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The King David You Never Knew
Daily Beast, by Joel Baden

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Posted By:StormCnter, 10/27/2013 8:06:43 AM

Whether as the brave youth striding forward to face the giant Goliath, the wise older king composing the immortal Psalms, or the ancestor and model for the messiah, the legend of David has been recited and burnished for nearly three thousand years. Politically, ethnically, religiously—David is central to the story Jews and Christians tell about themselves. This is, after all, the king against which all other kings were measured, the ancestor of Jesus, the person described by God as “a man after my own heart.” Even in his failings—the affair with Bathsheba, most famously—David has become the prototype of repentance and


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Michaelus, 10/27/2013 8:11:35 AM     (No. 9584414)

I find it really humorous when people who despise scripture use that same scripture to try to shock me. Guess what - we have read the Bible so you are not going to surprise us with this stuff.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: msjena, 10/27/2013 8:17:34 AM     (No. 9584425)

The Bible doesn´t say David wrote all of the Psalms. Some were written by Solomon and some are anonymous.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: StormCnter, 10/27/2013 8:18:45 AM     (No. 9584427)

#1, did you read the article? The writer, Joel Baden, is an Old Testament professor at Yale Divinity School. I´m no theologian, perhaps you are, but I thought the article was interesting and didn´t get any feeling that the writer "despises Scripture", but that he wanted us to think about King David being much more than our perception.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: BarryNo, 10/27/2013 8:21:47 AM     (No. 9584430)

Did the idiot ever consider that the Goliath David killed as a youth, while serving in the army of King Saul, and the Goliath killed later, during his reign as King David, were two separate individuals?

And that´s simply MY starting point. Old, rather easily refutable arguments once again dusted off in an attempt to refute Biblical history - and yes, Joel, it is history. So is most of the stuff taught in schools both before and after Liberal revisions as history tends to reflect what the writer ´believes´.

Simply put, your faith is not my faith, Joel.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: walcb, 10/27/2013 8:26:36 AM     (No. 9584440)

I would like to see the author do a similar analysis of Muhommad.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 10/27/2013 8:28:59 AM     (No. 9584442)

The Almighty is glad you agree with some of The Book although he doesn´t need YOUR verification. FTA: ´´What does it mean for us to ascribe legendary status to a man who falls into the categories of murderer, traitor, and usurper?´´ I´ve just got to know; did Joel Baden vote for OBAMA? Should we fall for every word that falls from a professor´s lips?

Wouldst that thou shouldst biteth me, thou prevaricator!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: ruready?, 10/27/2013 8:32:27 AM     (No. 9584447)

FTA "The Bible, after all, isn’t a historical document—the modern notion of objective history writing was invented only recently."

So wearisome. Do you ever undermine the Koran? No. But you have no problem posing as someone that believes that ´For ever O´Lord Thy Word is settled in heaven´.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: RCFlyer98, 10/27/2013 8:35:14 AM     (No. 9584452)

I agree #1. I have read the Bible, and I will believe and trust what it says, much more than what this "nobody" Joel Baden says or writes. I find it very interesting to read Baden´s words, "A nobody rises to power from a no-place town to become the leader of a nation", all paraphrased. Hmmm . . . sound familiar?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: EnsignO, 10/27/2013 8:42:32 AM     (No. 9584458)

...how does someone become king when he’s a complete nobody,...

When I read the above, I thought the author was going to compare King David´s unlikely rise to power to that of our very own king Barry.

Re-read some of the paragraphs and substitute Barry for David. I hope that Barry´s only legend after January 20, 2017, will be that of ignominy. If we survive as a nation that long, I hope Barry´s reign of terror that he has brought on America will be over and America will vow to never, never let someone come to power again without vetting the h@!! out of him. Supreme Court, are you listening?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 10/27/2013 8:47:19 AM     (No. 9584470)

Sorry #3, but that fact about Baden means next to nothing for me. Most of the prophets and the Apostles were ´nobodies´ that God used to spread His word. God looks on our ´inner man´ not the outer shell. Which is corruptible.

