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The GOP´s Self-Defeating
´Defunding´ Strategy

Wall Street Journal, by Karl Rove

Original Article

Posted By:MissMolly, 9/19/2013 7:57:28 AM

In 2010, Republicans took the House of Representatives by gaining 63 seats. They also picked up six U.S. senators and 675 state legislators, giving them control of more legislative chambers than any time since 1928. The GOP also won 25 of 40 gubernatorial races in 2009 and 2010. These epic gains happened primarily because independents voted Republican. In 2010, 56% of independents voted for GOP congressional candidates, up from 43% in 2008 and 39% in 2006. Today, independents look more like Republicans than Democrats, especially when it comes to health care. In a new Crossroads GPS health-care policy survey conducted in 10

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Reply 1 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 9/19/2013 8:04:23 AM     (No. 9527192)

If he is right about anything, it is pure coincidence.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: desertcowboy, 9/19/2013 8:11:27 AM     (No. 9527207)

I don´t know how someone can survive in life with as little courage as Karl Rove apparently has. People have short memories and if the Gov´t shuts down, and that prevents obamacare from going active, in the long run voters will agree. This isn´t an election year. Karl the rino wouldn´t know a good idea if it bit him in the ___.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: ruready?, 9/19/2013 8:12:33 AM     (No. 9527209)

Karl would have nixed Normandy. He´s got the long term view of a lofo.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: jsanders, 9/19/2013 8:16:04 AM     (No. 9527213)

The problem with all this analysis by GOP "experts" is the assumption that independent voters will flock back to the Democrat side if the Republicans show one iota of backbone and principle.

Voters are longing for a party that does what it says and and actually listens to their constituents to do what is right for the country.

Today´s GOP has unfortunately forgotten the lessons of RR.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: zephyrgirl, 9/19/2013 8:19:41 AM     (No. 9527220)

This coming from the man whose chosen candidates lost EVERY election in 2012.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Tallgrass Palms, 9/19/2013 8:20:00 AM     (No. 9527221)

This guy is a whiz at quoting statistics (no one checks to see if they are accurate) yet he doesn´t seem to connect them to any coherent strategy except "let´s go along to get along". Senators Mike Lee and Ted Cruz laid out the case for defunding in a logical, clear manner last night because most people in this country don´t want this bad law. Why not use every tool in the kit to get rid of it? Rove has become a charter member of the McCain/Graham cabal.....who pays any attention to them anymore?

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Fiesta del sol, 9/19/2013 8:23:40 AM     (No. 9527228)

And of course, Rove just happens to mention HIS firm in the first paragraph!

Has Rove not seen the polls showing Obamacare´s astonishing unpopularity? Sheesh. Seriously, I am tired of acting afraid. Our country is so far gone, if we´re going to go down, we might as well go down fighting. Why not take a chance?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: WAN2, 9/19/2013 8:24:05 AM     (No. 9527229)

Time he folds his little white board and makes an honest living.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Malia2012, 9/19/2013 8:24:18 AM     (No. 9527230)

He´s never right. Go away, Karl. Please, just go away!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: spincut, 9/19/2013 8:26:16 AM     (No. 9527236)

Back to the zoo, RINO

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Reply 11 - Posted by: formerNYer, 9/19/2013 8:31:19 AM     (No. 9527242)

Mr. "can´t we all get a long" failed to protect GWB from the vicious and uncalled for attack from the demcraps and their allies in the media.

Go away Karl, your advice and judgements are no longer needed. You made a enough money go retire & play some golf or go fishing.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Bubbasuncle, 9/19/2013 8:32:15 AM     (No. 9527243)

We are supposed to listen to this man because?
Remember folks, this is the person that along the MSM Media and the Left slam GW for years with the "Mission Accomplished" photo. He (along with many of us here)knew the banner was placed there by the Navy and referred to the ship´s mission. But his sage advice was not to counter or explain. Seems like he´s working for the wrong side to me.

