That was a Rhetorical Question)

The USA deserves this debacle.

Anyone with two brain cells rubbing together, who could take their eyes off of "American Idol" and the Kardashians long enough to observe that which was there for anyone with eyes to see or ears to hear could have understood what was coming.

But no, those of us who told the rest of you what to expect were branded as whacko birds, as tin-hatters, as evil greedy bumpkins who don´t want people to have health care... and even as racists.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: Me?Opinionated?Nah!, 11/23/2013 11:54:58 AM     (No. 9626700)

Obama This. Obama That. Everything about him is fraudulent. Period. Exclamation Point!

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Reply 45 - Posted by: Butch59, 11/23/2013 12:03:17 PM     (No. 9626712)

A very real problem facing anyone that wants to stop the slide to socialist medicine is the simple fact that there are at least (probably more) 40% of the population that will think that that is a great thing. "Just think! No more worries about getting health care or paying for it. The government is going to take care of everything. And it won´t cost me a dime"./s Sadly, there are a lot of people that don´t have the capacity to think of the future or understand what is happening. They only think about today.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: fayebeck, 11/23/2013 12:04:07 PM     (No. 9626713)

Amen #30. The problem with healthcare insurance is the government screwing with it. A Republican alternative? Why and what for? Anyone but me remember medical insurance before Medicare? Company provided and cheap. Then comes the Great Society´s Medicare and the rise in costs hasn´t stopped yet. Remember everything the government touches turns to dookie.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 11/23/2013 12:08:48 PM     (No. 9626718)

I disagree with No. 1. The Republicans do not have to have a full fleged plan, or any plan, in order to call for repeal of something so harmful, so destructive and dangerous as Obamacare. Just getting rid of it would be a huge improvement in our situation. First, its harm would be stopped beforfe it goes any further. Second, without the heavy hand of Obamacare the free enterprise system can begin to operate again.

I also do not agree that what we had was so bad it had to be dealt with. The needy were taken care of. The young were free to take advantage of good health to get a financial start in their careers. Health is truly wealth, but not the way Obama is going about it. College loans are a terribe mistake but Obamacare is the final financial blow to any hope for the young to aquire any wealth or even financial stability.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 11/23/2013 12:20:21 PM     (No. 9626730)

Remember Donald Berwick? You can read about him at:


Here´s an important quote from the above link:

Berwick has called Britain’s National Health Service “one of the greatest health care institutions in human history” and “a global treasure.” He once said it sets an “example” for the United States to follow.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnel (R-KY) wasted no time dusting off the Republicans’ trusty formula that British health care = socialized medicine = rationing:

“Now our predictions are coming true and President Obama’s CMS nominee Dr. Berwick will be the man who cuts health care costs by putting the rationing plans into practice.”

"CMS," Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, is the new name for the Health Care Financing Administration (HCFA). Berwick, a recess appointment, eventually stepped down but during his one-year-plus tenure he trained his deputy to replace him.

The Repubs had the right idea about quoting Berwick but didn´t push it hard enough. If we would all research quotes from Berwick about the British National Health Service (NHS) and its National Institute for Clinical Excellence (NICE) (which governs rationing and death "pathways") and then place each one of those quotes alongside a related scandal in the NHS (keep it as short as possible), it just might bolster the discussions we have with people who blithely trill along, not realizing the full implications of what´s happening.

You might like to start your research with the fact that the Labour plan to cut costs by introducing unisex wards is still being practiced in some facilities. Another excellent argument is one I frequently use: women are not allowed a Pap smear under the NHS system until they are 25--or already showing symptoms of cervical cancer. Try the British papers to source NHS/NICE scandals.

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Reply 49 - Posted by: Hermit_Crab, 11/23/2013 12:33:57 PM     (No. 9626747)

I didn´t read comments until after posting. I wasn´t copying, honest.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: dman, 11/23/2013 12:38:08 PM     (No. 9626758)

What #15 posted.