King David´s heart was right with God, and that is what was important to God. If memory serves, David only wrote about 1/3 of the book of Psalms. The rest were written by other authors.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Jakester2344, 10/27/2013 8:56:30 AM     (No. 9584485)

God uses the lowly to humble the proud and bring glory to himself. There are many examples i.e. Gideon where the odds are overwhelmingly against them but they overcome because God gives them the victory. It is not by self effort we are saved it is by God´s grace.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: alaskaal, 10/27/2013 9:00:22 AM     (No. 9584490)

Yale Divinity School...now there´s an oxymoron.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Minuteman, 10/27/2013 9:22:07 AM     (No. 9584511)

The author uses facts taken from the Bible and puts his post modern spin on them to try to call into question other facts presented in the Bible. Isn´t that convenient.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: StormCnter, 10/27/2013 9:31:45 AM     (No. 9584526)

Ok, I defer to those posters who are better equipped. My Scripture knowledge has been filtered through life-long Southern Baptist exposure and a childhood fascination with Hurlbut´s. I don´t defend Yale Divinity School. I merely posted that information as a base for identifying the author. Really, I thought the article was interesting. I am pretty sure I don´t know all there is to learn about David the boy and David the king.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Wrightwinger, 10/27/2013 9:34:17 AM     (No. 9584531)

Let´s see, who has more credibility, a so-called scholar from an Ivy League divinity school who may, or may not believe in his Creator, who has a vested interest in writing about a New David ( or a Marxist Jesus ), who wants notice to gain academic standing? Or perhaps the story told in a document that has stood the test of time for millennia, whom many millions, nay, many billions, believe to be a Holy Scripture from The Lord himself. Kind of simplifies things, doesn´t it?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mre, 10/27/2013 9:45:01 AM     (No. 9584548)

Why I hate fundamentalism, after having spent way too many years in its mental environs.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Jennie C., 10/27/2013 10:00:20 AM     (No. 9584573)

FTA: But how does someone become king when he’s a complete nobody, from a backwater town in a backwater province, and when, most importantly, he’s not even remotely part of the royal line?

What royal line? Saul was the first king that Israel had. He was from the tribe of Benjamin.

Abraham said, "The sceptre will not depart from Judah." If anything, David was "the royal line."

How Saul became king is just an instance of God´s sovereignty.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Jennie C., 10/27/2013 10:05:27 AM     (No. 9584580)

I just looked up this Elhanan guy whom the article states killed Goliath.

2 Samuel 21:19 and 1 Chronicles 20:5 both clearly state that Elhanan killed Lahmi, the brother of Goliath.

If I can find that in 30 seconds, why can´t this Yalie "theologian" figure it out?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: happy conservative, 10/27/2013 10:29:40 AM     (No. 9584622)

"The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8

Joel, your word, fame, will last about 15 minutes. Your scholars are like the prophets of Baal who slashed themselves trying to best Elijah.

I don´t want to be standing next to you or them on Judgment Day.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 10/27/2013 11:28:27 AM     (No. 9584704)

... and post 18´s torpedo hits amidships, below the water line.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 10/27/2013 12:44:42 PM     (No. 9584782)

I don´t like to post on religious articles. Neither the unbelievers nor the fun damn mentalists manage to impress me with their wit and wisdom.

However, I just have to say this is possibly the single most twisted article I have ever read. I am not at all surprised to learn the author is from Yale Divinity School.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: retCPO, 10/27/2013 1:35:28 PM     (No. 9584829)

I believe that most Christians are aware that King David did some pretty awful things. It is hardly hidden that amongst other dastardly deeds he pretty much killed Bathsheba´s husband in his lust for her.

