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The Right Vote
Weekly Standard, by William Kristol

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Posted By:Fiesta del sol, 9/6/2013 7:55:57 AM

The statesmanlike case for voting Yes on the congressional resolution to use force against the Assad regime has been made widely and well by conservative foreign policy thinkers. At the end, the case boils down to this: As a policy matter, a Yes vote may be problematic in all kinds of ways. But a No vote would likely be disastrous for the nation in very clear ways. Statesmanship requires choosing the problematic over the disastrous. It’s true that Republicans on the Hill lack confidence in President Obama’s execution of the military action they are being asked to vote to authorize.

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Kristol was one of the clowns who told us the Arab Spring was awesome.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: StormCnter, 9/6/2013 8:09:27 AM     (No. 9508067)

Bill Kristol is no "clown", but his judgement is questionable from time to time. This is one of those times.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 9/6/2013 8:13:21 AM     (No. 9508073)

William Kristol is seldom correct in his analylitical prognostications and he is wrong this time, too.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 9/6/2013 8:15:25 AM     (No. 9508077)

Nothing like a (made-up) crisis to separate the wheat from the chaff. Kristol is the chaff.

Saying no would not be disastrous, it would actually show the world two things:

1) We still have adults willing to run the country, despite what our immature leader wants.
2) We are not their Mommy, and will not take on their fights while they sit back and cheer from behind.

If the rest of the world wants Assad attacked, let them lead the effort for once.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: artman1746, 9/6/2013 8:15:26 AM     (No. 9508078)

Actions like this depend upon the trust of the American people in their president in that over his term he has shown that he can be trusted to do what is in the best interest of the country.

This president has proven to be a shameless liar on every front using the ignorance of the people to hoodwink them into a leftist agenda proven throughout recent history to be damaging to the country and hiding behind his skin color.

It matters not whether a liar is black or white. He is not deserving of our trust whether the decision proves to be right or wrong.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Attila DiMedici, 9/6/2013 8:15:31 AM     (No. 9508079)

I am sorry, but Bill Kristol (and everyone else) has failed to make the case that a "Yes" vote will be any less disastrous for the nation than a "No" vote. To me it seems like there is a significant chance that a "Yes" vote will be significantly more disastrous for this nation than a "No" vote AND I see no reason to believe that the best case scenario result from a "Yes" vote (let alone the most likely scenario) is any better for the country than the most likely scenario from a "No" vote.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 9/6/2013 8:16:16 AM     (No. 9508081)

The "Greater Good" is served by rubbing Barky´s nose in this steaming pile of foolishness and thereby helping to ensure that he is politically wounded to the core as we take back the Senate next year.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: tulipwood, 9/6/2013 8:16:35 AM     (No. 9508082)

Billy makes his daddy proud.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Keenochka, 9/6/2013 8:17:24 AM     (No. 9508083)

No. Following this lazy, incompetent, self-regarding Commander in Chief as he commandeers "his" military into WWIII on the side of Al Qaida, all because he can´t think and chew gum at the same time would be dereliction of Congressional duty.

It´s too late to worry about whether the world respects him -- or us. He´s a serial liar, and we elected him twice. Our first priority as a nation has to be to survive until we can send him packing.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: jackson, 9/6/2013 8:19:14 AM     (No. 9508087)

Like John "We´re all Georgians now" McCain has never found a war he didn´t want to fight. Correction. Didn´t want others, your sons and mine, to fight.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: lakerman1, 9/6/2013 8:19:48 AM     (No. 9508088)

Barack spent 800 million dollars to bomb Libya, and kill Khadaffi, because Khadaffi was being mean to his people. How did that work out?
What is the expected outcome of firing some missiles at Syria?? Hillary said Assad was a reformer.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Rinktum, 9/6/2013 8:23:35 AM     (No. 9508093)

If Mr. Kristol is right, statesmanship is about to start WWIII. Is this really the hill you are prepared to die on, Bill, or more succinctly, is this the hill you are willing to offer up our young men and women to die on? We have lost enough men and women to decisions that are ill conceived by people who never see combat nor do any of their children.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: GreatGreyhounds, 9/6/2013 8:26:58 AM     (No. 9508099)

It´s a Muslim problem, let the Saudis foot the bill in dollars and blood of their young men...

