An extraordinary moment in journalism. That’s the only way to describe the September 30 issue of America Magazine, completely given over to an interview with Pope Francis. It can be accessed online here. How the Jesuits sat on this interview, done over three days in August, is amazing in the nothing’s-a-secret-world of Wikileaks. As I read the interview, I kept saying, “Wow! This is incredible.” I wanted to call someone to tell them what I was reading. I saw an ad for the National Religious Retirement Collection in the pages and thought, “Lucky them. Here’s an issue to advertise in!”
Comments: I do give WaPo credit for Sr. Mary Ann Walsh´s article. For those interested, you can get America Magazine (weekly magazine) subscription for Kindle through Amazon for $2.99 per month. Works out to 72 cents an issue. Worth every penny!
Uh... question... is the part where Jesus said "go..and sin no more" still legit...or do we just forget that part?
How much good does our Holy Father find in someone who performs and more importantly will continue to perform partial birth abortions? You know.. the ones where the implement is stuck into the back of the baby´s head and forced open.
I mean... while we are finding God in such a person.. do we just sit and watch and say his Holiness said "all good"?
All human beings sin. In Christianity the difference is that one if forgiven it one asks and seeks to abstain from that sin. Success is not necessary but trying to is. ALL mortals sin. I am no Christian but there is much truth in Christianity.
Hmmm, to be pope, or to be pope-ular, that is the question. Yes, I understand the "hate the sin, but love the sinner" argument, but when one is the leader of one of the world´s largest religions, there is a danger is sending mixed messages. Namely, are your religion´s basic beliefs still valid, or are you dismissing the necessity of maintaining those beliefs simply because they are no longer popular?
If it´s the latter, you are encouraging the faithful to no longer be faithful. And your religion no longer really has those beliefs.
All: this Pope has been grossly MISUNDERSTOOD. He is NOT saying abortion is ok, etc., or that you don´t need to believe in Jesus/God, etc. Go to the original interview, unfiltered, not thru the lens of the WaPo or NYT. I ask you to not write him off based on what you read in the worldwide press. His points on these topics have a far different meaning when taken in context than what is being represented.
I grew up in the era of the heroic John Paul II. I never had to worry about what he would do or say. He died in service, in agony, before our very eyes and taught the world a lesson in grace. He never quit.
His successor walked off the job after a few years. The new guy keeps saying flakey things--mere humanity, after the stuff of legends.
Did the world get bigger, or are the Popes just getting smaller?
I find this shocking but this is my effort to find something good in it worth mentioning. It used the analogy about a battle field where you give the wounded care for their injuries in battle right away before worrying about the underlying condition. If they are diabetic for example you don´t measure their blood sugar right away but patch up the wounds where they are bleeding to death and their bones are broken etc. This is something that could apply but not for long. So give them a hug and then what. You can´t ignore the underlying condition for long or it will make the situation worse. Jesus healed the people of their infirmities and then tells them go go and sin no more. The infirmity is a physical evil that results from a moral evil - Sin! Jesus would often forgive the sins before or along with healing the person. This is his fundamental reason for coming to earth. He was given the name Jesus because Jesus means Saviour - He is to save you from your sins. The crowds came when he healed infirmities but there were only 3 at the foot of the cross when he healed the underlying evil.
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Redneck In NY, 9/20/2013 8:00:30 AM (No. 9528708)
Save your breath #6, judging from yesterdays slew of articles (and comments) on this topic, the majority of Catholic bashers here will readily believe the MSM´s slant in order to level insults at the church and pope.
Well, the Bible says that the Apostasy (falling away from the faith) will come, and that there will be a "false prophet" in the last days who leads the defection. Hopefully Francis is not that one, but some things he is alleged to have said sound inappropriate for an orthodox Christian leader.
This man has made a lot of comments that a. can easily be mis-stated by the press, or b. are just what they seem.....a man who will lead the Catholic church into the history books of a once great tool of Christ but no longer existing. If the press is misleading us, there is no push back by the pope to correct the situation.....so it stands as represented. And he might construct a church that welcomes and embraces abortion supporters, gay activists and those intent on destroying the family unit, but just picture what kind of a church he is constructing. And how far from Christ´s teachings that is.
#1, The Holy father isn´t saying that all acts are morally equal. Of course, he recognizes sin in all it´s horror. What does he want from the abortionist that violently destroys human life? The same thing Christ Jesus wanted - repentance and a changed heart. The Church isn´t a political organization and it isn´t a secular state. It´s where sinners come to Christ for redemption.
What #6 said. I have been reading the original article online. It´s very long. I was going to print it out, but it´s 15 pages long. Don´t judge on the basis of MSM interpretations. If you do, you are assuming that the very news sources that Ldotters deride for their inaccuracies and liberal slants are speaking the truth. READ the article for yourself before you jump to conclusions. PLEASE.
