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ObamaCare and the Way of the Whig
Red State, by Diary

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Posted By:tisHimself, 9/17/2013 9:48:48 AM

The tendency of “Conservative” institutions to gutlessly defend a big-government statis-quo program like ObamaCare can often leave much to be desired. It’s like sending up The Bat Signal and having Ben Afflek respond. It’s like watching The Washington Redskins’ Defense attempt to stop a NFL offense from putting up 30+ points. At times I’m left thinking that National Review could shorten their name a wee-tad for the sake of brevity, and continue peddling boilerplate Leftism under the masthead “The Nation.” Give or take an occasional copyright infringement suit, I’m not sure readers of this NRO article by Avik Roy would

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Reply 1 - Posted by: jimmiet, 9/17/2013 10:07:06 AM     (No. 9524358)

There are so few conservatives in DC they meet in Chevy Volts. The $$$ flows in Washington because of the proximity to power. They could gives a rats patoot about you and I. We´re just the unwashed and we´re outnumbered by the bought and paid for.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 9/17/2013 10:52:45 AM     (No. 9524476)

I agree with this article. If the Republicans try and fail, that is one thing, if they do not even try I have no reason to waste the gas to drive to the polls 2014 or 2016.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: dman, 9/17/2013 11:15:17 AM     (No. 9524502)

Amen to Repair_Man_Jack and posters above.

#2: Go to the polls, if only to cast a protest vote. If a new conservative party fails to come together and consolidate the splinter parties, vote for one of the smaller conservative parties: Libertarian, Constitutional, Conservative, or whatever. It is too important to not have your vote count. We see how the Establishment is playing the 2012 results, blaming conservatives for staying home. Casting an active protest vote would counter that.

For all the craziness and charts of the Li´l General: Perot at least got their attention in 1992, and might have won had he not "flaked out" on us. With a more stable, vetted candidate willing to finish the game, the results in 1992 demonstrated that victory is possible. The Establishment, of course, will say and do anything to convince us not to believe that.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Kerryman, 9/17/2013 11:22:51 AM     (No. 9524517)

I had a two hour one on one lunch with my Congressman´s Chief of Staff yesterday. The Congressman is in leadership. I am part of a strong Texas Tea Party. I told them that at a time when you need a "ground game", you are turning your backs on the ground troops who will do it.

Our Tea Party has run over both the establishment Republicans and the Chamber of Commerce Republicans with our ground game. They fight like Carl Rove with slick messaging, ads. and maiings. We identify and target our voters and get them to the polls by door to door and phone banks. Our judgeent on Candidates is respected and why we got the time with the Chief of Staff.

They are gazing into the maw of irrelevance and are starting to realize it.

We are looking at Levin´s Article V solution as a direction for our mvement, winning smaller races at the State level through the ground game.

After 37 years, I declined to renew my National Review subscription as they are now Beltway Insiders more than keepers of the Conservative Flame.

Semper Fi

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Reply 5 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 9/17/2013 11:32:09 AM     (No. 9524532)

# 4 Does the Republican leadership read forums like this one?

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Reply 6 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 9/17/2013 11:38:46 AM     (No. 9524544)

Can anyone here lay out a politically doable legislative strategy for actually defunding Obamacare, while keeping everything else going and leaving the Democrat/Media complex no avenue for destructive demagoguery?

Does the writer understand that the New Deal and Great Society programs were enacted with overwhelming popular support, leaving today´s conservatives with no choice but to push for reforms rather than repeal?

Has the writer ever known anyone whose sole means of support was his or her Social Security check? I´ve been acquainted with many such people.

Does the OP believe there is some great untapped constituency out there yearning to return to the 1920´s? If so, he is mistaken.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: tisHimself, 9/17/2013 11:47:46 AM     (No. 9524560)

The essence of big government New Deal republicanism, the Bushes, the Rockfellers, the Romneys. Their biggest fear is democratic demagoguery, the enemy is Reagan republicans. They forget or do not know how much was gained in 1994 by Gingrich.
Nobody wishes to starve Grandma. At the same time, some recognize that the go along to get along route will allow you to save face with your NPR listening friends, but will result in Grandma facing a death panel in the not too distant future.

Own that.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 9/17/2013 11:52:20 AM     (No. 9524570)

Unlike the FDR reforms obamacare does not have public support. If the house passes a CR which funds the government with the exception of obamacare (BTW the house dems then have to decide if they will fall on their swords for obamacare of give their Republican opponents an issue in the 2014 election), it then goes to the senate. Up to this point dingy harry could ignore the House´s efforts, not this time, even if harry does not bring the House bill up and passes his own CR the senate dems have to go on record supporting a very unpopular program. Once it goes to conference the dems will have a hard time not supporting at least a year postponement for the individual mandate as Corporations and Congress already have carve outs.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 9/17/2013 12:21:41 PM     (No. 9524607)

#7, I AM Grandpa, and have as much interest as anyone else in seeing ObamaCare destroyed. I just don´t see a way to permanently derail it and don´t trust the polls. If the Dems were going to suffer politically for supporting OCare the 2012 election results would have been different.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Kerryman, 9/17/2013 12:58:17 PM     (No. 9524679)

#6 My thoughts:

I am sure if you have heard of a rent strike. If not, it is where tenants refuse to pay their rent to the landlord but put the funds in escrow until deficiencies are corrected, at which time the funds are released.