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Reply 13 - Posted by: lilo, 9/6/2013 8:31:51 AM     (No. 9508109)

What a crock.

The ONLY reason Obama wants the Pubbies on board is to have some one to blame when this fiasco waiting to happen does happen. A yes vote indicates to voters they really don´t matter. A yes vote says we, the so-called representatives of the people, chose to support Al Queda with our military, and damn the consequences. Supporting Al Queda, which has publicly declared war on America, the Great Satan, is nothing less than treasonous, and all who vote for it are traitors. And in all fairness to Obama, he did say he would come down on the side of the Muslims. He didn´t say that our military (nor "your" military) would help them.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Bubbasuncle, 9/6/2013 8:31:58 AM     (No. 9508110)

I agree with the OP. He is not only a clown he is the King of the Establishment Republican Clowns. FTA:"So Republicans will have to resist the temptation to weaken him when the cost is weakening the country. A party that for at least two generations has held high the banner of American leadership and strength should not cast a vote that obviously risks a damaging erosion of this country’s stature and credibility abroad"
Really Bill? Our stature and credibility abroad has been damaged almost beyond repair since this regime took office. This article is 937 words of crap proving just how out of touch the Republican Elite really are with conservative voters. Where were we two years ago when the Syrian uprising had Assad on his heals? I´ll tell you Bill, the regime was waiting until they had run enough weapons through Benghazi to supply the Brotherhood (or as Kerry refers to them "the moderate rebels"). FTA:"But at the end of the day, Republican primary voters are a pretty hawkish bunch." This sentence alone shows what a clown he is, has he not read of the huge numbers of calls coming into Congress ´melting´ the phone lines and countless emails. There is no strategic reason for us to be involved in the internal dispute of another country; especially when it will most certainty start a much larger conflict destabilize the entire Middle-East. It´s the likes of you and Tokyo Rove that has fractured the party, shutting out the Tea Party and allowing a second term for 0bama.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Keekng, 9/6/2013 8:34:22 AM     (No. 9508112)

Zippy sez, the war on terror is over and al qaida has been put out of business.
That said, why do anything in Syria?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: fleetusa, 9/6/2013 8:34:32 AM     (No. 9508113)

Given all the facts we know, I vote "Present".

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Reply 17 - Posted by: jinx, 9/6/2013 8:34:40 AM     (No. 9508114)

Congress needs to vote no and then impeach Obama for putting us in this position. He is leading the world into WW111 by making everyone take sides. Is this really what he wants?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Bubbasuncle, 9/6/2013 8:34:59 AM     (No. 9508116)

And Bill, one more thing. If you want a intelligent cogent conservative presentation, please read this:http://www.nationalreview.com/article/357748/clear-cut-stupidity-syria-jonah-goldberg

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Reply 19 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 9/6/2013 8:35:04 AM     (No. 9508118)

Sorry to repeat myself, but "Just Say, NO".

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Reply 20 - Posted by: terry_tr6, 9/6/2013 8:41:42 AM     (No. 9508128)

Bill, Sit down. Shut up.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Teleologicus, 9/6/2013 8:49:23 AM     (No. 9508139)

Muddle-headed, disappointing and alarming. One has a right to expect people like Kristol to exhibit better judgment than this. There is simply no plausible argument, here or elsewhere, that it is in the national interest of the U.S. to become unilaterally overtly involved in a foreign civil war between distasteful and anti-Western peoples. Kristol is actually using the effeminate "what will the world think of us" argument the Leftists invariably use. The only case being made for a U.S. attack on Syria is as a PR stunt. We should know by know that air power and missile strikes alone can never defeat or deter a significant, determined and well-armed adversary. It is a classic case of Clausewitz´ "reciprocals of force in warfare," even though in modern times the reciprocals are often asymmetric and therefore harder to deal with. If we hit a militarily inferior opponent without destroying their ability to resist, they will hit back somehow, using whatever means are within their power. The surest way to ensure a nerve gas attack on the U.S. is to attack but not utterly defeat an opponent armed with nerve gas. An attack upon Syria will energize and unify all violent Muslims at home and abroad and is certain to lead to reprisals everywhere.

Unless "the world" is willing to combine and work together to address the use of chemical agents in Syria, the U.S. should remain prudently aside and watch and wait for further developments. To barge into this mess like the proverbial bull in the china shop in the expectation of proving or showing something to enemies of the U.S. is an act of consummate folly. I am very disappointed in Bill Kristol and people of his caliber for supporting such dangerous and utterly unnecessary action.


