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Obamacare is in Crisis Now.
Right Now.

Daily Caller, by Mickey Kaus

Original Article

Posted By:FlyRight, 10/16/2013 6:40:25 AM

Psst. Anic-Pay! Bloomberg‘s Megan McArdle (who has been on an incredible roll lately**) takes issue with the idea that the Obama administration needn’t panic about Obamacare, as long as it can get its glitch-plagued health care exchanges up and running by the end of the year. Wrong, she suggests. It’s time to panic. Now. Why? Because the exchanges are the way to sign up young, healthy people and prevent the fabled “death spiral,” in which only older, sicker people sign up for insurance, causing rates to rise and healthier people to drop out, causing rates to rise even more, etc.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: ruready?, 10/16/2013 7:23:11 AM     (No. 9567183)

FTA: "If Republicans can keep the shutdown going*** for another month, will they get what they want — a delay in Obamacare — in a way that makes it look as if they had wrested it from Obama?"

Do it. I love Louis Gohmert´s comment last night to Megyn when she asked him why does he keep fighting this battle that he can´t win. Louis said, "There is not statue of limitations on doing what´s right". Now that is what I´m looking for in a representative. Having done all to stand, Stand therefore!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 10/16/2013 7:24:50 AM     (No. 9567189)

$12K deductibles? Do they really think young people are going to go for that? They may be LoFos, but they aren´t stupid. Let the death spiral begin!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Poobah, 10/16/2013 7:31:01 AM     (No. 9567196)

This article is a mess but it has one great line. It suggests that the Democrats may “spend 2014 circling the drain in the spiral of doom.”

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Reply 4 - Posted by: M2, 10/16/2013 7:42:56 AM     (No. 9567210)

Not exactly the most engaging column I´ve read and certainly not the most cohesive.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: PChristopher, 10/16/2013 7:51:14 AM     (No. 9567227)

#2...I´m guessing most LoFo voters can barely SPELL deductible let alone realize what it means.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Dreadnought, 10/16/2013 8:03:11 AM     (No. 9567248)

Young people won’t make the effort to look up insurance companies on their own when they don’t really care that much about getting insurance anyway. They won’t try 50 times to use a balky web site.

And they won´t use the phone to make the call. Phones are for texting.

(Texting is the ideal way to receive an insurance quote. Fast. To the point. Deliberately unworkable in the obamacare universe.)

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Reply 7 - Posted by: MOBeef4u, 10/16/2013 8:04:36 AM     (No. 9567251)

Ironically, a system requiring a high (a relative term) deductible would be a good thing in that it would bring health insurance back in line with other types of insurance. You pay for the small stuff, insurance would cover the big stuff. People would become better consumers of health care and bring competition into the system. That´s what HSAs do. Of course, that would give consumers way too much power and control over their own lives which is unacceptable to the great and powerful.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Bohallx, 10/16/2013 8:22:19 AM     (No. 9567277)

The young men making $20 per hour or less, part time, know that a $12,000 deductible means NO INSURANCE.

It´s actually cheaper for them to not sign up, nor to file the ObamaKKKare Jizya tax ~ just let IRS try to tap their refund then file a preprinted pro se suit against IRS ~ in their federal district court.

Just a million young men doing that should very well collapse the federal courts. They usually only handle 1/2 million legal items per year ~ and that´s for the whole system!

Some public spirited lawyer should be writing that filing up right now, along with one to the TAX COURT just in case ~ that´s an IRS agency and it works under the dictates of administrative due process plus some fancy pants judge stuff thrown in to impress the goobers.

This approach to dealing with abusive laws is rather like the 3D firearms ~ you make your design, you test it ~ put it out there and it´ll go viral in minutes. Whether or not it can stand off an army or sway a thousand judges is irrelevant. If you got it you got it, and they don´t know it.

Regarding judges, their docket clerks should have something to say ~ this is a way to clog the courts with paper. Even if they demanded internet filing none of them have the computer capacity to handle these filings ~ just like HHS can´t even handle applications.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Distorted, 10/16/2013 8:33:37 AM     (No. 9567302)

The article goes on to consider the "death spiral" flowing from a dysfunctional signup process and resulting certain rising insurance rates because of low rates of healthy young premium payers enrolling. It does not carry on to the next level to discuss that the inevitable bankruptcy of the insurance industry burdened with policies it cannot sell and costs it must pay is the desired result and plan of the Obama singe-payer faction waiting to pick up the pieces by the exact same incompetents who created the problem in the first place. They must destroy before they can replace.

