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Rattled Congress Seeks
Way Out of Its Standoff

New York Times, by Jonathan Weisman

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Posted By:toledo, 10/4/2013 8:16:11 AM

WASHINGTON — Republican efforts to resolve the fiscal standoff that has closed much of the federal government heated up Thursday, the third day of the shutdown, with new talks over a broad budget deal and an effort by more moderate House members to break the logjam. Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, chairman of the House Budget Committee, has initiated conversations with senior House Republicans on a broad deficit reduction deal that would allow some increases to federal programs squeezed by the automatic cuts known as sequestration in exchange for long-term changes to programs like Medicare and Social Security. The

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Pearson365, 10/4/2013 8:20:06 AM     (No. 9549624)



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Reply 2 - Posted by: Pearson365, 10/4/2013 8:30:46 AM     (No. 9549643)

This NYT piece extolling Paul D. RINO, Dem Lite, Wisconsin, is designed to undercut the principled stance of the majority of House Republicans. One has to hope that the conservatives are strong enough and numerous enough to withstand the charge of the RINOs.

As to reforming SS and Medicare, this is the action Dems are lusting for: the GOP will be accused of taking away your mother´s Social Security check and keeping her from seeing a doctor. GOP has to focus on ending ObamaCare and slashing EPA, Energy, Education, HHS and dozens of agencies that are a burden and not a benefit.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Joe Btfsplk, 10/4/2013 8:56:08 AM     (No. 9549679)

Obama is screaming "Fire!" in the theater when not even a whiff of smoke exists.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: M2, 10/4/2013 9:02:32 AM     (No. 9549691)

Uh...

About 20 Republicans and Democrats signed on to a proposal that would reopen the government, finance it for six months and repeal the health care law’s tax on medical devices, a provision that has bipartisan opposition.

That tax is not in question. It´s the INDIVIDUAL MANDATE that is the sticking point, among others. The removal of the medical device tax will go thru.

Did I miss the whole point of this battle in the NYT article -- that it´s the individual mandate we´re fighting about?

Aides described those talks as “conversations about conversations,” not true negotiations, and they favored the term “down payment” on the deficit over “grand bargain.”

...and people wonder why Congress is held in such low regard? Is this all about linguistics or is it about tyranny?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: humboldt, 10/4/2013 9:02:38 AM     (No. 9549692)

This piece should be recognized for what it is; i.e.., disinformation in the service of the DNC designed to misinform the public and demoralize Republicans in Congress. The House needs to hang tough. If nothing else, the standoff is revealing Obama´s incredible pettiness and lack of concern about what is best for the U.S.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: athina, 10/4/2013 9:14:00 AM     (No. 9549717)

GOP, do not cave. Do Not Cave. DO NOT CAVE!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: OhMy, 10/4/2013 9:32:28 AM     (No. 9549752)

Mark Levin had this well analyzed yesterday. Obama doens´t care about the shutdown he is just softening up the GOP for the debt limit fight to get everything he wants there by the usual demagoguery about paying your bills to distract from his running up the debt and profligate spending. How dare the House ( with the power of the purse ) pick and choose what should be funded - Harry Reid will not "fall into the trap" of passing popular spending bills like the children´s cancer research and if he did Obama would veto anything that doesn´t give him all he wants. He is talking about an economic collapse being avoided by raising the debt ceiling - the opposite of the truth - as a way to push the blame on the republicans for the collapse he is causing and still pushing for. Since the republicans have been so pathetic in explaining these things they have already caved on the debt ceiling and Obama is guaranteed the ultimate victory on the shutdown and wide open spending for the foreseeable future!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: sadc, 10/4/2013 9:43:45 AM     (No. 9549767)

In any family or any business, if the leader comes with the news that cutbacks are needed because the money situation has changed, they might seem like the bad guy because they have to say the mean words..."no, we can´t do that" but it is the only way to survive. Someone has to say the "mean words" which the left knows how to say. Obama himself gave that stunning, no nonsense speech as a senator about taking out a credit card, from the bank of China, in our children´s names, and pointed out how that was unpatriotic and wrong. Somehow it is now OK? No, it is not OK AND he knows it. We have to stand for something, even as unpopular as it makes us, but COME ON leaders, at least try to explain. The Karl Rove, ignore the accusations strategy, does not work.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: 6079 Smith, W, 10/4/2013 10:06:06 AM     (No. 9549811)

This whole thing could have been avoided had the Democrat led Senate done its job and passed a budget. But it is too much to ask a Dem to do their job.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Freeloader, 10/4/2013 10:08:55 AM     (No. 9549817)