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Reply 22 - Posted by: TruthAndJustice, 9/6/2013 8:59:58 AM     (No. 9508163)

Kristin can be counted on for one thing...to be absolutely WRONG!

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Reply 23 - Posted by: VAPMAN, 9/6/2013 9:03:18 AM     (No. 9508169)

The only place worth hitting is Iran´s nuclear sites, not Syria.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Whamdbambam, 9/6/2013 9:18:01 AM     (No. 9508194)

I´m sure Mr. Kristol is a very nice fellow. However, his opinions on this subject strike me as simply fatuous.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 9/6/2013 9:26:19 AM     (No. 9508211)

I´m still waiting for a smart Republican: Ensure the resolution fails due to overwhelming Democrat opposition. Split Obama from Democrats in Congress, force him to act unilaterally against his base´s wishes, and avoid putting any Republican fingerprints on Obama´s mess. All it would take is this: Have George W. Bush publicly endorse this war and explicitly invoke the Iraq precedent. Democrats oppose anything Bush does and would vote Obama´s resolution down in nothing flat.

Problem solved for Republicans.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Samoasam, 9/6/2013 9:28:53 AM     (No. 9508216)

Kristiol is a clown, moron, and idiot. He is as screwed up as McCain, or Obama. He is one example of the layers of incompetence saturating the Republican Party.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: otronome, 9/6/2013 9:33:08 AM     (No. 9508221)

The intellectual crew does not get the basic revulsion the right has with a strategy consisting of "bomb something until they stop mocking me."

Any idiot knows that if we wanted to take Assad out, he could begone within 24 hours - maybe to a hidy-hole first - but elimination is easy.

Our point of the lance is sharp and deadly. Our President doesn´t know how to wield the lance. We have watched for over a decade as our military has been asked to sacrifice and deal with ROE that promise prolonged conflict and American casualties while politicians have an end game of just bugging out and leaving billions of arms in the hands of enemies.

Have aplan to win and you will get support.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: bighambone, 9/6/2013 9:50:57 AM     (No. 9508254)

There are some in Washington, DC who have been sitting behind a desk all their lives who always vote for war anytime they get the chance. Of course you would never find those people, or their offspring, anyplace near any real battlefield.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Intentional, 9/6/2013 10:04:21 AM     (No. 9508275)

This is NOT about the credibility of incredulous politicians. Bill Kristol has been inside the Beltway too long. He thinks everything is about politics. But in the real world real things happen and real people die. A yes vote means that Obama will poke Syria militarily. For that, there will be consequences that Kristol and Obama, who are purely political animals, do not understand.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: stablemoney, 9/6/2013 10:11:49 AM     (No. 9508288)

I have no time for the problematic disastrous sophistry of Bill Kristol, or the vanities of Obama or Kerry. The democrats have drained our treasury and hallowed out our military. Now they want to use both for a fool´s errand in Syria.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: TrueBlueWfan, 9/6/2013 10:12:38 AM     (No. 9508293)

I think I would be for a military strike IF: We completely wiped out the dictator Assad AND all the radical islamists. BUT, I have learned over the last 12 years that politicians will never again let us WIN a war. It is always micromanaged with ridiculous rules of engagement and politically correct cultural touch-feely nonsense.

"Kill the bad guys" should be our mantra, but if we did that, there would probably be nobody left in the Middle East.

Vote NO!

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Reply 32 - Posted by: kampboyd, 9/6/2013 10:22:48 AM     (No. 9508317)

Unfortunately, most politicians and inside the beltway types are more concerned with who can be blamed (or getting re-elected) than they are in doing what is in the best interests of our country. This is usually how the libs work but should not be the mantra of conservatives.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: killerbee, 9/6/2013 11:02:45 AM     (No. 9508407)

Do you all remember when Clinton put thousands of troops right outside Iraq, preparing a strike? It was costly, it was aggressive and it was wholly ineffective as he pulled back at the last minute.

No disaster. The media covered for him and the can was kicked down the road to Bush who, even with its problems, handled engagement in Iraq far better than his predecessor could have.

The media will cover for Obama. He´s not respected on the world stage already, his backing off with any grace whatsoever will actually earn him a little back.