Some people still think this is a screwup and not part of the plan.
No one at the top can be that stupid or incompetent.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: enuf8, 10/16/2013 8:34:13 AM     (No. 9567304)

What all obamacare boils down towards is covering catastrophic coverage. With annual premiums for young and healthy subscribers anywhere from 4K to 8K and deductibles of up to 10-12, you are almost self-ensuring.
There are a lot of lofo´s who don´t understand the deductible. One frequent Palin bashing poster/pro obama thought the gov´t was going to pay the "deductible" part of the coverage. Several of the lofo´s joined in believing the same. These had to be the Cyber Warriors for obama being paid by OFA.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: stryker714, 10/16/2013 9:12:28 AM     (No. 9567361)

Completely disagree #9.In your last paragraph are we talking about the same administration? You can´t really believe that re the Obama administration/Sebelius.

Well all you single payer theorists need to reanalyze your position.:How would this broken ACA website drive insurance companies out of business if they are diversified in other markets? So what you saying is Obama is going to betray his team so that he can go solo? Really? Well promise you if that is the intention the Obama admin will screw that up too. Look at the comment on the other story re Obama and his Illinois park project. He might be engaging in a kind of theft by conversion on a grand scale.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Msctex1, 10/16/2013 9:37:54 AM     (No. 9567400)

There is a reason people were allowed to believe for so long that this farce would be free. Any remotely responsible, non-corrupt person involved in an enterprise of such import would make certain the truth were known, regarding every aspect, because -- and this is the scary part -- they would actually believe it would do good in the end. We have experienced the opposite, with mistaken assumptions and outright disinformation used to prop up a falsehood for as long as it could be supported. They knew it would fail. This is all about single-payer, and the destruction of the insurance system as we know it, and subsequent Governmental control of our lives. And it always has been.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Avogadra, 10/16/2013 9:47:49 AM     (No. 9567413)

I agree with #11. Single payer is guaranteed insurance coverage, not quality medical care. And if Americans won´t accept Obamacare, they certainly will not roll over and accept the type of "service" provided by an entity like the NHS in Great Britain. We see the horror stories of premature and unnecessary death every day in the news.

I used to think Obama was moderately intelligent--at least good enough to get a degree from a decent university. No more. His actual stupidity becomes ever more apparent. He can´t broker the budget deal because both sides would figure out that he doesn´t possess the skills, so he turns the process over to Harry Reid. And he and his advisers live in an Emperor´s New Clothes bubble to the extent that they don´t even realize how poorly they are performing. They have no idea that as Obamacare impacts the life of every single American, the Democrat party is going to get a whole bunch of blame for passing the bill before they knew what was in it.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: trapper, 10/16/2013 9:51:23 AM     (No. 9567420)

Mr. Kaus begins from a faulty premise: that Obamacare is about providing health insurance to the uninsured. It has never been about that.

Robert Creamer wrote the blueprint for Obamacare, and his wife, Rep. Schakowsky (an old DSA socialist - look her up), made clear that the goal is to eliminate private health insurance and replace America´s current system with a "single-payer" system (read "nationalized health care") as in the UK. Obama is even on record estimating that it might take 10 to 15 years for Obamacare to drive the system to single-payer.

Obamacare is crashing, and it doesn´t take a crystal ball to project that it will take the entire current system down with it as it goes. It is only taking one year to crash American healthcare instead of the projected 15.

Obama absolutely refuses to delay the individual mandate because THAT is what is driving the crash. Single-payer is the goal, and how we get there doesn´t matter, by a 15 year evolution or a one year crash. Far from panicking, I expect they are elated.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 10/16/2013 9:58:24 AM     (No. 9567435)

@#2: Yes, lofo`s are stupid. How do you think we got Obama in the first place?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Holeymoses, 10/16/2013 10:14:23 AM     (No. 9567475)

Do you think he cares? Not a whit! It´s create the chaos, grab the power, kiss the Koran and grab the golf club.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: jerrodmason, 10/16/2013 10:17:49 AM     (No. 9567482)

When your opponent´s plaything is busy destroying him, why step in? The Rs are just plain stupid for not letting this monster go forward in all its glory.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Salt5792, 10/16/2013 10:27:50 AM     (No. 9567507)

Most people who actually get through the website to sign up are shocked to discover that it isn´t free medical insurance that Obamacare provides.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: jglas, 10/16/2013 10:37:42 AM     (No. 9567531)

Go death spiral! I don´t think Obama´s got the mojo to implement single payer. People were sleeping when they snuck Obamacare through. They´re wide awake now.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: nevernaught, 10/16/2013 11:08:17 AM     (No. 9567608)

The most sensible action would be to send all Democrats and their King to a thought and mind cleansing facility for the good of the country. The very thought that Democrats consider that Obamacare will help anyone is cause for reconsideration of the whole asinine program. Perhaps they will have the computer programing figured out by the next millennium.