God chose David regardless of these transgressions and for reason unfathomable to us. I personally take some hope that you do not have to be pefect to be acceptable to our Creator, Which is precisely what Jesus came to tell us.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: skywarrior, 10/27/2013 1:39:25 PM     (No. 9584835)

FTA: "David made Jerusalem into a national and religious center, as tradition holds. But he didn’t build it from the ground up; he took it, displacing its ancient native inhabitants. "

The Yale Theologian is also subtly arguing the case that Jerusalem "belongs" to the "Palestinians", not the Jews. Bunkum.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: hoosiergirl71, 10/27/2013 2:02:57 PM     (No. 9584856)

This is the kind of revisionist drivel that our youth must hear when they go away to college. The positive side is that it makes young Christians search, exam and truly decide to believe in their parents´ faith. After all, God has no grandchildren.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: An Afternoon Walk, 10/27/2013 3:17:38 PM     (No. 9584936)

Read the entire article, and it seems to me poorly written as far as theology and knowledge of the Bible, and not scholarly at all.

Just a word on one of the many twisted assertions, his mentioning the "unorthodox" relationship with Jonathan, as if implying it were an improper or homosexual one.

King Saul wanted to make David his son, his heir, to make David´s victory over Goliath his own. He tried to get David to wear his, the king´s, armour beforehand. Then when David came before him after killing Goliath, Saul asks him whose son he is, as in "Whose son are you (now)?" meaning, all David has to do is say his only father is King Saul and pledge allegiance to the earthly king instead of his real father Jesse (and most importantly, his heavenly father, God) and the king will make David, popular with the people, his heir and his possession.

Instead, David rejects Saul´s fathership and says, My father is the lowly shepherd of Bethlehem (God, Jesus), Jesse.

Note the very next verse, Saul bans David from ever going back to his father Jesse´s house again.

Also note Jonathan has heard all this, David had the chance to usurp Jonathan´s position and he didn´t. Jonathan finally found someone he could trust even more than his own father. Therefore, the strong bond. Jonathan also knew it was God´s will that David should someday be king. It was David´s integrity that Jonathan loved and why he gave his princely garments to him.

There is so much more, but calling it "unorthodox" hinting at something that is less than honourable, shows an attempt to mislead and deceive.

He does this all though the piece. Notice he doesn´t back up anything he says.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: columba, 10/27/2013 4:28:45 PM     (No. 9584993)

Facts are facts, and values are values. The current generation was brought up with facts. I think that they need some values. Scripture teaches values.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Italiano, 10/27/2013 4:43:05 PM     (No. 9585001)

Who to believe, 2 Timothy 16 or Joel Baden?

As for me and my house....

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Italiano, 10/27/2013 4:47:22 PM     (No. 9585006)

2 Timothy 3:16.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 10/27/2013 4:50:04 PM     (No. 9585009)

Lemme see, the God breathed Word through the inspired writings of men guided by Almighty God our Creator, or the Baden breathed word, which basically calls God a liar, written to hawk an error filled book contradicting Holy Scripture and published in the appropriately named for such tripe - Daily Beast - whom to believe???

Associate Professor of Old Testament at Yale Divinity School is a pretty lofty position, but it doesn´t come close to measuring up to the one and only omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, great and holy I AM.

I´ll follow the apostle Paul´s advice to Timothy and ´shun the profane and vain babblings´ of the "learned" Associate Professor. I believe the One who has the words of Eternal Life.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: kOok, 10/27/2013 9:34:14 PM     (No. 9585284)

Worthless trash like ´professor´ Baden have been lying to elevate their positions in this world and make money off the scriptures since time began. I would rather be the lowest and poorest servant of God than to enjoy the riches of this world and the praise of men.

Mr. Baden, let me know how your philosophy works out for you in, say, a hundred years or so. In the mean time enjoy your worldly riches.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Question_Assumptions, 10/28/2013 5:58:51 PM     (No. 9586596)

What makes the Bible plausible as true history rather than myth is that so many of the individuals are presented warts and all rather than as the perfect icons that one finds in mythology. And it is telling that those parts of myth that are likely historically accurate such as the Illiad also portray the characteracts warts and all.