In this case, you would fund Obamacare but not release the funds until all the garbage comes out. For instance:

1.The individual mandate is suspended until all others are required to participate.

2.Verification of entitlement to a government subsidy (Fraud Protection).

3.Elimination of Executive waivers to favored individuals and groups including government staff, Unions, etc, etc.

4.Preservation of the Conscientious Religious Objectors including business owners.

5. Elimination of the IRS asthe enforcing agency.

I am sure you can add elimination of a myriad of special deals like the ”Cornhusker Kickback” , the “Louisiana Purchase”, etc, etc.

Finally, I would simultaneously put forth the Republican answer to the “Pre-existing Condition” problem which plays well but in the whole scheme of things is no reason to blow up Healthcare for 250,000,000 Americans.


“L’audace, L’audace, toujours L’audace” (Frederick the Great, Napoleon and Patton)
"Audacity, audacity, always audacity." a famous phrase encouraging bold courage in the face of great challenge. it means never give up the initiative to your enemy. An audacious and bold commander is preferable to a plodding one.

Semper Fi

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Reply 11 - Posted by: absalom, 9/17/2013 1:44:51 PM     (No. 9524749)

Audacity indeed, one of the prime attributes of transformational leadership. But what is offered? Why caution lest someone take offence. Lucius Accius thundered from the Roman Senate, "Let them (Carthage) hate, so long as they fear." Who fears the feckless and inept R clowns???
In 1776 our American Tories offered the same caution bromide because ´revolt would anger George III.´ Of course when the going got tough, this gang hightailed it to Canada. How predictable. The GOP, a fossil, is in its current state because fear and its twin, cowardice, are its ruling attributes. Long past time for a second party to compete w/our current Janus duopoly.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Kerryman, 9/17/2013 3:09:22 PM     (No. 9524894)

The Key here is to make the President shut the Government down over issues in Obamacare that the people hate and poll 80% against. To wit:

1. IRS
2. Special Deals for the politically connected.
3. Having Congress live by the Law they passed.
4. Non-verification of eligibility for subsidies. (Fraud)
5. Plus, plus, plus.(Including some hostages to surrender).

You get the picture. This gives Cruz, Lee et al time to win the argument. At worst, it delays it till after the election while our side is scoring points. You have to reopen the law to change the IRS and other changes. Once the law is reopened, new ball game!

Semper Fi

Semper Fi

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Kerryman, 11/26/2013 6:16:18 AM     (No. 9629572)

Funny looking back 60+ Days.

When just like at Cowpens the militia, in this case the non-staunch Beltway Republican Politicians fired their two volleys and ran, our stalwarts, Cruz, Lee, Paul & Rubio continued to stand their ground. They left the indelible impression of how bad they thought the Law was and by inference this has inured to the benefit of the Republican Party. Why even John McCain now stands in his bunker yelling, "Me too!" We now hold the high ground and the enemy are not only withering before us, some are coming over to our side.

I told my Tea Party after the "Surrender Monkeys" got their way that they should take heart that in 30 days few would remember the shutdown because so few were impacted. It was a non-event. However, shortly cancellations would start to arrive and bills and deductibles would see large increases as the FRAUD of "If you like your plan...PERIOD" is exposed. Bill Whittle says it in this "Afterburner":


I would like to pay Mr. Whittle the ultimate compliment in that he as the "Touch of Reagan" on being able to reach the average person with his essays. President Reagan learned that giving speeches throughout the GE System.

Take heart all. Those cancellations, bills and deductibles will build over the next year. I suggest you buy some popcorn, pop it and watch the show unfold.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Kerryman, 11/26/2013 6:32:48 AM     (No. 9629585)

By the way. I am a political refugee living in Texas having moved from the NY/NJ Area. I am suggesting that my old friends back there get involved and fight. All you Blue Staters. Go to www.texaspatriotspac.com and see what you too can do with some determination and organization. If you want help, write us. We´ll get you started. We started with two women putting out some yard signs for a rally on April 15th 2009. They expected 200 people, 5,000 showed up. I was not one of them as I was at the Alamo with Glenn Beck. However, when I got back, I found them, enlisted and now we are a force in Texas Politics because we are effective though we still have to scratch our way to get by. If you know any Conservative Billionaires, send them to us. We still pass the hat at weekly meetings.

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