They know it too. Just about every liberal organization in their mindless world have opted out. That includes everyone who wrote the bill and Congress and their staffs. The Unions don´t want any part of it either, along with those Brown Shirt Park Rangers who threaten old Vets with retaliation if they get out of hand.

I think the only people left who are required to join are Middle Class working people. Go figure. I don´t know why, but there seems to be a lot less Middle Class people out there anymore. Who then is left to run the country and pay for those 60 million people on the dole (soon to be about 100 million, not including millions of illegals).

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Reply 21 - Posted by: peterfleming, 10/16/2013 12:58:40 PM     (No. 9567831)

Of course Commieskare is in crisis.
It´s communism. It´s hell. Even the dummies
are waking up that something is terribly wrong ... even the TV brainwashed dummies.
First gangster provoking alcohol prohibition
Then underworld drug prohibition to promote
crime and big bank money laundering
Now, our puppet dictator forces Medical
Prohibition to upset the entire medical
technology industry and profession. Imagine
going to the underworld, black market for proper medical care, because our imposter leader destroyed all medical progress in the name of Communist Control of the lowly, despised peasants !

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Golden, 10/16/2013 2:11:47 PM     (No. 9567968)

Obamacare on life support. Oh the irony..


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Reply 23 - Posted by: strike3, 10/16/2013 4:59:17 PM     (No. 9568252)

#20 has the right answer. Obamacare was born without a heart and without a brain (much like its namesake). If we refuse to accept it, it will die that much faster but die it will. We are the jolt of electricity for Obama´s Frankenstein monster.

I don´t think it was meant to fail, the democrats and their demented leader are just that stupid.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: JediJerry, 10/16/2013 6:58:07 PM     (No. 9568394)

Obambacare is not in crisis, the Constitution is in crisis. Why? Because Obama and his droids in the House and Senate are doing everything they possibly can to not abide by it, seize power and control and do whatever it is they damn well please, that´s why. The Senate Republicans are doing everything that they possibly can to enable this disaster into happening, and it is in our faces today. No one cares. Maybe some do but not near enough to stop it or reverse it.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 10/16/2013 8:08:29 PM     (No. 9568496)

It´s time for our young people to realize THEY got the shaft, rise up, get in the gummints face, form a new party (or re-engineer the pubbie party, if possible) and straighten out this Obie care debacle. Repeal after the fact? You betchya, but thanks to John Roberts, it will have to be replaced with something.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Eheu Fugaces, 10/17/2013 11:11:07 AM     (No. 9569380)

#2 - Unfortunately, Lofos will be appalled at having to spend five times what they formerly would have to have paid for health care, and will be delighted with the government "subsidies", and even be pleased to have their taxes raised to 75% (the Democrats´ "European" style tax rate) to pay for their subsidies". Wow! I mean too kewl! Like Obama rocks!

Frankly, I am cruel enough to look forward eagerly to the poverty, unemployment, 36 hour waits in ER waiting rooms, and longer waits on gurneys for a room that they will soon have to endure. But believe me, these masochistic airheads will enjoy it once Charlie Rose or Jon Stewart or whoever tells them how great it is.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Rafter, 10/17/2013 12:06:34 PM     (No. 9569472)

#19, as long as the GOP retains the House majority, O-Bomber cannot pass
anything that they don´t agree to... and the Speaker can even keep it from coming
to the floor for a vote.

If the GOP had kept the House in 2006 and 2008, there would be no
O-BomberKommieKare right now, but our purist and perfectionist friends wanted to
teach those nasty CongressHo´s a big lesson, and did they ever!

As the old saw goes...
"People warned me that if I voted for Barry Goldwater in 1964, we´d end up with
a massive land war in Asia... and they were right!"

All of our smartypants here cannot be fooled.
They know to kick out the GOP if it isn´t perfect.
Then we can all live as AmeriKan Kommunists... like we do now!
What a country!

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 10/17/2013 5:21:15 PM     (No. 9570014)

I know enough young people to know that in this economy, a job paying $25,000-$30,000 is a treasure to them.

How are they going to pay their social security tax, their student loan payments ($200-$500 per month), their costs of food/clothing/shelter/commuting to work, and then pay Obamacare premiums for a plan with a $12,000 deductible? They can´t do that even if they stay in their old bedroom at home with Mom & Dad.