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Reply 51 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 11/23/2013 12:39:16 PM     (No. 9626760)

Sorry for an additional post--but the majority of people will be appalled to find out that crowded wards with little or no privacy and lots of noise are the norm under a universal health care system. Following is a link to a BBC news story on NHS costs--but pay attention to the shots of the ward behind the reporter. The beginning and end bits show how crowded they are. You can forget about semi-private and private rooms unless you want to pay a huge amount of what´s left of your income. And, even then, they may not be available at all under Obamacare.


And don´t miss this 2012 article:

"Mixed-sex wards need to be phased out, says Wells"


Related articles are listed as:

Mixed sex ward fine for hospital, 24 AUGUST 2011, SOMERSET
End to mixed sex ´wards´ promised, 16 AUGUST 2010, HEALTH
Q&A: Mixed-sex wards, 16 AUGUST 2010, HEALTH

Just the two main articles ought to open the eyes of a good many people.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: WindRider, 11/23/2013 1:17:58 PM     (No. 9626803)

The inimitable Bill Whittle, appearing as our Virtual President, lays out a straightforward alternative to Dear Leader´s power grab:


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Reply 53 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 11/23/2013 1:26:49 PM     (No. 9626811)

Great article. We do need the informative side of articles like this, but we also need to cast light on the question of why the republican leadership is not fighting harder - especially on something as disastrous as ObamaCare. We know the bad guys are going to do bad things, what seems queer is the lack of a cohesive, constructive, viable opposition from the republican leadership to the dems and Obama in particular - well that and the republican leaderships´ raging battle against those who do fight for our cause.

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Reply 54 - Posted by: Quigley, 11/23/2013 1:36:42 PM     (No. 9626821)

I think the most interesting sentence in the article was that coverage of pre-existing conditions is not "insurance" (pooling of risk) but rather welfare.

I don´t think the dims can build the single payer infrastructure fast enough to stay ahead of the political fallout. Their mismanagement of the process has the LoFos concerned about their bread and circuses. And it isn´t 1950 and I don´t think that model and modern treatment practices can coexist, ergo interruption of bread and circuses ergo poltical failure.

Haha dumbo!

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Reply 55 - Posted by: busterman, 11/23/2013 1:37:06 PM     (No. 9626822)

Here´s my take on why a majority of the Republicans aren´t doing anything about this:

They stand to make A LOT of money in the investment world by either buying certain stocks now or selling/shorting other stocks in the near future that even remotely deals with healthcare or insurance. That is the other scheme not even being addressed.

Oh and Democrats are all in on this as well. I was just pointing out our RINO´s part in this scheme.

It´s all about the money. They´re in Congress. They´re exempt from all of this. They make their money. They continue to live easy.

Get rid of ALL of them. Get rid of their retirements (including those who are currently retired) and all perquisites. They deserve nothing.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: loveUSA, 11/23/2013 3:13:51 PM     (No. 9626912)

We see 666 coming soon...can´t buy or sell without the mark of the beast.

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Reply 57 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 11/23/2013 3:21:38 PM     (No. 9626922)

It will never work. We´re not proletariat class people in this country. Sure we have the 15% Obama voter LoFos, but they don´t run things. Also, because of our free-market, we already have plenty of alternative, "Concierge Medicine" plans emerging which will offer quality healthcare at affordable prices to young and old alike.

The Illuminati of Liberals in their Ivory Towers can never calculate everything into their plans, since they know nothing of the average fellow. Hence, they merely dig their own tiger trap into which they will eventually be caught.

Obamacare will do incalculable damage to the nation´s economy and to the lives of many families, but it has done far worse damage to the plans of "statism" per the Democrat Party Marxist-wing, in fact, they may have forever crippled the Democrat "brand" to the point of extinction. Average people are genuinely not happy about this, and will always think twice before ever again pulling the lever for a Democrat.

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Reply 58 - Posted by: ArtieC, 11/23/2013 9:00:17 PM     (No. 9627129)

Number 2 talked about trial lawyers. On late night tv commercials for personal injury lawyers against doctors, drugs, drug companies, appliances such as artificial knees and hips, are thicker than ants on a sugar cube. I have been convinced for a very long time a large part of medical expenses are because of ambulance chasers like these. John Edwards not excepted.

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