As our Brit friends say: Get stuffed Carl.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: MattMusson, 9/19/2013 8:49:00 AM     (No. 9527266)

It is 2 years too late to Defund!
Americans have already lost their healthcare.

If ObamaCare is defunded now - it will let the Liberals off the hook for the mess they have made.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: ru4us, 9/19/2013 8:52:03 AM     (No. 9527272)

Political strategists are the postmodern snake oil salesmen.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 9/19/2013 8:56:22 AM     (No. 9527278)

In 2012, Republicans lost a must-win presidential election against the worst president in U.S. history. This epic loss happened primarily because Republicans listened to people like Karl Rove.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: MissMolly, 9/19/2013 8:59:03 AM     (No. 9527281)

Yes, #13. But, if some feel Karl Rove has let us down in the past, others feel Cruz is leading us over a cliff now. Of course, Cruz will step aside at the last minute. We die, but he has boosted his image.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Axeman, 9/19/2013 9:10:38 AM     (No. 9527290)

If you are not fighting against those who are destroying our country, you are assisting them, Karl.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: noparallel, 9/19/2013 9:24:18 AM     (No. 9527310)

If Carly is against, I´m for.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: tc1969, 9/19/2013 9:39:51 AM     (No. 9527333)

This is the guy who gave us the "compassionate conservative" label and let the Democrats verbally beat up on GWB for 4+ years without response. A real "architect"!

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Reply 20 - Posted by: mc squared, 9/19/2013 9:49:33 AM     (No. 9527356)

OP: When has Rove been right? Certainly not in the last 7 or 8 years.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: lamerican, 9/19/2013 10:12:38 AM     (No. 9527396)

So if I´m following Rove´s logic, the Republicans should not bother using their constitutional mechanism and *responsibility* to stop the executive branch from doing something stupid, because the senate democrats will shoot their own face off to spite their nose?

So according to Rove, we should let stupidity determine congressional strategy.

I think the past 8 years have confirmed that doesn´t work.


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Reply 22 - Posted by: stablemoney, 9/19/2013 10:18:02 AM     (No. 9527401)

Has anyone ever heard Rove criticize a Democrat strategy? I have not.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: hamrman, 9/19/2013 10:49:26 AM     (No. 9527450)

Karl who?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 9/19/2013 10:50:12 AM     (No. 9527452)

A few nights ago we watched the movie "McLintock" (not to be confused with our dear Ldot poster). Whenever Agar the Indian Agent (Stother Martin) began to babble about his government authority all the good guys would ignore him and just walk away.

Karl Rove, the Marxists in the White House and congress, and the spineless RINO enablers are all Indian Agent Agar. Scoff and walk away.

The hardy and independent people that made America exeptional did so by not caring what those "in charge" had to say. They did what they believed right for themselves and their families, and buffoon politicians and bureaucrats be damned. Watch "McLintock" again and adopt the attitudes needed to really fight the stupidity and wrongheadedness of the anti-Americans who think they can run our lives.

P.S. Also note how "GW" handled his haridan proto-feminist "Katherine".

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Reply 25 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 9/19/2013 11:07:44 AM     (No. 9527473)

@OP: Don`t listen to the voices inside your head.....

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Reply 26 - Posted by: reilly, 9/19/2013 11:19:42 AM     (No. 9527487)


Obama said yesterday that "raising the debt ceiling, which has been done over a hundred times, does not increase our debt" and Rove crafts a surrender piece today?
Please go away Karl.


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Reply 27 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 9/19/2013 12:09:49 PM     (No. 9527572)