Rattled? Seeking a way out? Looking for a solution? How about: (A) Arrest Dingy Harry and (B) Impeach and deport Barry Soetoro?
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Reply 11 - Posted by: owl, 10/4/2013 10:15:45 AM     (No. 9549839)

We saw it, why couldn´t the congressional GOP?. We saw how arrogant and self-serving he was, as well as how he disregarded and abused the law. The GOPhers gave him too much rope, which gave him an over abundance of confidence he could keep the wrecking ball in motion. He´s a Godzilla now, drawing more and more power from anything shot at him. Maybe not too late, but we have to confront and diminish him now. I appears reid may have exhausted his rhetoric, which will be helpful.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: jglas, 10/4/2013 10:17:06 AM     (No. 9549842)

The important thing here is not the politics but the principle. The constitution gives congress the power of the purse to balance the power of the three branches of government. They must guard that power and not allow the president to steal it away by shutting down the government. If they allow the president de-facto power of the purse, as in forcing them to pay for his Obamacare no strings attached, then we are more than halfway to a dictatorship.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: globalwarmer, 10/4/2013 10:32:15 AM     (No. 9549870)

I like the shutdown. Shows we can get along with huge cuts in spending, so naturally the libs hate it.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: RancherJack, 10/4/2013 10:35:14 AM     (No. 9549877)

Bla Bla Bla.

Throw the bums out. Ashcan the entire Obama administration.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Butch59, 10/4/2013 10:47:28 AM     (No. 9549907)

Sense the Dims have control of the WH, Senate, and most importantly, the MSM, the only outcome I can see is that in time the Republicans will eventually cave in and give Obozo all he wants. And the RINOS will be along with him and will contribute to the pressure put on true conservatives. This time, our "government" has truly degenerated into a tyranical force. All the dims want is to RULE, not govern.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Coy860, 10/4/2013 11:07:37 AM     (No. 9549941)

We have enough revenue coming in every month to service the debt, and pay medicare and social security. This scare tactic is a BIG LIE.
The gov´t may be shut down, but revenue is still coming in as usual.
Republicans, HOLD firm!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: nevernaught, 10/4/2013 11:13:12 AM     (No. 9549963)

The government took in more money last year and did they stand pat on spending and lower the amount of debt. No, of course they didn´t, they spent more money and raised the debt.

Obama´s new ploy today is to threaten senior people with not sending out their Social Security Checks. If he wants trouble of that sort, he´s asking for it.

Of course, my first solution is to stop supporting illegal criminals who run in the underground economy and don´t pay taxes. The government supports them with free medical services and pays to educate their kids in school. That is no way to balance a budget. Maybe Mexico´s budget, not ours.

Before he starts threatening Senior Citizens with financial ruin, he had better get those 50 to 60 million people off of the dole. You know the ones, they won´t work but produce kids on a production line so the government GIVES them more money.

I was born in the depression, froze my butt off in Korea, worked all my life to support myself and my family and what for. Certainly not to support people who live free and have no work ethic. We once called them bums. They still are. Congress had better gut this one out.. or they are out. I´m not seeing much difference between either anti American, self serving party. There, I´ve had my say.



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Reply 18 - Posted by: strike3, 10/4/2013 11:46:00 AM     (No. 9550028)

I´ve noticed that logjams only occur when these Washington people put their heads together.

I´m with you, #10. We need to stop arguing over the small stuff and simply cut off the heads of the snakes, Won Hussein Soetoro the Kenyan and his puppet master, Valjar the Iranian. I want to see a government run by Americans from now on or no government at all.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: lennon47, 10/4/2013 11:46:59 AM     (No. 9550031)

With a New York Times byline - skip it, do not read, it bull crap, liberal dibble

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Rmagnus, 10/4/2013 12:16:45 PM     (No. 9550083)

Iran gets Obama´s open hand and we get his clenched fist.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: peterfleming, 10/4/2013 12:36:26 PM     (No. 9550110)

Barry Soetero, the forgery impersonator, the Muslim Marxist with the gold ring that cries allu akbar, the small time tan organizer gone big time organizer. Only when committing chaos, is this agitator succeeding at his Soros puppeteers tasks.
He plays to a Lenin propagandist trained media and a drunken, crazily bribed Congress too confused with the lobbying loot heaped upon them to ever make a rational, sane decision. Rome is burning, and Barry Nero is laughing insanely, golfing (which replaced fiddling) while it all burns down. And all of our brilliant hard working individual and corporate Americans watch quietly from a distance, continuing to pay the lobbyists to bribe for abusive Congressional privilege.
Amongst all this sickness, only a Ted Cruz
elected, or a Mark Levin patriot can save us
,,, a single strong voice.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: gwmcclintok, 10/4/2013 12:46:46 PM     (No. 9550124)

The point is that Speaker John Boehner is thinking of putting together a vote with Democrats and 20 to 40 Republicans and ignore the Republican caucus. Pass a debt ceiling and a clean CR. Then of course Boehner will be toast....if he is that stupid and traitorous.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: KanCreeper, 10/4/2013 12:49:53 PM     (No. 9550127)

The response from Poster#1 is right up there with the Congressional poularity Rating- NOTHING!