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Funny question in the headline, yes? But since President Obama worries more about the threat of terrorists´ improvised nuclear device going off in a major American city than anything Russia can throw at us, I was wondering if the government had deigned to share with us citizens any tips for, you know, surviving something their own intelligence points to as the likeliest unlikely Black Swan event. Well, no. And yes. No — very few people in Washington, D.C., who work for the government have any idea what they would do if a 10-kiloton nuclear device exploded at the intersection of 16th and K

Atlanta Braves flooded with Hank
Aaron hate mail: He’s a ‘s*****g’

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Washington Times (D.C.), by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/15/2014 3:23:19 PM     Post Reply
Hank Aaron’s recent comments about the need for America to realize that racism is still very much alive and thriving — only now due to those who wear “neckties and starched shirts” rather than KKK hoods — has sparked an angry backlash and many fans are turning the tables, calling the baseball legend himself a racist. “Hank Aaron is a s*****g piece of [expletive] [racial slur],” one man said in an email to the Atlanta Braves’ front office, one of the teams Mr. Aaron used to play for, CBS News reported. “My old man instilled in my mind from a

Megyn Kelly and the
Sandberg Head Shaker

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American Thinker, by Richard F. Miniter    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/15/2014 9:16:05 AM     Post Reply
Megyn Kelly’s "Kelly File" is a great news show. She’s incisive, informed and customarily handles the toughest guest with aplomb. But her lengthy interview of Facebook C.O.O. Sheryl Sandberg about her second book in the Lean In series Lean In: For Graduates was a head shaker. Amazing that she of all people allowed Sandberg to restring the same old, same old, shamed, and shopworn feminist myths about women and girls and then jangle it in front of her viewing audience like something new out of the box. Indeed Kelly all but genuflected in front of this woman. Kept her on thru

Obama taps gay bishop to wrap Easter
Prayer Breakfast with invocation

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 4/15/2014 9:25:28 AM     Post Reply
When President Obama needed a preacher to fulfill the closing prayer duties at the annual White House Easter Prayer Breakfast, he turned to none other than the Episcopal Church’s first openly gay bishop — who said he was as shocked as anyone at the appointment. The Right Rev. Gene Robinson said in a tweet, accompanied by a photo of Mr. Obama behind a podium at the event: “POTUS ‘preaches’ at the Easter prayer breakfast. Then, out of the blue, asks ME to close with prayer. OMG!” Newsmax said he also emphasized that the words he chose to close the breakfast

Obama Selects First Openly Gay
Episcopal Bishop to Lead Easter Prayer

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Mediaite, by Andrew Kirell    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/14/2014 12:46:05 PM     Post Reply
President Obama pulled a surprise move Monday at the White House’s Easter Prayer Breakfast when he selected Gene Robinson to lead the closing prayer. Robinson is famously known as the first openly gay Episcopal bishop. Talking Points Memo’s Tom Kludt spotted the following tweet from Robinson, who was in attendance: (Tweet) Robinson, 66, became diocesan bishop of New Hampshire in March 2004. He retired in January 2013 and is currently a senior fellow at the progressive

Developing: Russian fighter jet buzzes
U.S. Navy destroyer in Black Sea

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Associated Press, by Lolita C. Baldor    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/14/2014 12:49:12 PM     Post Reply
A Russian fighter jet made multiple, close-range passes near an American warship in the Black Sea for more than 90 minutes Saturday amid escalating tensions in the region, a U.S. military official said Monday. In the first public account of the incident, the official said the Russian Fencer flew within 1,000 yards of the USS Donald Cook, a Navy destroyer, at about 500 feet above sea level. Ship commanders considered the actions provocative and inconsistent with international agreements, prompting the ship to issue several radio queries and warnings. The fighter appeared to be unarmed and never was in danger of

You´re in denial if
you think Steve Israel is
wrong about GOP racism

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Daily Beast, by Michael Tomasky    Original Article
Posted By: Fiesta del sol- 4/14/2014 6:09:58 AM     Post Reply
Some time back, whenever a big racial controversy erupted, I trained myself into the habit of reading about it at FoxNews.com, just for the unbelievable comment threads. Let’s put it this way: If my friends and I went out to a bar and started playing a “let’s write the racist FoxNews.com comment thread” drinking game, our efforts couldn’t begin to approach what I read there.I wasn’t alone. Liberal websites started feasting on these threads. And so, a couple of years ago, Ailes & Co. got wise. Stories about race were, at least in my disheartened experience, closed to comments.


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