Facts and numbers are stubborn things.
Rove lives in the real world, not the shabby fantasy fundraising land of Cruz and DeMint.
Rove echoed Cruz who actually admitted yesterday
that " Harry Reid will no doubt try to strip the defund language
from the continuing resolution,
and right now he likely has the votes to do so," Cruz said in a statement. "
No doubt ? Of course he will.
Reid has always had the votes to strip out defunding from the CR and send it back to the House.
And Cruz knew it.
Cruz angered a lot of House Republicans yesterday by waving " the white flag of defeat " as Congressman
Sean Duffy tweeted.
This whole Defund movement was a scam from the beginning because even Cruz knew the majority Democrat Senate and
Obama would never defund Obamacare.
As Rove points out-" After all, avoiding a shutdown would require, first, at least five Senate Democrats voting to defund ObamaCare.
But not a single Senate Democrat says he´ll do that, .."
Most importantly if in some fantasy ,
5 Senate Democrats voted to defund
-to override Obama´s veto of any defunding -it would take 53 House Democrats
and 21 Senate Democrats voting with Republicans to override his veto.
As Rove writes " No sentient being believes that will happen."
Cruz and DeMint ( and Levin and
Limbaugh and Hannity ) knew from the beginning that defunding never had a chance because
of the 10 seat Democrat majority in the Senate
and the need for 66 Senate votes
( Republicans only have 45 Senate seats ) to override Obama´s veto.
The ethically challenged Cruz and DeMint just played the base for donations
and email addresses and created this giant mess which will only boomerang on Republicans
when the government shuts down.
Obama and the Democrats are enjoying this Cruz / DeMint engineered debacle.


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Reply 28 - Posted by: mermer, 9/19/2013 12:13:55 PM     (No. 9527577)

If obamacare is as bad as people think - that will enough to destroy the democrats. Rove is right on this one. Just because you dislike somebody doesn´t mean they are always wrong.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: oh-heck, 9/19/2013 12:19:19 PM     (No. 9527589)

Good golly Miss Molly I think you are falsely impugning the integrity of Ted Cruz. First you have to believe there is actually a cliff based on reports from the Dems and the MSM. These are the same folks who told you it was silly to resist gun control. And then you have to believe that he will stop as he approaches the edge to see whether its a cliff or a step. I don´t see any reason to suspect that and would also suggest his father would be right behind him to push him if he falters.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: olcap, 9/19/2013 12:21:52 PM     (No. 9527596)

Turdblossom, his numbers and his boring self should check into a roach motel.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: redgrains, 9/19/2013 12:30:27 PM     (No. 9527607)

Rove is making / has made the Republican party into a permanent minority party. Rove´s positions and those who support his positions--RINOS ALL, are THE problem.
We can defeat our Democratic enemies but it is much harder to defeat the enemy within--ie KARL ROVE.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: absalom, 9/19/2013 12:53:13 PM     (No. 9527641)

A broken clock is right twice a day. That´s 2x in 1440 minutes or .139%, way above Rove´s batting average. What a ridiculous weenie.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: MissMolly, 9/19/2013 1:07:13 PM     (No. 9527669)

"falsely impugning Ted Cruz"? He´s already stepped back from the edge of the cliff, and as #28 so eloquently describes, Cruz knew the cliff edge was looming and never intended to fight this battle in the Senate. The sad thing is that many admired and cheered the leading they fight Cruz to be heading. It turns out, his admirers have been had. Cruz was cynically seeking personal creds.

Whether or not anyone cares for Karl Rove, I don´t see a flaw in today´s column´s argument.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: MissMolly, 9/19/2013 1:22:37 PM     (No. 9527694)

Sorry. That should say "cheered the fight Cruz seemed to be heading".

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Reply 35 - Posted by: dman, 9/19/2013 1:36:59 PM     (No. 9527718)

We need a lecture from Rove about "self-defeating" like we needed a lecture from Putin about democracy.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: sherlock, 9/19/2013 1:38:46 PM     (No. 9527722)

I hate maggots, therefore i dislike Karl Rove.
His "hush mouth tone" during the Bush years, turned me against them all! if that wasen`t Party sealed it... can`t stand to look at the SOB.


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Reply 37 - Posted by: sherlock, 9/19/2013 1:43:37 PM     (No. 9527729)

Something happened to some of my words! I saw these words typed out on the post (before) I posted (really)his hate for Sarah Palin and the Tea Party sealed it.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Desert Fox, 9/19/2013 6:20:30 PM     (No. 9528104)

Tokyo Rove has LOST every election since 2008. His resident Tokyo Rovettes not only suffer from PDS but now have CDS added to their Dire Mental Medical Conditions.