While the Crapweasels in The Regime are wanting to make everyone, but themselves feel the pain...The Imperial Presidency punishes it subjects for no reason other than they can. So the Peasants do nothing, but grovel.


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Reply 24 - Posted by: Udanja99, 10/4/2013 1:51:26 PM     (No. 9550200)

If they cave, the GOP is over. Done. Toast.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: strike3, 10/4/2013 2:16:07 PM     (No. 9550236)

This shutdown situation is similar to what happens when you try to drive a car by using only the accelerator. Eventually you run off the road and hit something at high speed. The results are never good.

After the big crash we will have the opportunity to build it better next time. We certainly couldn´t do worse.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: congaree53, 10/4/2013 2:38:10 PM     (No. 9550266)

Some Republicans are making all of the same mistakes that they made when they ignored all of the evidence suggesting that the GOP was likely to lose in 2012. Most of the time, the echo chamber hurts conservatives and Republicans by making them oblivious to inconvenient facts and ideas, but in this case it is leading them to believe in an alternate political reality with its own set of rules.
Bambi´s polls are all voer the place; 45 Fox (up 4), 41 Gallup, 46 Ras. Maybe 44 +- 2 covers the spread. BUT HE IS TYPICALLY MID 40´s- with an occassional bounce to 50. Meanwhile on Fox, Boehner is in sewer and Ted Cruz is upside down (except in echo chamber).
Boehner will cave to stop bleeding.


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Reply 27 - Posted by: badrad, 10/4/2013 2:52:15 PM     (No. 9550278)

If the GOp is ever to demonstrate they better do it now. Occupy the highways with car flags and signs that say hink to get rid of obamacare.

If the GOP fold this time they lose more than if they do not. The narrative is a lie so if they fold the folks--the dumb lo info folks will just trail after obMao and the dems like lambs without docked tails, wagging them behind them.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Penney, 10/4/2013 3:06:33 PM     (No. 9550300)

0bama´ political priorities finally are quite, ´´transparent,´´ as he selectively targets what is, ´´shut down,´´ and what is still funded, eh? mmm mmm mmm

GO CRUZ!!

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Reply 29 - Posted by: privateer, 10/4/2013 4:37:50 PM     (No. 9550420)

RE: 8´s citing of O´s speech against raising the debt (taking out a credit card from China payable by our children)....is there video of him saying that? If so, does he have exclusive rights to its use? If yes, and he doesn´t, that clip should be played literally hundreds of times in the run-up to the debt ceiling decision. Even if there is only a written transcript, blanket the airways. Show him for the hypocritical shyster he is.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: grampstosix, 10/4/2013 5:55:27 PM     (No. 9550526)

A demand to raise the debt ceiling so the gov´t. can pay bills is a canard. That would just permit more borrowing. There is enough money flowing into the treasury each day from taxes to take care of obligations and Obama knows it. Hang tough Boehner and company.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Rafter, 10/4/2013 6:51:06 PM     (No. 9550608)

Right now, NO-Bomber looks bad.
Let´s keep it that way.

He offended most of America by barring veterans from memorials.
NO-Bomber looks desperate, and out of depth.
He´s axing for trouble by poking everyone else in the eye with his federal closures.

GOP cannot give in to this monster.
Punishing him fires up the base.
And we really can ditch ObamaKommieKare.
So let´s do it.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: DCGIRL, 10/4/2013 7:01:20 PM     (No. 9550621)

The only one rattled is BOZO BOEHNER. Retire and put a real man in that position.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Tianne, 10/4/2013 7:30:50 PM     (No. 9550657)

The following quote contains the beginning and closing paragraphs of a speech, given by Senator Barack Obama, as it appears in the Congressional Record, March 16, 2006:

“Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America´s debt problem.

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America´s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government´s reckless fiscal policies.