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Recently elected Democratic Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe is warning that global warming could raise sea levels high enough to flood the Hampton Roads region, home to the world´s largest naval base, without immediate and “smart decisions.” Addressing an environmental summit this week at the Virginia Military Institute in Lexington, Va., McAuliffe embraced climate change, blamed humans for causing it, and said action is needed now to protect Virginia´s coast from rising ocean levels that will result from global warming. “The first big decision of course is to accept that climate change is real,” he told the group. “I happen to believe in

Democrat Elijah Cummings Faces
Up to Five Years in Federal Prison

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Gateway Pundit, by Jim Hoft    Original Article
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Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) could face up to five years in federal prison for obstructing a Congressional proceeding. On Wednesday, Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) and five Subcommittee Chairmen on the committee sent a letter to Ranking Member Cummings demanding an explanation for his staff’s queries from the IRS, why the Minority hid these efforts from the Majority, and why the Ranking Member denied such actions by his staff at a February Subcommittee hearing: “Although you have previously denied that your staff made inquiries to the IRS about conservative organization True the Vote that may have led to additional

Stephen Colbert to replace Letterman
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Entertainment Magazine, by James Hibbard    Original Article
Posted By: drive- 4/10/2014 12:10:39 PM     Post Reply
Official: Stephen Colbert is the new host of CBS’ Late Show. Release: The CBS Television Network today announced that Stephen Colbert, the host, writer and executive producer of the Emmy and Peabody Award-winning “The Colbert Report,” will succeed David Letterman as the host of THE LATE SHOW, effective when Mr. Letterman retires from the broadcast. The five-year agreement between CBS and Colbert was announced by Leslie Moonves, President and CEO, CBS Corporation, and Nina Tassler, Chairman of CBS Entertainment. Letterman, the legendary, critically acclaimed host of the CBS late night series for 21 years, announced his retirement on his April 3 broadcast. Colbert’s

Global solar dominance in sight
as science trumps fossil fuels

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Telegraph [UK], by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard    Original Article
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Solar power has won the global argument. Photovoltaic energy is already so cheap that it competes with oil, diesel and liquefied natural gas in much of Asia without subsidies. Roughly 29pc of electricity capacity added in America last year came from solar, rising to 100pc even in Massachusetts and Vermont.[Snip] The technology is improving so fast--helped by the US military--that it has achieved a virtous circle. Michael Parker and Flora Chang, at Sanford Bernstein, say we entering a new order of "global energy deflation" that must ineluctably erode the viability of oil, gas and the fossil fuel nexus over time.

The IRS Scandal Comes Into Focus
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Wall Street Journal, by Kimberley A. Strassel    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/11/2014 6:33:53 AM     Post Reply
Nearly a year into the IRS scandal, we still don´t know exactly what happened—though we are finally getting an inkling. That´s thanks to the letter House Ways and Means Chairman Dave Camp sent this week to the Justice Department recommending a criminal probe of Lois Lerner. The average citizen might be dizzied by the torrent of confusing terms—BOLO lists, Tigta, 501(c)(4)—and the array of accusations that have made up this IRS investigation. Mr. Camp´s letter takes a step back to remind us why this matters, even as it provides compelling new information that goes to motive and method—and clarifies some of

Jeb Bush defends ‘act of love’
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Politico, by Maggie Haberman    Original Article
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STAMFORD, Conn. — Jeb Bush defended his controversial comments about immigration reform, insisting they were nothing new for him and urging “sensitivity to the immigrant experience.” At a Connecticut Republican party dinner Thursday night, the former Republican governor of Florida did not repeat his remarks from last weekend at his father’s presidential library, when he said that people who come to the United States illegally in search of a better life for their children “broke the law, but it’s not a felony. It’s an act of love.” This time the potential 2016 candidate put it differently. “To be young and

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