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Reply 34 - Posted by: dvc, 9/6/2013 1:43:38 PM     (No. 9508747)

There is no credible claim of an improvement in the situation that will be achieved by a limited military strike. It is likely that the rebels are worse than Assad.

We have two evil groups killing each other, neither are our friends - the best thing to do is stand clear and assist innocents to exit the combat zone. As evil men kill each other, good is done. Sun Tzu wrote several thousand years ago: "Never interfere with the enemy when he is destroying himself."

Obama is a childish narcissist that is angry that he has been disrespected. He deserves no respect, and gets it.


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Reply 35 - Posted by: StormCnter, 9/6/2013 3:01:52 PM     (No. 9508859)

#14/18- "shutting out the Tea Party"? Do you not remember that Bill Kristol was Sarah Palin´s first and loudest prominent cheerleading pundit?

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 12:35:28 PM     Post Reply
A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee´s "dishonorable side." According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves ´The Committee,´" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day." The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st. They added: "The

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

Illinois Dems to offer $100 million in
taxpayer money to lure Obama library site

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/18/2014 9:15:50 AM     Post Reply
First, the good news: We are close enough to the end of the Obama presidency for his crowd to talk about a presidential library. Now, the bad news: Obama´s retirement is still 1,008 days distant. Plenty of time though to round up the dough to build it somewhere. Figure they need Solyndra-style money, at least $500 million. The last two presidents – Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- built their legacy edifices totally with private money. [Snip] However, Obama supporters have a different take. They think taxpayers should put up $100 million in public money for Obama´s library.

Every Media Outlet: Hillary
Grandkid the Most Consequential
Baby Since Jesus

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Mediaite, by Tina Nguyen    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 10:34:40 AM     Post Reply
Less than 16 hours after Chelsea Clinton announced she was pregnant, a lot of major news outlets started staring into the crystal ball of Chelsea’s womb, wondering what this currently floating zygotic multicellular being meant for the prospects of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, which is also a floating, zygotic, multicellular being. Their answer: The immaculately conceived Clinton child could mean everything. And no, it’s not just the fact that having a grandchild could be personally fulfilling to Hillary and Bill (mazel tov, by the way), or that a cute baby would be a sweet cherry on top of Hillary’s already

Glen Campbell has been
moved into a facility

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People Magazine, by Gilliam Telling    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 4/17/2014 6:58:48 PM     Post Reply
Glen Campbell has been suffering from Alzheimer´s for over three years, but the Grammy-winning singer, 78, has recently moved into a facility, PEOPLE has confirmed. "He was moved to an Alzhemier´s facility last week," says a family friend. "I´m not sure what the permanent plan is for him yet. We´ll know more next week." The "Rhinestone Cowboy" crooner first opened up about having Alzheimer´s to PEOPLE in an exclusive 2011 interview. Campbell and his fourth wife, Kim Woolen, decided to go public with the news because Campbell hoped to embark on a final farewell live tour. The couple wanted his

Even Hillary Clinton Isn’t Sure What
We Should Like About Hillary Clinton

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PJ Media, by Stephen Kruiser    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:33:53 AM     Post Reply
The first step is admitting… It was a simple question to someone accustomed to much tougher ones: What was her proudest achievement as secretary of state? But for a moment, Hillary Rodham Clinton, appearing recently before a friendly audience at a women’s forum in Manhattan, seemed flustered.(Snip)So…no definitive successes and some clear-cut failures. And that’s the generous New York Times assessment. The Democrat fantasy story about Mrs. Clinton paints her as strong and accomplished on her own. In reality, this is a woman who is professionally defined almost entirely by two men in her life, both of whom happen to have

Those ‘rogue’ agents
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New York Post, by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:37:07 AM     Post Reply
Remember when Lois Lerner, in answering a planted question at an American Bar Association conference, admitted the IRS had targeted conservative groups but tried to pass it off as the work of rogue agents — “our line people in Cincinnati”? Today we know there were indeed federal agents involved. But they weren’t rogue, and they weren’t confined to IRS workers in Cincinnati. Thanks to a Freedom of Information request by Judicial Watch, we now have an e-mail Lerner sent to colleagues noting the Department of Justice was looking into criminal prosecutions of these tax-exempt groups. We know something else, too. These investigations


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