“Increasing America´s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

“I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America´s debt limit. “


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Reply 34 - Posted by: dman, 10/4/2013 8:03:27 PM     (No. 9550687)

The RINOs are rattled because they cannot hide on this one. If they cave, they may as well switch party affiliation - the GOP will soon be history. There is no way out, so they may as well fight.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: artlover, 10/4/2013 9:19:40 PM     (No. 9550747)

I may as well say this again. We are doomed. This country is gone forever. There is nothing the Republicans or anyone else can or will do. This nation is no more. I admire Boehner for standing up for the good of this country, but there is no way he can win this. He will have a heart attack and gain nothing. Obama has a hold on this country and there is no getting around it.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: dr fate, 10/4/2013 11:23:15 PM     (No. 9550836)

So nice of you to show up and capitulate for us all, #35. We can never get enough of the white flag wavers who contribute so much to these threads. Now, if only the manic Cruz hater would post, we could all call it a night.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 10/5/2013 12:22:00 AM     (No. 9550879)

Lots of tough talk, we should arrest Obama, we should impeach him, we need to insist on this and that. Anyone who tries to point out that we don´t have the power is accused of waving the white flag. I am glad the Republicans made this effort. I hope the voters will notice how rotten Obama and his Democrats are behaving. They don´t seem to be grasping it.

As soon as Obama came into power he declared war on almost half of the country. He has been waging this war ever since. Democrat voters think he is on their side and don´t care that he is trying to destroy us and our party. Is he succeeding? Might makes right. They have heve might. They are using it.

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The Obama administration is poised to entertain a flood of new clemency applications from thousands of federal prisoners who were given harsh sentences under mandatory-minimum laws following drug convictions, Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday. Holder said in a short videotaped statement that he wants to shrink the federal prison population by a modest amount while ensuring ´that those who have paid their debts have a chance to become productive citizens.´ At the center of the move is a set of old sentencing rules that punished crack-cocaine offenders with more time behind bars than users or traffickers of powder cocaine.

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lack experience for 2016

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The Hill [Washington, DC], by Mario Trujillo    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/22/2014 11:18:06 AM     Post Reply
Former Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kan.) said a number of junior GOP senators considering a presidential run in 2016 do not yet have the experience — specifically naming Rand Paul (Ky.), Marco Rubio (Fla.) and Ted Cruz (Texas). The former 1996 GOP presidential candidate sounded particularly skeptical of Cruz in an interview this week with The Wichita Eagle. "A number of the younger members, first-termers like Rand Paul, Rubio and that extreme-right-wing guy, Ted Cruz — all running for president now. I don´t think they´ve got enough experience yet," Dole said. The 90-year-old former senator said, however, his main concern about 2016 is living

Jeb Bush is your only chance
against Hillary, Republicans

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Hot Air, by Bob Schrum    Original Article
Posted By: quantumman- 4/22/2014 6:32:54 AM     Post Reply
If Jeb reaches for the nomination, there will be a titanic battle between the party establishment and the Tea Party. Steve Schmidt, McCain’s strategist in 2008, insists that in the end Republicans usually settle on the most electable candidate. To get by, this Bush may be forced to trim his positions, although the cautionary tale of Romney suggests that he would have to tack artfully and carefully for the sake of the general election. Certainly he will have the resources to outlast, discredit, and disqualify his rivals.

Michelle Obama:
´splurging is the key to life´

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Associated Press, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/21/2014 9:31:25 PM     Post Reply
Washington - Michelle Obama said "splurging is the key to life" if you regularly eat right and stay active. Her biggest guilty pleasure: French fries. "How would you appreciate vegetables if you never had chocolate?" she asked. "You couldn´t live without a little chocolate, a little French fries." The first lady took questions from children reporters Monday after appearing at the White House Easter Egg Roll. She told the children that if they eat right the majority of the time, then a splurge or snack is not going to hurt them. "I still splurge when I can, but that's why I try to exercise almost every day," she said.

But Seriously, Just How
Slow-Witted is John Boehner?

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American Thinker, by C. Edmund Wright    Original Article
Posted By: quantumman- 4/21/2014 7:22:21 AM     Post Reply
As he moves from lobbyists to the golf course, from press conferences to the tanning bed, he remains oblivious to all that is around him. He has power, incredible power, and yet to this day he has no understanding of the election that made it so. Moreover, all around him are astonishing opportunities for him to be an historic figure -- one who could and should be the man who did more than any other single person in turning back the red tide of Obama. It’s all there for Speaker of the House, and yet John Boehner manages to miss

Professor: ‘Colleges Will Start Closing Up’ if
‘Racist, Misogynist, Money-Grubbing’ GOP Wins