The church certainly needs to change, but where is the sweet spot? I´d say: fewer guitar masses with music designed for twelve year-old incipient hippies; more focus on the gospel; priests with a knowledge of history and theology who can inform and inspire; less authoritarian, bureaucratic b.s., greater focus on Jesus´ message and far less focus on the church ´laws´ that have been created by fallible human beings. Every time I go to mass I come away with diminished faith in the institutional church.
2-minute course in the proper interpretation of religion news:
1.Get deep into your "Hermeneutic of Suspicion" mode.
2. Immediately, if not sooner, put a big ol´ set of parentheses, followed by a question mark, around these elements: the headline, the picture captions, and the lede. That´s where the most damaging spin and bias is going to be.
3. Remember that even the best journos are rushing to make a deadline and often get stuff wrong through sheer haste and inadvertence.
4. "Stuff" includes botched translation from the Italian original, omitted key portions of the quote, ignored context, and hashed theology.
5. I actually once read in a newspaper account that the book being read from the church lectern was the "Axe of the Apostles."
6. The deeply-missed Chuck Colson once stressed that we need to be "Salt and Light" (a well-known Jesusy phrase) and was misquoted as saying we need to "assault the light."
7. When nearing total panic or bafflement, get the straight scoop from the wonderful GET RELIGION blog, which specializes in analyzing the MSM spin, http://www.patheos.com/blogs/getreligion/
The greatest sinners make the best converts. Those most in need of salvation know that have sinned but don´t believe God could ever forgive them. Once they grasp that God can and will forgive them if they repent and vow to sin no more, they become powerful ministers to other sinners. This is a key thread through the Gospels.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 19, 2013 CARDINAL DOLAN’S STATEMENT ON POPE FRANCIS INTERVIEW IN LA CIVILTÀ CATTOLICA AND AMERICA MAGAZINE
In his interview in La Civiltà Cattolica, and America magazine, our Holy Father confirms what has been apparent during these first six months of his papacy: that he is a man who profoundly believes in the mercy of a loving God, and who wants to bring that message of mercy to the entire world, including those who feel that they have been wounded by the Church. As a priest and bishop, I particularly welcome his reminder that the clergy are primarily to serve as shepherds, to be with our people, to walk with them, to be pastors, not bureaucrats! It is becoming more evident every day that we are blessed with a Pope who is a good shepherd after the heart of Christ.
I think we´re seeing why he may of not have been elected the first time. Very troubling indeed, as a Catholic, I´m very worried about how this will be interpreted and how it will be used by our opponents. Very sad day indeed for the church.
We have a Liberal/Progressive Pope who wants to de-emphasize Gays and Abortion. He considers the second Vatican Council an irreversible novelty. Francis reminds of Obama and he will transform the Church.
You have to take the time to read the interview in America, not the attempt to pull sound bites out of it. I am not Catholic, but tried to read with and open mind. Francis appears to be full of faith in God to work everything out (eg the push for women priests and same sex couples and divorce) rather than trying to make up some doomed-to-failure prescriptions. He is definitely a problem for the sound-bite crowd as pulling out bits and pieces of what he says does not do his thought processes justice. But I fear that nothing will change in the church as there is no reason for anyone currently living in sin to change given the extraordinary "mercy" (license?) being extended by Pope Francis.
The Pope is only doing what all religious leaders are assigned to do: fill pews (and offering plates). In MY youth, ministers who LOST MEMBERS got demoted to a smaller flock. Always. Not that there´s anything WRONG with that...
I heard (online) an excellent sermon by Charles Coats, a gospel preacher. He mentioned that he read that there are around 38,000 denominations claiming to be following Jesus Christ today. It made me think of what the pope said recently about changing attitudes toward certain issues and beliefs facing us today.
The pope seems to have said the Catholic church must accept the beliefs of man to draw them into the Catholic church. That probably explains why there are so many denominations as well. If he follows his own advice he will be lost and so shall everyone who believes and follows him. Same is true for all who follow their own ideas regarding salvation.
The reason that is true is because mankind has an authoritative, unchanging rule book from the unchanging Creator God who made us and gave us his God breathed word to guide us throughout life. The same rules apply to all of us. All the rules apply to all of us. We can be certain that the same book of rules we had from the beginning will be the rules used to judge us on that day. The rules will not have changed.
It is amazing that we accept the fact that there have to be rules for the games we play. We accept that there is a source of authority which makes the rules of he game. We must have all the rules of the game in order to know how to play and win. The rules must not change as the game is being played. The same rules apply to everyone. Any decisions that have to be made regarding the game are decided by the rule book.
Why is it then, when it comes to our lives that we think we can follow any rules we want and get to heaven?
The God breathed word of our Creator, The Holy Bible, is our authoritative rule book. All the rules for living life are in that rule book. We can study and know them. The rules stay the same throughout our lives. They do not change. All of mankind has the same rules, and they apply to everyone ´small and great´. The rule book must be followed for the decisions made in life. It isn´t enough to be religious, because we can be religious and wrong. If we want to be right with God, we must follow His rules.
