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The Myth of Red State Welfare
American Thinker, by Sierra Rayne

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Posted By:magnante, 9/17/2013 6:29:10 PM

During the last few years, a key liberal talking point has been "red state welfare." The argument is that the states that get more from the federal government than they pay in taxes tend to be red states, whereas the states that give more to the federal government than they pay in taxes tend to be blue states. This "red state welfare" hypothesis falls completely apart when we look at the data. (snip)Fascinating storyline the liberals tried to construct. Too bad it is entirely false.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Coy860, 9/17/2013 6:37:01 PM     (No. 9525195)

People who don´t pay Federal income tax should not get to vote in Federal elections.


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Reply 2 - Posted by: Bohallx, 9/17/2013 7:17:43 PM     (No. 9525250)

The federal income tax system is an antiquted and inefficient way to provide money to run the gub´mnt.

The sooner we get rid of this piece of class warfare the better off we´ll all be.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Envirodude, 9/17/2013 7:20:50 PM     (No. 9525255)

Blue cities in blue counties in red states. Why is this so hard to understand?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: LouBear, 9/17/2013 7:43:10 PM     (No. 9525277)

This article is semi-interesting, but it would be much more useful to know what is being counted as ´welfare´ or money flowing into a state. Does it include money that goes to military bases or to VA hospitals? How about money for interstate highways that comes from federal tax money. And what about what the feds control such as huge swaths of federal land. Until those kinds of questions are answered. the entire thing is meaningless.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: hot coffee, 9/17/2013 8:10:45 PM     (No. 9525305)

#4 has it right. Military bases are concentrated in the Deep South and Texas (and in fairness, the People´s Republic of California). That´s a big reason why federal moneys are going to many Red States.

Lots of Blue Staters like to use this stupid argument about "Red State Welfare", when in fact their lazy, irresponsible Blue State culture is destroying this country.

All of the economic growth in this country is from Red States. Red Staters are far more charitable than Blue Staters--that´s a FACT (and no, paying taxes is NOT a charitable contribution). The armed forces protecting all Americans are overwelmingly from Red States. All of the cultural decay in the USA is from the Blue Staters.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: jond, 9/17/2013 8:28:44 PM     (No. 9525334)

One might also look at the effect of federal regulations on the flow of cash between states.

During the oil shock of the 1970s, the feds decided that oil and gas entered interstate commerce as soon as they came out of the ground even if they were delivered to pipelines that never left the state. So energy producers have been subsidizing energy consumers since then.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: beancounter, 9/17/2013 9:43:49 PM     (No. 9525406)

#4 is on the right track. If you look at the Tax Foundation´s analysis you´ll see they adjust for "economic incidence" when it comes to taxes. For example, Alaska pays a lot of taxes on oil extraction, but it is not counted as tax revenue from Alaska because they assume that tax will be passed on to consumers in all states.

However, they don´t do the same thing for federal spending. Do only Southern states benefit from the military bases in those states? Do only farm states benefit from farm subsidies or are they passed along to consumers in all states?

What about New Yorkers or Californians who retire to red states and begin collecting Social Security and Medicare?

The data is heavily cooked and it´s cooked in a very biased manner.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 9/18/2013 3:00:46 AM     (No. 9525572)

#5, correct about the military bases. A while back, idiots led the fight against a Navy homeport on Staten Island.

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