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National Review Online, by Andrew Johnson    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/22/2014 4:42:50 PM     Post Reply
New audio reveals an Eastern Connecticut State University professor warning that Republicans will “want things to go back — not to to 1955, but to 1855? if they win control of Congress in November. Republican victories could also put him out of a job, he cautioned. “We will live in a very, very, very different kind of country if that happens,” Professor Brent Terry told students in his Introduction to Creative Writing course, according to audio obtained by Campus Reform. “I mean, colleges will start closing up if these people have their way.” Over the course of his rant, Terry characterized conservatives

Would YOU be underwater if the
polar caps melted? Map reveals
what our planet would look like
if sea levels rose by 260ft

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Daily Mail (UK), by Ellie Zolfagharifard    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/21/2014 5:20:21 PM     Post Reply
Global sea levels have risen by 8 inches (20cm) since 1880 and scientists predict they could rise up to 3ft (98cm) by 2100. But despite the UN’s recent threats of war, famine and extreme weather, such a dramatically different world caused by sea level rise can be hard to imagine. To help picture the future, Martin Vargic, an amateur graphic designer from Slovakia, has created a map depicting the planet with sea levels around 260ft (79m) higher than they are today. He imagines what Earth would look like if the ice sheets surrounding the North and South poles melted, releasing

Fraud runs rampant in Census Bureau
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New York Post, by John Crudele    Original Article
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There’s a pattern of falsifying statistics throughout the entire Census Bureau. And anyone who attempts to blow the whistle on the fraud is either retaliated against or ignored, according to two new sources who have experienced the process firsthand. As I’ve been writing for more than six months, the Census Bureau office in Philadelphia uncovered a case of fraud in 2010, did nothing about it and allowed the practice to continue. In that instance, a data collector named Julius Buckmon was faking reports that went into the nation’s all-important jobless tally and consumer-inflation survey. Because the Census Bureau’s surveys are scientific — meaning

Reid: ´We Are a Nation of Laws,
Not of Men and Women´

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Cybercast News Service, by Susan Jones    Original Article
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It may not be tomorrow, but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) says "something will happen" to force a Nevada rancher to obey a court order to stop grazing his cattle on federal land and pay his grazing fees. "It´s obvious that you can´t just walk away from this," Reid said in an April 18 interview with a Nevada´s KSNV-TV News 3 program “What’s Your Point?” "You can´t have a law that is -- we´re a nation of laws, not of men and women," he said. (Video) Reid noted that most cattlemen pay their taxes, pay their fees, and follow

You´re on the clock:
Doctors rush patients out the door

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USA Today*, by Roni Caryn Rabin    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/21/2014 4:35:59 AM     Post Reply
Joan Eisenstodt didn´t have a stopwatch when she went to see an ear, nose and throat specialist recently, but she is certain the physician was not in the exam room with her for more than three or four minutes. "He looked up my nose, said it was inflamed, told me to see the nurse for a prescription and was gone," said the 66-year-old Washington, D.C., consultant, who was suffering from an acute sinus infection. When she started protesting the doctor´s choice of medication, "He just cut me off totally," she said. "I´ve never been in and out from a visit faster." These days,

The Increasing Desperation of Democrats
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National Review Online, by John Fund    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/21/2014 5:19:02 AM     Post Reply
Harry Reid isn’t backing down from his claim that rancher Cliven Bundy’s supporters are “domestic terrorists.” It’s astonishing rhetoric given the White House’s characterization of the mass shooting by a genuine terrorist, Major Nidal Hasan, who killed 13 Americans at the Fort Hood Army base after yelling “Allahu Akbar!” (God is great.) Rather than labeling Hasan’s actions “domestic terrorism,” the Obama administration is prosecuting him for having committed “workplace violence.” Democratic rhetoric is become ever more desperate and overheated as we approach the November midterm elections. Last week, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said that GOP positions on immigration were motivated by

38 Republican lawmakers put aside differences
for lawsuit challenging legality of Obamacare

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Washington Times, by Dave Boyer    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/22/2014 5:20:31 AM     Post Reply
Thirty-eight Republican lawmakers, including such unlikely bedfellows as John McCain of Arizona and Ted Cruz of Texas, have joined to support a lawsuit challenging the legality of the Affordable Care Act and accusing the president of repeatedly ignoring the law he signed for political reasons. The lawmakers have signed onto a legal brief in support of a lawsuit filed by Sen. Ron Johnson, the Wisconsin Republican who is asking a federal court to overturn Obamacare’s special treatment for members of Congress and their staffs. “The unlawful executive action at issue in this case is not an isolated incident,” the brief


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