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Daily Caller, by Vince Coglianese    Original Article
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The White House is going to war with another fox — and this time, it’s personal. The Wall Street Journal reports that a red fox has been causing chaos around the White House, tripping security alarms, digging up Michelle’s garden and distracting the president from his duties. The Secret Service won’t give any details about how often the fox trips the White House’s obviously sophisticated security alarms, but rest assured, officials say, they’re watching. President Obama was apparently “stunned” to see the fox roaming freely down the oft-photographed White House colonnade, home to the world’s shortest, but most dramatic, outdoor strolls. The bushy-tailed visitor

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

Illinois Dems to offer $100 million in
taxpayer money to lure Obama library site

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/18/2014 9:15:50 AM     Post Reply
First, the good news: We are close enough to the end of the Obama presidency for his crowd to talk about a presidential library. Now, the bad news: Obama´s retirement is still 1,008 days distant. Plenty of time though to round up the dough to build it somewhere. Figure they need Solyndra-style money, at least $500 million. The last two presidents – Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- built their legacy edifices totally with private money. [Snip] However, Obama supporters have a different take. They think taxpayers should put up $100 million in public money for Obama´s library.

Every Media Outlet: Hillary
Grandkid the Most Consequential
Baby Since Jesus

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Mediaite, by Tina Nguyen    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 10:34:40 AM     Post Reply
Less than 16 hours after Chelsea Clinton announced she was pregnant, a lot of major news outlets started staring into the crystal ball of Chelsea’s womb, wondering what this currently floating zygotic multicellular being meant for the prospects of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, which is also a floating, zygotic, multicellular being. Their answer: The immaculately conceived Clinton child could mean everything. And no, it’s not just the fact that having a grandchild could be personally fulfilling to Hillary and Bill (mazel tov, by the way), or that a cute baby would be a sweet cherry on top of Hillary’s already

Those ‘rogue’ agents
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New York Post, by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:37:07 AM     Post Reply
Remember when Lois Lerner, in answering a planted question at an American Bar Association conference, admitted the IRS had targeted conservative groups but tried to pass it off as the work of rogue agents — “our line people in Cincinnati”? Today we know there were indeed federal agents involved. But they weren’t rogue, and they weren’t confined to IRS workers in Cincinnati. Thanks to a Freedom of Information request by Judicial Watch, we now have an e-mail Lerner sent to colleagues noting the Department of Justice was looking into criminal prosecutions of these tax-exempt groups. We know something else, too. These investigations

Harry Reid Doubles Down on Bundy
Ranch: ´If They´re Patriots, We´re
in Big Trouble´

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Breitbart Big Government, by Kerry Picket    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 9:39:40 PM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Friday stood by his statement regarding embattled Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, saying on KSNV’s What’s Your Point?, “If anyone thinks by any figment of their imagination that what happened up there last week was just people rallying to somebody that was oppressed, 600 people came in armed. They had practiced. They had maneuvered.” Reid continued, “They knew what they were doing. They set up snipers in strategic locations with sniper rifles. They had assault weapons. They had automatic weapons. And they boasted about the fact that they put women and children, in fact one

Glen Campbell has been
moved into a facility

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People Magazine, by Gilliam Telling    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 4/17/2014 6:58:48 PM     Post Reply
Glen Campbell has been suffering from Alzheimer´s for over three years, but the Grammy-winning singer, 78, has recently moved into a facility, PEOPLE has confirmed. "He was moved to an Alzhemier´s facility last week," says a family friend. "I´m not sure what the permanent plan is for him yet. We´ll know more next week." The "Rhinestone Cowboy" crooner first opened up about having Alzheimer´s to PEOPLE in an exclusive 2011 interview. Campbell and his fourth wife, Kim Woolen, decided to go public with the news because Campbell hoped to embark on a final farewell live tour. The couple wanted his


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