This Francis dude is totally awesome. Like first he says that even atheists can get to heaven if they follow their conscience, which is what I have been telling everyone for years. Next, he says that Catholics have to stop obsessing about abortion, which is what I tried to tell my former girlfriend when she got the tissue removed. (This was a big deal to her, because she started calling it "Junior," and I was going like, "No wait, it´s just tissue.") Anyway, she was all bummed, but now that the Pope has said to stop obsessing, I hope she will, even though we are apart and I am with someone else. Next, getting rid of the top-down deal is really big. Voting to decide stuff is totally cool. I am so ready for deciding sin by committee. I am hoping Nancy Pelosi signs up for this and gets on the abortion committee. Finally, I hate hearing about all the religion stuff from my parents, and like when I used to go to church. I would much prefer just to hear about the love stuff, because hearing about the morality s**t is really a turn-off, and you know, just drives good people like me away. Now if he can just get the uptight priests to chill out. The world needs a cool church. If this dude keeps it up, even I might return, and who would have ever figured that?!
#11 "And he might construct a church that welcomes and embraces abortion supporters, gay activists and those intent on destroying the family unit, but just picture what kind of a church he is constructing."
It´s called the Episcopal Church. Take a good, long look at it while you can, because it another 15 years it won´t be here anymore. And the Catholic Church is going to drink from the same rotten, polluted river. Only because we´re so special, what´s destroyed every other church that´s tried it is going to make us stronger than ever. /sarc
The New Testament is the final word on Christianity. Every Christian needs to read it for his or herself and follow its words. Never trust in a church leader to tell you what it says. We are each responsible for our own actions, we cannot blame a man who leads us astray.
Did not read the Interview? Why bother? Put down your catechism and go with the various headlines. That way you´ll discover that Pope Francis is about to ordain a same-sex civil union couple, one of whom is a specialist in third trimester abortions,the other an athiest.. OK...Now you need not read the 12,000 piece...nor consider anything remotely resembling Catholic doctrine.
For those who struggled with the article, or didn´t bother to read it, the pope does, indeed, have a unique way of saying things, but you might want to check out this lettle nugget from the article:
"The church sometimes has locked itself up in small things, in small-minded rules. The most important thing is the first proclamation: Jesus Christ has saved you. And the ministers of the church must be ministers of mercy above all. The confessor, for example, is always in danger of being either too much of a rigorist or too lax. Neither is merciful, because neither of them really takes responsibility for the person. The rigorist washes his hands so that he leaves it to the commandment. The loose minister washes his hands by simply saying, ‘This is not a sin’ or something like that. In pastoral ministry we must accompany people, and we must heal their wounds."
I´m a pretty conservative Catholic, and not a fan of the Jebbies, but he seems to be following the WWJD path. It´s not as dogmatic, but it´s following in the path of Our Lord.
As a traditional Catholic, I don´t consider the liberal Jesuits as belonging to the same religion as I. I´d never read America or expect truth from it. 50 million dead babies in the US doesn´t require ´balance;´ but ´penance!´
As a not Catholic Christan I did read the real complete interview . The Pope did not condone abortion. He did say the sinner must be reached before he/she can be saved. i have studied the catholic rules and beliefs and those of Judism Islam Buddism . I shout with joy that Pope Francis is telling the world to turn back to what Jesus the Christ taught. He spent his time with sinners while the corrupt religious leaders outraged against him for doing so. He intended to teach them to conquer their ruinous lives and accept God. Francis is telling the religious bodies who show no compassion they are wrong and as guilty as those ancient priests who lost the authority from God the father for their self serving ways. He is saying treat the person and let Jesus decide the final fate.
Loving God with your mind requires reading beyond the headlines. And obeying the Eighth Commandment requires not calling people the Antichrist if they aren´t. You want justice on the way you keep the laws of God? Or do you want mercy? You sure you can get by without all this smooshy mercy? I think not.
40 and 41, please read my comment more carefully. I said,"papacy" not Pope Francis. The office of the pope (Papacy)is regarded by the historical Lutheran Church as being AN antichrist. Note: I John 2:18 states that there are "many antichrists." Taking the word for itself-- an "antichrist" is someone or something that is against or works against Christ. When the pope states that atheists can merely follow their consciences and God´s mercy may save them without them having faith in Christ -- this is ANTI - Christ. When an official title of the pope is "Vicar (substitute) of Christ" -- this is ANTI - Christ. And from the Council of Trent: - this is official Roman Catholic doctrine: "CANON 9: "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema." In other words, if you believe you are saved by grace through faith and not by good works, as Romans tells us, you are to be cursed. THIS is ANTI-Christ. This is proof enough that the R.C.Church is not the "One True Church". Search the Scriptures, as did the Bereans (Acts 17:10-12); don´t blindly accept something as true just because your parents and other ancestors did not question it.
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